Patrick OSullivan Rips on Vancouver -The Franchise,City,Fans

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No matter what we've endured in this life, we have been gifted with wonderful opportunities to seek help and support.  Unlike times of the past when things were swept into closets as secrets, there is an awareness out there.   So there IS no excuse to go public with a horrid story of abuse in a book and interviews if you haven't sought out some sort of help during the process or are using it as part of that.  I get it, can be very empowering to spill it and put it out in the open.  But to go there - to speak on the very tragic, serious issue of child abuse then use it to trash talk?   Hmmm, not ok.  Stay on track.   Is this book about the horrible abuse he suffered or The Canucks and all of Vancouver suck?  Don't pave the way in by using your story, then tell another one that is unrelated (Leafs vs Cancks).  Sure, journalists will lead you there, but take the high road?

 

We have choices in this life...we can choose to wallow in pain, maybe even profit from it if people will listen...but that's exploiting it.  Children in the same position deserve better.  The Leafs are awesome and the Canucks and Vancouver suck shouldn't be a chapter in this.

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4 hours ago, Down by the River said:

 

Its called an explanation, not an excuse. 

 

What you are not understanding is that for certain cases of abuse (1) their ability to seek out and benefit from help is less likely, (2) seeking interviews and trying to sell his story is exactly the type of behavior that someone that has experienced abuse is likely to do, again, because of their increased risk of stunted brain development that is going to decrease their likelihood of wanting help, looking for help, and willing to put in the long-term work required to get better. 

 

Yes, he's behaving like an ass. Yes, he is doing a disservice to himself. Understanding WHY he is this way can at least help people understand his decisions. 

 

You can keep saying he is a man a man a man, but the reality is that for it is possible that certain parts of his brain are very poorly developed compared to the average person his age.

 

Or, maybe he is just a dick and his brain is fine. I really don't know. 

I'm sensing that the last part rings truest.   And, even if his brain isn't fine....he owes it to himself to find that out.  No excuses.

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7 minutes ago, chon derry said:

further to that tsn is exploiting this guy and further perpetrating his behaviour even more than it needs to be, both partys look unprofessional.

Absolutely they are.  This stuff sells.  Sadly, and to the detriment of using the platform in a constructive manner.  The Canucks and Vancouver suck?  That's the message to take away from it all?   I won't even need to read the book then.....

 

[chon derry]

Just now, debluvscanucks said:

Absolutely they are.  This stuff sells.  Sadly, and to the detriment of using the platform in a constructive manner.  The Canucks and Vancouver suck?  That's the message to take away from it all?

 

its the centre of the universe don't cha know. it fits parallel to the media bias ,the nhl dops bias and the western alienation from the federal gov,  and an almost a jealous feel to any thing that comes out of ontario as it relates to british columbia.

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18 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

No one said it's easy. 

 

And when he puts it out there in a judgement of this city, the team, the fans?  He becomes fair game then...despite his story, that doesn't give immunity.  So it's ok to dish it out?  Many of us have one (a story), but that doesn't give us a free pass to slide through and say/do whatever we want.  So...again....I stand by my idea that he should focus on doing something positive, especially if he wants immunity of some sort.  He had a horrible childhood...but he can go high instead of low.  Break the cycle instead of using it as a platform for trash talk and hating on others.

 

Absolutely. I'm not trying to justify anything he said, quite the contrary. As I said before, someone with such a strong bias should have no place on national television and he deserves almost all the criticism. I just feel that some statements like "he should have been smacked harder" or "his father should have another go at him" are too much. I fail to see the humour or irony in it.

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4 hours ago, Down by the River said:

 

Its called an explanation, not an excuse. 

 

What you are not understanding is that for certain cases of abuse (1) their ability to seek out and benefit from help is less likely, (2) seeking interviews and trying to sell his story is exactly the type of behavior that someone that has experienced abuse is likely to do, again, because of their increased risk of stunted brain development that is going to decrease their likelihood of wanting help, looking for help, and willing to put in the long-term work required to get better. 

 

Yes, he's behaving like an ass. Yes, he is doing a disservice to himself. Understanding WHY he is this way can at least help people understand his decisions. 

 

You can keep saying he is a man a man a man, but the reality is that for it is possible that certain parts of his brain are very poorly developed compared to the average person his age.

 

Or, maybe he is just a dick and his brain is fine. I really don't know. 

But explaining it for him lets him flounder in it.   I do understand it, trust me.  My own programming over the years was in response to having been subjected to it  (not by my father) and always gave me an "excuse" to continue doing nothing about it.  But I had kids, then saw that I needed to get past the fact that I was abused and start working toward fixing ME as a result of the abuse.  Not continually  explaining it in response to being a mess, but being active in changing it.  So the bar isn't being set without understanding it all.  Explaining for him doesn't help him, it simply allows him to stay stuck where he is.  So this is more related to how others react to him than it is to him.

If you see a guy driving erratically at high speed with a blown out tire you don't say "aw well, poor guy...someone ran into him".  You expect him to pull over and fix it.  If he's unaware, you let him know.

[Hemsky]

I can't disagree with anything he said. This team is hated for a reason and the 2011 season/playoff tarnished the canucks rep. It was a long time ago but people still look at them the same way. Until burrows and hansen leave it won't change.

[Ghostsof1915]

Ok, this arguing seems to be getting people no where. Let's just agree to disagree, and that an ideal world kids never get physically hit. 

I think there's fans in every market that make other fans look bad. Like when the media digs up "well Vancouver fans riot at a drop of a hat". 

Or that we booed Team Canada back in 1972. Yet no one seems to bring up how great the atmosphere was during 2010. 

 

Let's let him rant, and prove him wrong by being good fans? And folks be as good parents as you can. 

 

/end of speech.

 

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I never was ok with this being in Canucks Talk....it's not, it's Patrick Sullivan talk and he has a book on that so we don't really need it here.  As this is becoming a portal for Leaf fans to sneak in the back with a few jabs, we'll shut it down.  Going in circles.  If anyone disagrees, pm me and I'll reconsider.