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57 minutes ago, Mustapha said:

 

Some of the apologetics I am reading on here makes me sick.

 

Just a few examples here:

 

- Murdered thousands of Cubans by firing squad without due process. 

- Murdered civilians who tried to escape the country,

- Persecuted gays, religious minorities and other 'undesirables' by placing them in forced labour camps.

 

These are not actions against the 'encroachment of the USA' or because of the Cold War. These are atrocities committed against his own people.

 

I find it so hilariously ironic that some of the same people who denigrate Donald Trump for supposedly being a 'fascist dictator' in waiting are actually defending Castro. Of course, Donald Trump was one of the few people to actually remind the public who Castro was when he died. 

 

I can understand why some would romanticize and make excuses for the guy. I mean, if I was a social justice Marxist idiot who hates the concepts of the free expression of ideas and basic liberalism, I would think Castro was a swell guy too. 

 

 

Like most revolutions, the victor turns just as bad as the murdering, corrupt regime they replace. People were celebrating when Batista was overthrown (Escaping with $300 million dollars may I add). It was Castro's switch to communism, and repression like most dictators. I see nothing in what Trudeau said that he praises the regime, or the system. He praises Castro's stance of being pro-Cuba, and the loss of the man. You can admire an adversary in his/her dedication to the country, but hate his politics or what they did. 

 

The right is saying folks are romanticizing, I see no evidence of that. I see more romanticizing and excuses for Trump. They go off an say how corrupt Clinton was, yet ignore the lawsuit Trump just lost on Trump University ripping regular people off, providing no real education or benefits (You would have been better off working in real estate part-time...). 

 

As the song says. "The parting on the left, is now parting on the right". 

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1 hour ago, Mustapha said:

 

Some of the apologetics I am reading on here makes me sick.

 

Just a few examples here:

 

- Murdered thousands of Cubans by firing squad without due process. 

- Murdered civilians who tried to escape the country,

- Persecuted gays, religious minorities and other 'undesirables' by placing them in forced labour camps.

 

These are not actions against the 'encroachment of the USA' or because of the Cold War. These are atrocities committed against his own people.

 

I find it so hilariously ironic that some of the same people who denigrate Donald Trump for supposedly being a 'fascist dictator' in waiting are actually defending Castro. Of course, Donald Trump was one of the few people to actually remind the public who Castro was when he died. 

 

I can understand why some would romanticize and make excuses for the guy. I mean, if I was a social justice Marxist idiot who hates the concepts of the free expression of ideas and basic liberalism, I would think Castro was a swell guy too. 

 

Familiar with the guys the old management propped up? 

 

Boy they were right upstanding gents weren't they 

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On 11/26/2016 at 11:25 AM, Ossi Vaananen said:

In case you guys missed it, here's Trudeau's softhearted response:

 

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/11/26/statement-prime-minister-canada-death-former-cuban-president-fidel-castro

 

 

It has since prompted #trudeaueulogies to trend on twitter:

 

 

Bahahahhaha. Oh Trudeau, you meathead. Pretty hard to romanticize a tyrant but he managed to. 

 

Yah what a terrible thing to do for a guy that showed so much respect for your father. Oh and happened to show the world you don't have to bend to the will of the US.

 

Its in such bad taste for the twitter-heads to jump on Trudeau over this, its not even funny. 

 

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8 hours ago, Mustapha said:

 

Some of the apologetics I am reading on here makes me sick.

 

Just a few examples here:

 

- Murdered thousands of Cubans by firing squad without due process. 

- Murdered civilians who tried to escape the country,

- Persecuted gays, religious minorities and other 'undesirables' by placing them in forced labour camps.

 

These are not actions against the 'encroachment of the USA' or because of the Cold War. These are atrocities committed against his own people.

 

I find it so hilariously ironic that some of the same people who denigrate Donald Trump for supposedly being a 'fascist dictator' in waiting are actually defending Castro. Of course, Donald Trump was one of the few people to actually remind the public who Castro was when he died. 

 

I can understand why some would romanticize and make excuses for the guy. I mean, if I was a social justice Marxist idiot who hates the concepts of the free expression of ideas and basic liberalism, I would think Castro was a swell guy too. 

 

Lot of those that have this romantic notion about him, are the ones that live far away from Cuba.

Going to vacation to Cuba does not give a true picture of how it is to live there.

 

Example, I hail from a very landscape pretty, historically old country, but war torn for centuries.

I laugh at all Canadians and Americans who after going on vacation there ask me "it's so pretty over there how come you don't go back"?

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

Lot of those that have this romantic notion about him, are the ones that live far away from Cuba.

Going to vacation to Cuba does not give a true picture of how it is to live there.

 

Example, I hail from a very landscape pretty, historically old country, but war torn for centuries.

