Discussion - Should the Canucks explore trading the Sedins to Montreal

[orcasgonewild]

1 minute ago, VanGnome said:

 

You realize that only 1 player from each team can be picked right? I'm sure they have players in their bottom 6, or bottom pairing D they can choose to expose. Sedins are under contract for next year as well, so the Canadiens would have some roster security there. Besides, it's not like Bergevin is risk averse when it comes to trading young players for older players... he traded P.K. Subban straight up for Shea Weber!

Yea exactly. They'll be fine after a trade.

[Aircool]

58 minutes ago, smokes said:

They have injuries at the moment but it doesn't mean than they are going to pick up 14 million dollars for the next couple of years because of it.

 

While I think the likelihood of trading the Sedins is low, and wouldn't be a huge fan of it, because while it'll hurt our rebuilding effort not to trade them - you need to respect some history - Don't be stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus christ.... Any trade involving the Sedins would be at 50% retained on both their contracts......... Anyone who doesn't understand that at this point is beyond stupid.

[189lb enforcers?]

Retaining salary is just to buy some picks.

 

[Bur14Kes17]

13 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

That's great and all this season...but how exactly does Montreal cram an extra $14m of cap in NEXT season now that they own the twins in this theory?

If Desharnais came to Vancouver (who by the way is on an expiring contract) as part of swap, both Radulov and Markov are on expiring contracts this year for a combined 11.5Million. All three players combine for 15 Million. With a little cap retention on vancouvers part, Montreal would easily have enough money to resign their RFAs and make next seasons roster work 

[Mr.DirtyDangles]

1 hour ago, Bur14Kes17 said:

I've never advocated or wanted the Sedins traded. I'm just recognizing the opportunity for what it is and that's the chance to bend the Canadians over and retool the franchise is a single move. The Habs are built to win now. Last season was lost because of the Price injury, are they now willing to lose a second season because their two top Centres are injured? 

 

Meh, Habs are kinda average and with Glach out and Patches brooding they might just go on their yearly big slide a little early.

[DrJockitch]

If the Sedins want to be traded, would be a good spot.  Would probably actually help them a lot to move to the east.  They play better there, the east just isn't used to there game as much as the west.  The extra rest would be good for them.

 

I thought the Islanders would have been the perfect spot for them this year before the Isles stank up the beginning of the season.  

 

List of contenders in the east isn't encouraging as far as trade.  Pitt, TB and Caps are pretty much capped out.  Florida is intriguing and they are good Corsi players.  Anyone else in the playoff picture is pretty hard against the cap.  Ottawa could really use them but frankly isn't much of a step up.  Philly just doesn't seem to fit and the thought of Boston makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

 

Just don't see it happening.  Perfectly content with the franchise respecting their best players wishes either way.

[smokes]

1 hour ago, Bur14Kes17 said:

If that 14 million dollars means your season doesn't go to waste and wins you a Stanley cup or two it seems worth exploring. Did you miss the part that they've lost their top 2 centers? 

Did you miss the part that they probably won't be gone for a year and a half?

[Lockhart]

The Sedin's would have a ton of trade value if we retained 50% on each contract for the remainder. Could you imagine them going to an already elite team and being inserted onto their 2nd or 3rd line. They would have way more room out there if they weren't always facing the toughest lines.

[WeneedLumme]

They have families and No Movement Clauses. The chance of them agreeing to move to Montreal, or anywhere else, is very close to zero, close enough to not be worth discussing. What part of this is difficult to understand? What a stupid thread.

[erkayloomeh]

2 hours ago, smokes said:

How many times does management need to tell people that they are not trading the Sedins before people get it? It's like they don't understand the English language.

I think there are a certain number of people that just don't trust what they hear from management. Management doesn't call press conferences to announce they are not trading the sedins they respond to being asked don't they?   Wasn't Richards traded the following day after the gm said I'm not trading him (and carter too I think)

Didn't Trevor linden of all people say he wasn't going to be president only for it to be announced a few days later? Our beloved Trevor linden lied to us. Kesler and bieksa both lied on camera about Kesler requesting a trade. 

If the sedins end up taking enough heat in this town I can see it happening. It wold be a difficult to do but could happen. I'd rule it out for other reasons but not because jb said they aren't getting traded . 

[JM_]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

I hear Montreal gets snow galore, has the world's largest IKEA, and plays ABBA in all indoor government buildings and shopping malls.  The Twins should feel at home, no?  

