Phat Fingers Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 18 hours ago, Davathor said: Garth Snow. Rowe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 17 hours ago, TheGuardian_ said: At year three and the team has the lowest point totals of the last 3 decades, 30 years and is trending down......I have this great beach front property for sale... Forsling gone Etem gone Vey gone Larsen might as well be Grandlund 9 points and -12 Prust gone Eriksson over 1 million per goal 1/4 the way through the season Vrbata gone for nothing Hamhuis gone for nothing The best prospects on the team, Hutton, Markstrom, Horvat are Gillis guys. Gillis didn't get the luxury of drafting in the bottom third of the league and he used what he had, added to it, stirred and played in a SCF within 3 years, Benning will be hunting the lottery for the next 5 years or so and if he can't do better than Gillis he should pay back some of his salary. Hutton, Markstrom and Horvat are not prospects, they are players. Can you name any other prospects that Gillis brought into the organization that have worked out? Gillis had a lot more to work with the JB. Gillis left the franchise a hollowed out mess from where it was in 2011. Gillis started out with the Sedins just before they peaked into the leagues best players, Kesler just before he peaked into one of the leagues best two way guys. Burrows just before he peaked, Edler just before he peaked, Beiksa just before he peaked. He inherited Luongo, Hansen and Schnieder. There is the old core. Name me one or two equivalent players in the the roster emerging that compare to any of those that JB had to work with? Horvat and maybe Hutton. He has the aged and declining Twins, Kesler jumped ship, Hamhuis was washed up and had some horrible injuries, Bieksa was on the decline, Garrison... Lack was our starter. Markstrom couldn't hold Luongo's or Schnieders cup for them yet. MG made some great signings, and had a few great trades to begin with then couldn't make a deal to save his life. But it he had the Luxury of already having an All star Goalie, a Selkie winner and two league MVP's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman491 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 On 12/3/2016 at 1:30 PM, chickenman92 said: I always chuckle a bit when people act like Gillis was terrible at drafting/identifying young players. The fact is, the Canucks best forward (Horvat), 2 best D (Hutton & Tanev) and best goalie (Markstrom) were all Gillis moves. Was he great at drafting, no. But I don't think he's as bad or Benning is as far ahead of Gillis as people like to think. None of those players started making an impact until after Gillis was gone. Give it 3 years and then you can asses Benning's success on his first 3 drafts and signings. Gillis got better at drafting as the years went on, but his first few drafts were not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman491 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 On 12/3/2016 at 10:45 PM, Mathew Barzal said: Forget smackdown, what about a Gillis-Benning duo. Co-GM's. Fk ya bud I like this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 5 hours ago, stuman491 said: None of those players started making an impact until after Gillis was gone. Give it 3 years and then you can asses Benning's success on his first 3 drafts and signings. Gillis got better at drafting as the years went on, but his first few drafts were not great. A parallel can be seen here, Gillis got the Nonis guys and Benning is getting the Gillis guys. None of those guys except Tanev was around for Gillis to use and Horvat was his lowest pick of his entire term. Doesn't matter now, Linden admitted to knowing the team needs a total rebuild, he just won't do it because it might hurt the Sedins feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 The big what if is we had Benning running things instead of Gillis. My money is he we would have avoided the goalie fiasco and have more in the cupboard prospect wise. Gillis walked into the peak years of the Sedins Kelser and Luongo...he did an ok job up until we lost the final and he started dismantling the best team in the NHL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just imagine this: severson instead of Mallet jenner instead of Jensen boom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 23 hours ago, Aircool said: There is a HUGE difference between good hockey, with good puck movement, and putting shots on net... I wonder why they lost those games? It probably had nothing to do with not generating strong scoring chances with incisive passing, and instead settling for bad shots from the perimeter. I don't even remember those games and I'd wager that was the case... Shots don't matter, it's goals that matter... Shooting too much is a bad characteristic, it's why Erik Gudbranson is an anchor in the offensive zone... He gives away so much possession taking bad shots and missing the net. The posts intention was to point out that the team generates offensive chances and is entertaining to watch. Missing the net doesn't count as a shot btw...and even those can turn