I laugh at all Canadians and Americans who after going on vacation there ask me "it's so pretty over there how come you don't go back"?

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, Batista would have been way better right? How about Hussien who was supported by the US because Iraq fought Iran? And the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan who fought against the Soviets? The only ones romanticizing seems to be the Right Wingers.

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2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

 

Yeah, Batista would have been way better right? How about Hussien who was supported by the US because Iraq fought Iran? And the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan who fought against the Soviets? The only ones romanticizing seems to be the Right Wingers.

 

Its always amazing to me how many people are just fine with what the US does outside its borders, but Cuba is somehow supposed to be worse? Please. Keeping the trade restrictions going past 1989 was pretty much for spite. How much suffering did the US cause in Cuba, just to make some old senators happy and not lose a conservative vote on some bill or other? Trudeau acknowledged the good things that happened in Cuba. But I guess if you have 140 characters to play with there's no room for anything other than spew. Twitter is a symbol of the dumbing down of our society, you have to fit your thoughts onto a phone screen to get attention. 

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Was thinking a lot about what should I say to people who are offering words of sympathy and condolences for the dead man...

 

...and subsequently lived not for a SECOND in a regime of the so called "real socialism". With all the political repressions. Total censorsip. Secret police surveillance. Political executions. Sending people to the force labor in the uranium mines. Forced removal of the private property from the people. Denial of the education because of the improper political stances. Denial of the people to travel abroad. Shooting people on the borders when trying to escape FROM the country. Not talking about all the material aspects. Like...I wonder if their enlightened minds can even IMAGINE something like women desperately making the God damned sanitary pads from towels because the state was just unable to produce them in desired quantities?

 

NOT EVEN ONE SECOND!

 

I have. Fortunately, for just 12 years.

My parents have for 33 years.

My grandparents have for 41 years.

 

You simply don't know what are you talking about. Idealists from Canada. Progressive minds. Without any real experience of what the real socialism, the man represented, always ended in throughout the world. And always will. Give me a break.

 

"I was going to Cuba and it was so nice there..."

 

Oh my God.

 

"For what he did for his people..."

 

The man openly pressed Khruschev to preemptively use the WMDs in Oct 26, 1962 and hence accepted the certain wiping-out of the Cuban population...fortunately Khruschev and Kennedy were sane.

 

"...real leaders..."

 

And what? So were Hitler, Stalin, Mao...

 

And as much as it has no sense now...Castro, el Comandante, apart for what all you did and represented, then for the fact you supported the Warsaw Pact invasion of my country...if there is a hell, I wish you a nice stay there. All your comrades going from Lenin, Stalin, through Gottwald, to Jaruzelski, Hoenecker, Brezhnev, Ceausescu were wainting for you for a long, long time...

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2 hours ago, Daytona675R said:

Was thinking a lot about what should I say to people who are offering words of sympathy and condolences for the dead man...

 

...and subsequently lived not for a SECOND in a regime of the so called "real socialism". With all the political repressions. Total censorsip. Secret police surveillance. Political executions. Sending people to the force labor in the uranium mines. Forced removal of the private property from the people. Denial of the education because of the improper political stances. Denial of the people to travel abroad. Shooting people on the borders when trying to escape FROM the country. Not talking about all the material aspects. Like...I wonder if their enlightened minds can even IMAGINE something like women desperately making the God damned sanitary pads from towels because the state was just unable to produce them in desired quantities?

 

NOT EVEN ONE SECOND!

 

I have. Fortunately, for just 12 years.

My parents have for 33 years.

My grandparents have for 41 years.

 

You simply don't know what are you talking about. Idealists from Canada. Progressive minds. Without any real experience of what the real socialism, the man represented, always ended in throughout the world. And always will. Give me a break.

 

"I was going to Cuba and it was so nice there..."

 

Oh my God.

 

"For what he did for his people..."

 

The man openly pressed Khruschev to preemptively use the WMDs in Oct 26, 1962 and hence accepted the certain wiping-out of the Cuban population...fortunately Khruschev and Kennedy were sane.

 

"...real leaders..."

 

And what? So were Hitler, Stalin, Mao...

 

And as much as it has no sense now...Castro, el Comandante, apart for what all you did and represented, then for the fact you supported the Warsaw Pact invasion of my country...if there is a hell, I wish you a nice stay there. All your comrades going from Lenin, Stalin, through Gottwald, to Jaruzelski, Hoenecker, Brezhnev, Ceausescu were wainting for you for a long, long time...

Sorry

 

but where are you from?

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11 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

 

Yeah, Batista would have been way better right? How about Hussien who was supported by the US because Iraq fought Iran? And the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan who fought against the Soviets? The only ones romanticizing seems to be the Right Wingers.

Batista was a dictator and Hussein was a murderous despot.

I am not sure though how those guys that you mentioned have anything to do with Castro.

