Hairy Kneel Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, NEON.KNEE said: I know we can't protect everybody...That's why i expect Granlund to be picked up... I'd rather lose Sbisa For some reason I think we will be in good shape. Some other rosters have too many players..We may even be able to trade for a stellar player at or before the deadline- who then might have to be protected over Sbisa or Grans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Just now, Hairy Kneel said: For some reason I think we will be in good shape. Some other rosters have too many players..We may even be able to trade for a stellar player at or before the deadline- who then might have to be protected over Sbisa or Grans. Yea I think the Canucks are in a good place as well...I doubt we lose one of our valued younger guys. Getting rid of Juice was a blessing, getting anything for him was a bonus. Anaheim has WAY tougher decisions than us. And if we lost Granlund or Sbisa, I'd be ok with it in the end ultimately. JB needs to flip Burrows and Tanev for as much as he can this year and he should get more praise tha he gets around here...He is doing a hell of a job with how bad a shape this team was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted November 27, 2016 Author Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 25/11/2016 at 3:33 PM, CanadianRugby said: Wow hissy fit much? I didn't say he has 0% chance at being the best offensive defenseman ever on Vancouver, I'm just asking what makes you think he can be one considering he's an undrafted rookie and isn't exactly lighting the league up. Is it really more ridiculous for me to question him being the BEST offensive D EVER in Vancouver than you claiming he could be one? I don't know the last rookie defenseman that's been on our 1st PP unit, maybe Aucoin or Ohlund? When's the last time this team has been so terrible that an undrafted rookie that's never scored more than 8 goals at any level has been good enough to be on their 1st PP unit? Don't worry, I'll wait. I like how you keep mentioning that he's undrafted like it provides any value to this conversation what so ever. I also like how you crap on his 8 goal season as if he didn't have 29 points in 43 games. His assists and games played (length of the college season) don't mean anything right? And the final thing that I like about your post is when I asked you when the last time we had a rookie defenseman on the 1st unit PP, you named our franchise scoring leader who's rookie season was NINETEEN years ago and Adrian Aucoin, who's rookie season was TWENTY ONE seasons ago. My...point...exactly. How you can't see Stetcher's offensive skill on the blue line compared to pretty much every rookie defenseman we've ever had is a mystery. Stetcher is an absolute stud and has been far and away our best offensive dman since his 1st game in training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 11 hours ago, Where'd Luongo? said: I'm a giant Tryamkin fan. GROOT!!! Groot! Guardians of the Galaxy reference....Awesome! I love it! Next time Patrick Kane is crossing the blue line I hope Tryamkin grows a branch and trips him on his ugly face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted November 27, 2016 Author Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 25/11/2016 at 3:13 PM, Hutton Wink said: There's no way this team can improve without getting top-3 picks. We need elite talent, and that means tanking. It's already been two whole years and Benning has utterly failed at this, trading all the picks away for old guys and scrubs. It really doesn't matter where we draft if we don't draft the right guy. Year after year we see elite players drafted outisde of the top 10 and outside of the 1st round. Sure, it would be nice to get a top 3 pick, but drafting is such a crapshoot. We need good scouts, combined with good luck. Neither of those are guaranteed just be picking top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 23/11/2016 at 10:44 PM, VIC_CITY said: Still too early too tell. JV is an unfinished project. We don't know the type of player he's going to be. Also, McCann was the main piece that brought us back Gudbranson. You're acting like JB drafted Patrik Stefan... At the end of the day some people just enjoy complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Edler Tanev Gudbranson Hutton Tryamkin Stretcher OJ (on the way) Trade Edler (if he waives) for a very good young forward and we still have a very young and very good D for the future. Edited. easier this way with less words. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 On November 23, 2016 at 10:28 PM, oldnews said: I just wish Benning would have gotten to work instead of slacking off in his first year at the draft here. We needed him to capitalize on those early picks and he really let us down. On November 25, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Hutton Wink said: There's no way this team can improve without getting top-3 picks. We need elite talent, and that means tanking. It's already been two whole years and Benning has utterly failed at this, trading all the picks away for old guys and scrubs. You guys know that if you don't make your sarcasm crystal clear, many on CDC take your post at face value, right? I did that once, and got plussed by several trolls/haters, which kind of annoyed me. I think those young Dmen have more value to the Canucks, due to their upside potential, than any other team would be willing to pay, since it is difficult to get full value for potential. As the tankers point out ad nauseam, you usually get a far better return trading a proven player in decline than you get for a promising young prospect with tons of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 23/11/2016 at 10:05 PM, Gike Millis said: Erik Gudbranson 24 Ben Hutton 23 Nikita Tryamkin 22 Chris Tanev 26 Troy Stretcher 22 ........ Alex Experience Elder 30 What are you getting at... It's a young man's league. The question is really if you think this group will develop and help the team contend. So why are we talking about value and trading them. Patience Cheers, GM It's a process, right Mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted November 27, 2016 Author Share Posted November 27, 2016 Stetcher just continues to impress. How he manages to hit the net with nearly every shot, it's pretty incredible. He's also gaining more and more confidence in his ability to skate himself out of trouble and rush the puck up the ice. The points aren't coming yet but man does he ever look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DADDYROCK Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Thank Goodness, We have this new young star TROY STECHER, he could be OUR Scott Niedermayer .(MULTI CUP WINNER). First year college find and he is getting more minutes than some of OUR VETERANS. A good BC boy as well. Such poise with the puck,we have found a real diamond in the rough here fans. We have to protect this kid from the goon squad,yeah I'm talking to you MARTIN. Keep it going TROY,I am very impressed.Very impressed indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 19 hours ago, CeeBee51 said: So it's ok to pay the sedins 200-300k per goal in the here and now but not Louie? I'm afraid i don't understand what you're getting at. Goals in the NHL cost X amount of dollars. Youngest players provide the most value per goal in general because they are on ELC's. Teams need goals. If the young guys can't score enough goals in the present it's not ok to sign older players to make up the difference? Guess we will have to agree to disagree it seems. 200 - 300 k? Right now Eriksson is around 500k per goal, so which is better? It could be much worse, it could be dollars per point, then it gets much, much worse when compared. Do you think with the Sedins gone and Eriksson at 35 (3 years) his production will go up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Bagues Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 20 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Edler Tanev Gudbranson Hutton Tryamkin Stretcher OJ (on the way) Trade Edler (if he waives) for a very good young forward and we still have a very young and very good D for the future. Edited. easier this way with less words. lol Edler hurt right now is not a terrible thing. I hope to see the big Russian paired with Stetcher until Tanev returns. Ideally Edler could be shipped out for whatever; though that means keeping Tanev, which other than hoping to swap him for scoring, I think Tanev is the kind of guy you win with moving forward. I don't see a Tanev replacement in our ranks right now; though without Edler there are options. Tanev Stetcher Groot Guddy Hutton Sbisa/Larsen/Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 On 25/11/2016 at 2:35 PM, CanadianRugby said: I'm sorry but what about Stetcher makes you think he's going to be the best offensive Canuck defenseman ever? 2 more points for Stetcher. You must not watch the games but you can't ignore the stats sheet. It was only a matter of time before he started getting more puck luck. The kid has only played 14 career NHL games. If he didn't start the year in Utica he'd have a serious shot at 30+ points this year. As a rookie! Sky's the limit for Stetcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectic Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 On 11/23/2016 at 10:05 PM, Gike Millis said: Erik Gudbranson 24 Ben Hutton 23 Nikita Tryamkin 22 Chris Tanev 26 Troy Stretcher 22 ........ Alex Experience Elder 30 What are you getting at... It's a young man's league. The question is really if you think this group will develop and help the team contend. So why are we talking about value and trading them. Patience Cheers, GM Gike Millis lol love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 On 2016-11-29 at 10:40 PM, VIC_CITY said: 2 more points for Stetcher. You must not watch the games but you can't ignore the stats sheet. It was only a matter of time before he started getting more puck luck. The kid has only played 14 career NHL games. If he didn't start the year in Utica he'd have a serious shot at 30+ points this year. As a rookie! Sky's the limit for Stetcher. Well if after 11 games you were ready to crown Stetcher as possibly the best offensive Canuck defenseman ever. Does that mean Virtanen's career is over because he hasn't succeeded in 2 seasons? A little quick to jump to conclusions no? BTW I didn't criticize Stetcher in any way, I just asked what makes you think that he's on his way to be the best ever. That's quite a bold statement after 11 games considering he had 1 goal. Werenski has 16 points in 21 games. I guess it's official in your books he's gonna be the best offensive defenseman the NHL has ever seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 12 hours ago, CanadianRugby said: Well if after 11 games you were ready to crown Stetcher as possibly the best offensive Canuck defenseman ever. Does that mean Virtanen's career is over because he hasn't succeeded in 2 seasons? A little quick to jump to conclusions no? BTW I didn't criticize Stetcher in any way, I just asked what makes you think that he's on his way to be the best ever. That's quite a bold statement after 11 games considering he had 1 goal. Werenski has 16 points in 21 games. I guess it's official in your books he's gonna be the best offensive defenseman the NHL has ever seen? Well I haven't seen him play, but based on his stats I would think it's safe to say he has a shot at being Columbus' best offensive dman. Those stats are unreal and that much more impressive given Werenski's age. I know you didn't criticize Stetcher but for those that have watched him clisely this year, it's clear to see that he's easily the most offensively skilled rookie defensemen that we've seen in perhaps 20 years. He may even be the most skilled we've ever seen as far as rookies are concerned. It's far too early to tell what the next 10+ years will look like but based on his play so far, I think it's clear that he has a shot at being one of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 I think we have an excellent defence in the making. It's already good, but will prove to get far better as our young guys continue to develop and Joulevi and possibly Subban reach the big leagues. As far as the worth of the young guys on our blueline, I don't see the point in even considering moving them. While extremely promising, their worth right now isn't nearly what most will be worth in 2-3 years. Stetcher, Hutton, and Tryamkin will all be players other GMs will be calling about. I think the only way you get rid of a young player now is if you don't believe they are likely to work out as expected, and all three will. It's simply far better to wait and see how they turn out than to get a substandard return. If anything, we would be better off moving the guys who've been in the league longer. Elder is the most obvious of a defenceman we can lose while getting a solid return. Even Tanev, if you must - though I've long been an advocate of keeping him. I'd say Sbisa, but he'd garner little in the way of a return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 On November 26, 2016 at 2:53 PM, TheGuardian_ said: Forsling, Clendening, half of the Kesler deal, Bonino and then the team had to draft a replacement for Forsling, so OJ. All for Sutter. Oh yeah, I forgot about that 2nd round draft pick as well. Overstating the trade value. Dropped a few spots in the draft, low second for a high 3rd, traded Clendening who was useless and Bones. OJ was not to replace Forsling!!! We already had Trymakin and Hutton, so JB seemed to undervalue Forsling. Mistake, maybe his biggest. Strecher was our Forsling replacement if you are looking for an equivalent. It was Forsling for Clendening. JB was all after middling 22-24 year old players. This was his worst trade in hindsight. He recovered by offloading Clendening in the Sutter deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 On 11/24/2016 at 2:05 PM, Gike Millis said: Erik Gudbranson 24 Ben Hutton 23 Nikita Tryamkin 22 Chris Tanev 26 Troy Stretcher 22 ........ Alex Experience Elder 30 What are you getting at... It's a young man's league. The question is really if you think this group will develop and help the team contend. So why are we talking about value and trading them. Patience Cheers, GM Don't forget Gustav Fors... Oh never mind #BenningTrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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