 

Really? L'Ikea is the biggest one? 

 

I think MTL would like to have Tanev, but I don't know what F assets they could give up in return that makes it worthwhile. 

[on the cycle]

CDC logic,

 

Hi, I have a differing opinion expressed respectfully and thoughtfully.

 

.....Down vote, -20.

 

 

Respect others opinions and if you think someone is incorrect, Argue your case.

Save down votes for inappropriate or inconsiderate behaviour.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, S'all Good Man said:

 

Really? L'Ikea is the biggest one? 

 

I think MTL would like to have Tanev, but I don't know what F assets they could give up in return that makes it worthwhile. 

Maybe Tanev would be happier in Buffalo?  His favourite food is wings.  Can you say: SAM REINHART?  

[billabong]

Yes they should trade the sedins but it's not their call to make. The sedins go If and when they want until their contracts are up in 2018

 

if the sedins truly want to win a cup they will ask to be traded. Won't happen till after the expansion draft though

 

love the sedins as leaders, people in the community and as hockey players BUT I want them to win a cup more than anyone else in the league and franchise history (next to linden) 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, on the cycle said:

CDC logic,

 

Hi, I have a differing opinion expressed respectfully and thoughtfully.

 

.....Down vote, -20.

 

 

Respect others opinions and if you think someone is incorrect, Argue your case.

Save down votes for inappropriate or inconsiderate behaviour.

This post hurts my feelings...I would minus you, but I used mine on that fluffy bunny story and how he was saved by that heroic ten year old diving into that raging stream. 

[c00kies]

2 hours ago, VanGnome said:

 

You realize that only 1 player from each team can be picked right? I'm sure they have players in their bottom 6, or bottom pairing D they can choose to expose. Sedins are under contract for next year as well, so the Canadiens would have some roster security there. Besides, it's not like Bergevin is risk averse when it comes to trading young players for older players... he traded P.K. Subban straight up for Shea Weber!

Yes, but the quality of the player exposed goes up due to limited protection slots, so instead of exposing a bottom 6 forward, you expose a top four d-man or top 6 forward.

[*Buzzsaw*]

#1  The Sedins have a no-trade clause

 

#2  The President and GM say they will not be traded

 

#3  No team in the league is going to accept 14 million in CAP for two guys who are on a clear downhill trajectory and whose characteristics are exactly the opposite of what every team in the league is looking for... ie. speed and transition.

 

The only way the Canucks could trade the Sedins, (and as said there are #1 and #2 above) is if they ate 1/2 of their salary and CAP hit, (7 million) and accepted garbage in return... ie. a couple of older has beens whose combined value equals 7 million.

 

 

[Bur14Kes17]

25 minutes ago, on the cycle said:

CDC logic,

 

Hi, I have a differing opinion expressed respectfully and thoughtfully.

 

.....Down vote, -20.

 

 

Respect others opinions and if you think someone is incorrect, Argue your case.

Save down votes for inappropriate or inconsiderate behaviour.

Thank you. I was worried I was the only one who understood CDC that way

[Me_]

3 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

 

Yes, of course Canucks should look into this.  We would want  a first,  a second  and a  good  prospect. 

Or   2017 and 2018 first round picks 

 

Canucks can even eat some contract to make it happen. 

 

If we only had a  GM committed to winning a cup instead of a  GM hoping some day to make the playoffs....

 

Make it happen JB.  

Interesting to note the difference between the last 1st round pick, and the first 2nd round pick at a draft.

 

30th overall pick is a joke. 

[Me_]

7 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

#1  The Sedins have a no-trade clause

 

#2  The President and GM say they will not be traded

 

#3  No team in the league is going to accept 14 million in CAP for two guys who are on a clear downhill trajectory and whose characteristics are exactly the opposite of what every team in the league is looking for... ie. speed and transition.

 

The only way the Canucks could trade the Sedins, (and as said there are #1 and #2 above) is if they ate 1/2 of their salary and CAP hit, (7 million) and accepted garbage in return... ie. a couple of older has beens whose combined value equals 7 million.

 

 

That is quite harsh. 'I don't think the Sedins are done as much as the Canucks are done with the Sedins winning the Stanley Cup.

 

How The Sedins think of that is what is interesting. 

 

The relationship between fans and franchise toward the Sedins was cemented long ago. It would survive a trade as Linden did.