How do they make Cuban regime less guilty of murdering, imprisoning, torturing and exiling tens of thousands of its citizens?

 

Anytime someone says anything bad about small time dictators, left wingers come out pointing out how U.S has done worse things.

Does that kind of reasoning make Stalin less evil?

After all, that Austrian painter was way worse!

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, CBH1926 said:

Batista was a dictator and Hussein was a murderous despot.

I am not sure though how those guys that you mentioned have anything to do with Castro.

How do they make Cuban regime less guilty of murdering, imprisoning, torturing and exiling tens of thousands of its citizens?

 

Anytime someone says anything bad about small time dictators, left wingers come out pointing out how U.S has done worse things.

Does that kind of reasoning make Stalin less evil?

After all, that Austrian painter was way worse!

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe because I didn't read that he's romaticizing Castso, just offering his condolences, not praising his regime or politics. Yet the right paint it that way. 

 

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On 27/11/2016 at 0:33 PM, Warhippy said:

Familiar with the guys the old management propped up? 

 

Boy they were right upstanding gents weren't they 

So this is your answer to all the atrocities Castro committed? Mustapha makes a very good point. Some of you saying good things are being total hypocrites. Supporting him because he is a socialist is ridiculous, because if that is socialism then no one should want it, right?

 

Lefties like to complain about Trump or Harper infringing on equal rights, but Castro killed those who didn't agree with him. 

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On 27/11/2016 at 9:54 AM, Warhippy said:

My favorite thing about people losing their minds about this is that they are people who lean right

 

Supported Harper

 

Yet never spoke up about this

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01/22/stephen-harper-king-abdullah_n_6528942.html

 

Can sit and spin about Castro all one likes.  There is no way in Hell Castro was more brutal than the former king of Saudi Arabia.

Sadly most all Western leaders praised Abdullah. I'm a conservative and I was disgusted by this praise. So disgusted I sent an email pointing out how disgusted I was with that praise. Abdullah deserved to burn in hell. But to down play Castro's atrocities and make comparisons of who is worse is ridiculous.

 

2 ruthless dictators die and back to back pm's praise them, sickening and sad really.. 

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5 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Sadly most all Western leaders praised Abdullah. I'm a conservative and I was disgusted by this praise. So disgusted I sent an email pointing out how disgusted I was with that praise. Abdullah deserved to burn in hell. But to down play Castro's atrocities and make comparisons of who is worse is ridiculous.

 

2 ruthless dictators die and back to back pm's praise them, sickening and sad really.. 

My response is simply pointing that out to some who widely criticize the left leaning or centrist leaders and are deriding Trudeau right now over his comments, yet praised or accepted their choice of leader to praise a guy who was quite terrible in his own regard, and in many cases far far worse because of the amount of money his kingdom was/is making

5 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

So this is your answer to all the atrocities Castro committed? Mustapha makes a very good point. Some of you saying good things are being total hypocrites. Supporting him because he is a socialist is ridiculous, because if that is socialism then no one should want it, right?

 

Lefties like to complain about Trump or Harper infringing on equal rights, but Castro killed those who didn't agree with him. 

Sorry what?

 

Is that my answer?  No.  It just seems people don't or won't do their history.  Batista was absolutely horrendous for Cuba.  Castro was not a nice man, see my first page post for clarification.   At no point did I excuse him his crimes.  

 

But while he was not a nice man, he also did a lot of good for his country as well.  Things people forget while only remembering the bad.  We here in the west get indoctrinated with American style coverage decrying him as an inhuman monster.  When the truth is for all his faults they never spoke of the good either

 

http://www.nnoc.info/world-bank-cuba-has-the-highest-investment-in-education-worldwide/

 

People never mention that Batista regularly killed educators, doctors and thinkers in his purges.  Castro was not a good human being nobody can argue that.  But he also did care for his country in ways many never hear about.

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The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

 

Do you honestly expect me to believe nonsense like 'Cuba has a great education system' when their society doesn't even allow for freedom of expression?

 

I have discussed this before: You cannot have education without an open marketplace of ideas. Cubans are not allowed to read books or magazines that aren't approved by their government,  and their internet is so heavily censored they would make the Chinese blush.

 

The Cubans can praise their system, but as far as I am concerned it's total BS.

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3 minutes ago, Mustapha said:

The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

 

Do you honestly expect me to believe nonsense like 'Cuba has a great education system' when their society doesn't even allow for freedom of expression?

 

I have discussed this before: You cannot have education without an open marketplace of ideas. Cubans are not allowed to read books or magazines that aren't approved by their government,  and their internet is so heavily censored they would make the Chinese blush.

 

The Cubans can praise their system, but as far as I am concerned it's total BS.

We don't hear of people escaping TO Cuba, now do we? :lol:

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