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1 minute ago, IBatch said:

Let's hope so.  Who we get in the next two or three drafts will likely determine the course of this club.  If we can get a Laine or MT somebody who can step in right away it would help tremendously.  Goaltending is key too.  If Demko is a 400 win guy we have it made.  If not we need somebody who is at least a top ten goalies if we are going to contend a trade or UFA signing will be required at some point in the future.  I don't see this group sorting out for a while.  Five years most likely.  Horvat and maybe Boesser and Juolevi and Demko are the only core guys we have so far.  A lot of work to do yet.  There are ten guys or so next draft that could become stars.  The year after is supposed to be better.  Hopefully we can get some more pieces then.

JB doesn't have a lot of picks, but he really does well with the ones he has.  

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Not all teams are structured the same way.

 

If we're assuming Bo is our next No 1 center, then we need to find him some legitimate elite level talent to play with. Boeser may be one of those guys....maybe....But even if that's the case, we need to find another true top line sniper to play on the other side as well. We would likely need to find a second line center as well if this is the route we go.

 

If we're assuming Bo is going to top out as a 2nd line center, then we obviously need to find ourselves a true no 1 center. However, if we go that route and (somehow) actually find one, then I think it lessens the need to find another elite level winger to a degree (that is assuming we're able to find a high level no1 center)

 

Also, a game breaking D prospect is something we're missing. It's possible that Juolevi can be that guy, but I wouldn't say it's likely.

 

As far as the rest of the lineup goes, it's far easier that find those types of guys via free agency, and we already have guys in our system that could potentially fill some of those roles anyways. I'm not too worried.

 

But yeah, basically, we need either...

 

Legit 1st line LW, 2nd line center, stud Dman/PP specialist, (Legit 1st line RW, depending on how Boeser turns out),

 

or

 

Legit 1st line center, stud Dman/PP specialist, and possibly a legit top line winger.

 

If we're able to get a combination of these pieces, I think the rest will fall into place.

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"If we're assuming Bo is our next No 1 center, then we need to find him some legitimate elite level talent to play with. Boeser may be one of those guys....maybe....But even if that's the case, we need to find another true top line sniper to play on the other side as well"

 

While it would be great to have 3 elite players on the top line, this team has spent a decade with just 2. Sedin/ Sedin.

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1 hour ago, S'all Good Man said:

No i get it, the CHL-NHL rules are stupid, and gives Euro picks like Nylander an edge in development. 

 

I think all this "elite" talk is a bit much. Sure you can pick high and get "elite", but you can also pick lower and develop well. Bo is a perfect example of that. Boeser may just be as well. 

 

 

I'm not disagreeing with you on that.

 

I was just making the point that elite players are rated as such because those "who know (scouts etc)" tip them to go straight into the NHL and perform without requiring to play and be developed in the AHL. Examples are McDavid, Crosby, Ekblad, Laine, Matthews, Marner, Kane etc.

 

These players are usually top 3/5 but can sometimes be found further down the draft but not often. My point is the "development" is seldom started in the NHL, it is usually done in the A.

 

Let's face it Bo is one of those few players who were not thought to be elite but are able, by stint of hard work and an appreciation of what it takes, to elevate their game.

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1 hour ago, gurn said:

"If we're assuming Bo is our next No 1 center, then we need to find him some legitimate elite level talent to play with. Boeser may be one of those guys....maybe....But even if that's the case, we need to find another true top line sniper to play on the other side as well"

 

While it would be great to have 3 elite players on the top line, this team has spent a decade with just 2. Sedin/ Sedin.

Most teams have a 'lesser' complimentary winger as the 3rd guy on the 1st line. They usually save their 3rd best player to help anchor a 2nd line and spread the offense making the team harder to defend/play against. In the cap era it's just not possible to load up a line like that (short of PP's, trailing late in a game etc) if you can even find the requisite talent to do so.

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

JB doesn't have a lot of picks, but he really does well with the ones he has.  