into something sometimes it's intentional. I understand what you are pointing out for all our chances some night we could really use a trigger man but at least we often score by committee. Again considering we haven't reached the bottom of this cycle things are not all that bad. At least we don't have a bunch of nobodies and has beens like we did after Keenan was done with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 6 hours ago, IBatch said: At least we don't have a bunch of nobodies and has beens like we did after Keenan was done with us. Huh? Keenan was responsible for ALOT of carnage but he also left Burke with one-third of the West Coast Express (Bertuzzi). Not to mention the asset Bryan McCabe with Burke was able to get the 2nd Sedin with. Also essentially acquired in that Linden trade was Jarkko Ruutu who gave us this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircool Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 8 hours ago, IBatch said: The posts intention was to point out that the team generates offensive chances and is entertaining to watch. Missing the net doesn't count as a shot btw...and even those can turn into something sometimes it's intentional. I understand what you are pointing out for all our chances some night we could really use a trigger man but at least we often score by committee. Again considering we haven't reached the bottom of this cycle things are not all that bad. At least we don't have a bunch of nobodies and has beens like we did after Keenan was done with us. I think it's entirely fair to say that we have a team with a bunch of "relative" nobodies... We have the most anemic offense in the NHL... I mean you can't really argue with that, that's just the truth. You say that we often score by committee, but you know what's better than that? Scoring often by committee... Which we definitely do not do. Our ability to move the puck is pathetic... Also, whether or not a puck is considered a shot on goal, a shot has still been taken, and Gudbranson just loves hitting the endboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 16 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Huh? Keenan was responsible for ALOT of carnage but he also left Burke with one-third of the West Coast Express (Bertuzzi). Not to mention the asset Bryan McCabe with Burke was able to get the 2nd Sedin with. Also essentially acquired in that Linden trade was Jarkko Ruutu who gave us this: Yes the Linden trade was arguably a top five all time trade for us ....do you remember Enrico Ciccone? Or when Gelinas was our only bright light as top scorer...Back up Bob...Felix Potvin...Irbe..Sean Burke....there was some pretty lame teams until the west coast express arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 On 03/12/2016 at 10:11 AM, orcasgonewild said: Hey everyone Sportsnet just came out with a new interview article with Trevor Linden. Here it is... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/trevor-linden-qa-canucks-go/ It's an all around piece about prospects management and today's game against the maple laughs. ------------------------------------------------------------------ I know that the most biggest difference between 2011 and current is that we were contenders before but we may not be too far off. Best moves: Rebuilding our defence... Bieksa garrison Erhoff hamhuis salo To Tanev Stecher Hutton gudbranson tryamkin Creating goalie depth replacing Luongo Schneider and eventually Miller from the current roster With... Markstrom demko garteig Gillis vs benning era drafting gillis: hodgson, sauve, rai, froshaug, clark, schroeder, rodin connauton cannata McNally Friesen gaunce Hutton horvat shinkaruk cassels subban cederholm Benning: Virtanen McCann demko Tryamkin forsling boeser brisbois zhukenov gaudette jasek Olson candella (Quite the difference is high ceiling prospects) Signings Gillis: Richardson Wellwood Hordichuk Johnson Demitra Baumgartner Rypien Sundin Shirokov Samuelsson Glass malholtra sturm Ebbett Weise Barker benning: Miller Vrbata McMillan Bartowski cracknell Eriksson Trades Gillis acquired: Bernier Labarbera Alberts Ballard Oreskovich Higgins Booth Kassian Benning: Granlund Sutter Gudbranson Dorsett Sbisa Pedan Baertschi Prust Etem Larsen SPECIAL NOTES/SUMMARY There might be tiny errors above but that's it. -*Most of gillis's success came from players they already had in the system* -benning is clearly the better drafter -benning didn't get a lot of great prospects from the previous era like Gillis did (Sedins kesler Edler Hansen ect) -benning is basically starting from scratch and we should be thankful he turned around our goaltending and defense so quickly. -Benning has net out approach so he's gonna build out our forwards next. BE HAPPY AND EXCITED CANUCKS FANS BECAUSE AT LEAST WE DIDNT TAKE 10 YEARS TO IMPROVE OUR TEAM. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME! YOU FORGOT EL TORO and YAPPY LAPPY!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 That 2010 draft list makes me want to gouge out my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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