JB has to hit a home run with Joulevi,though....After Jake Virtanen,there's no margin for error for the two highest picks the Canucks have had in over a decade..Having both of them underwhelm could cost him his job...He has done well with later picks,something his predecessor could not do.

 

JB also has to unload some vets at the deadline,and get more picks...Watching the Sedins this season,its painfully obvious that the window is firmly shut..Its delusional thinking to believe that the Canucks are a playoff team...Time to accelerate the rebuild.

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40 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

I'm not disagreeing with you on that.

 

I was just making the point that elite players are rated as such because those "who know (scouts etc)" tip them to go straight into the NHL and perform without requiring to play and be developed in the AHL. Examples are McDavid, Crosby, Ekblad, Laine, Matthews, Marner, Kane etc.

 

These players are usually top 3/5 but can sometimes be found further down the draft but not often. My point is the "development" is seldom started in the NHL, it is usually done in the A.

 

Let's face it Bo is one of those few players who were not thought to be elite but are able, by stint of hard work and an appreciation of what it takes, to elevate their game.

We're on the same page here. Except maybe for Laine, he's got an "elite" shot but he's got a lot of work to do on his defensive game. Marner is a bit of a stretch for me too "elite" as well, he's pretty small and won't be able to physically dominate anyone. But of course I'd take both of them in a heartbeat. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Honky Cat said:

JB has to hit a home run with Joulevi,though....After Jake Virtanen,there's no margin for error for the two highest picks the Canucks have had in over a decade..Having both of them underwhelm could cost him his job...He has done well with later picks,something his predecessor could not do.

Actually, I'd say the opposite is true of the Gillis era. Other than Horvat and to a lesser degree Gaunce, he was a massive fail in the first round and even worse, we have next to nothing to show for those picks through trade as well. 

 

But he/the scouts did manage to find a few guys later that have NHL promise, are in the NHL or are at least solid AHL organizational depth (which is still a decent outcome for later picks).

 

Cannatta, Connaughton, Rodin, Friesen, Tommernes, Corrado, LaBate, Grenier, LaBate, Hutton and Subban would have been 'ok' return on depth picks if we hadn't face planted so hard on those first rounders. 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Actually, I'd say the opposite is true of the Gillis era. Other than Horvat and to a lesser degree Gaunce, he was a massive fail in the first round and even worse, we have next to nothing to show for those picks through trade as well. 

 

But he/the scouts did manage to find a few guys later that have NHL promise, are in the NHL or are at least solid AHL organizational depth (which is still a decent outcome for later picks).

 

Cannatta, Connaughton, Rodin, Friesen, Tommernes, Corrado, LaBate, Grenier, LaBate, Hutton and Subban would have been 'ok' return on depth picks if we hadn't face planted so hard on those first rounders. 

 

 

 

 

LaBate and LaBate, both good picks. B)

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1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said:

Basically we are missing  5  top   six forwards.....

 

We currently really only have Horvat that is a decent top 6 forward.

 

Our other 11 forwards are really functionning more at 3rd or 4th liners..  Sorry but you know its true.

“Thinking something does not make it true."

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In reply to the OPs thread title, I would say:

 

1. Norris calibre Dman

2. All Star calibre goalie (Miller will work)

3. 30 to 40 goal scoring winger

4. Jack Adams calibre coach

5. 3rd line not made up of fourth liners

6. 4th line not made up of AHLers

7. A restock of our prospect cupboard

 

Not too much though

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On 2017-02-19 at 3:35 PM, S'all Good Man said:

We're on the same page here. Except maybe for Laine, he's got an "elite" shot but he's got a lot of work to do on his defensive game. Marner is a bit of a stretch for me too "elite" as well, he's pretty small and won't be able to physically dominate anyone. But of course I'd take both of them in a heartbeat. 

 

 

Your definition of elite may be more elite than mine, but when I watch Marner play I feel like I'm watching greatness. His numbers are very similar to Patrick Kane's rookie numbers, but I kind of feel like he's going to be better ( even though I know that's a ridiculous thing to say).

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