mll Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 12 minutes ago, ShakyWalton said: I think Pedan will be a UFA as well. He is RFA - and is eligible to be picked up by Vegas unless the Canucks decide to protect him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokanee king Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 4 hours ago, mll said: 5 hours ago, Kokanee king said: Dress 7d for each game and let the 7th be someone new every 5-10 games. That might be better to watch than Skille for 3-4 minutes a night. That's actually what Cooper has done last year for about 30 games - even at times in the playoffs. They dress 7Ds and play them as Ds - freshness but also in case of in-game injuries or penalties. It also allowed to increase the minutes of some of their younger more offensive Fs instead of dressing a 4th liner, by giving them additional shifts on that 4th line. the other bonus is that every time the fourth line is out there will be 3 d on the ice. a win win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, mll said: He is RFA - and is eligible to be picked up by Vegas unless the Canucks decide to protect him. Does Pedan have enough NHL game experience to qualify for the expansion draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 11 minutes ago, Kokanee king said: the other bonus is that every time the fourth line is out there will be 3 d on the ice. a win win Not with how Cooper has done it. The Ds play at their positions and only 2Ds are on the ice at the same time. The pairings are more fluid because there are not 6Ds but 7Ds to rotate. The 4th line is made up of 2 x 4th liners and one of the Fs from the top-9. It's a way to get some younger Fs more ice time and keep the Ds fresher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I'm going to plug this every time I see an expansion discussion: https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft Click on the Canucks logo, run the draft. Granted it's not the end of the season yet, so some injured players from last year haven't met their games quota, but I think this should be used as the factual resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 minute ago, mll said: Not with how Cooper has done it. The Ds play at their positions and only 2Ds are on the ice at the same time. The pairings are more fluid because they are not 6Ds but 7Ds to rotate. The 4th line is made up of 2 x 4th liners and one of the Fs from the top-9. It's a way to get some younger Fs more ice time. So, why don't we do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: Does Pedan have enough NHL game experience to qualify for the expansion draft? He's not exempt - he has been pro for more than two years. Everyone not protected is exposed. Among the players available there needs to be 2Fs and 1D with at least 40 NHL games over the season or 70 NHL games over two seasons. Pedan is unlikely to be the D that meets that requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 5 hours ago, mll said: That's actually what Cooper has done last year for about 30 games - even at times in the playoffs. They dress 7Ds and play them as Ds - freshness but also in case of in-game injuries or penalties. It also allowed to increase the minutes of some of their younger more offensive Fs instead of dressing a 4th liner, by giving them additional shifts on that 4th line. We might dress TEN D to sprinkle throughout the lineup..Sprinkle'em Willie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: I'm going to plug this every time I see an expansion discussion: https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft Click on the Canucks logo, run the draft. Granted it's not the end of the season yet, so some injured players from last year haven't met their games quota, but I think this should be used as the factual resource. They haven't adjusted yet for players who are going to become group 6 UFAs because they have not played 80 NHL games at age 25 after being under contract for 3 years. Rodin, Grenier etc are marked as RFAs but will in fact be UFAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, mll said: He's not exempt - he has been pro for more than two years. Everyone not protected is exposed. Among the players available there needs to be 2Fs and 1D with at least 40 NHL games over the season or 70 NHL games over two seasons. Pedan is unlikely to be the D that meets that requirement. Sbisa qualifies easily then, and Biega should be getting near that number too. No we don't need to protect because he's not qualified anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Ryan Biech just penned an article for CanucksArmy on the draft, believing that the Canucks will have to expose one of Baertschi/Granlund: http://canucksarmy.com/2016/12/8/expansion-draft-baertschi-or-granlund Quote Unfortunately, the Canucks are duty-bound to surrender a player to the Las Vegas Golden Knights. They should strive, though, to minimize that impact. It's looking likely at this stage Vancouver will lose Luca Sbisa. If they were to leave another, more intriguing piece exposed, maybe that gives Vegas reason for pause. The Canucks will protect Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin and Loui Eriksson because they have to. The Canucks have four remaining forward spots open to protect. Assuming they plan to protect Bo Horvat, Jannik Hansen and Brandon Sutter, that leaves the Canucks with one spot open for Markus Granlund or Sven Baertschi. Naturally, the Canucks could move Hansen between now and the expansion draft. They've shown a reluctance even to entertain the thought historically, though. Jason Botchford confirmed as much in Tuesday's edition of the Provies, citing a Jim Benning quote where he makes clear his unwillingness to ask players to waive their no-trade protection. Which brings us to the one spot for two player quandary we're in now with Granlund and Baertschi. ---- It's clear that if Baertschi is exposed instead of Granlund, the risk of losing one of those forwards rises. If the Canucks protected Baertschi and expose Granlund, chances are Sbisa's scooped up in the draft. Sbisa is a serviceable defenceman who would help the Golden Knights reach the cap floor, but the attractiveness of Baertschi and his $1.85M cap hit may be too much to pass up. Whereas Granlund's minuscule $0.900 cap hit could work in his favour of remaining with the organization. If the Canucks are unwilling to ask Hansen to waive his NTC, it's safe to assume that they don't want to lose him for nothing in return. As Seravalli suggested, I don't know what noise Baertschi will need to make between now and the end of the season to change the scale. As it's clear that if the Canucks are going to be able only to safeguard one of Baertschi or Granlund, the correct choice is to protect the Swiss winger over the Finnish centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, mll said: He is RFA - and is eligible to be picked up by Vegas unless the Canucks decide to protect him. just checked....you are right ,...cant see the canucks protecting him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 27 minutes ago, Conscience said: Okay so just one defence man that meets the minimum games and not a ufa. so if beiga gets his games in, it allows us to trade one of edler, tanev, or sbisa . it will be interesting to see if they keep beiga in to get his games, so they have the option of a trade, Im pretty sure that was the plan and the main reason Pedan was sent down..all things being equal Pedan had a good camp and should of beat out Biega. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, mll said: They haven't adjusted yet for players who are going to become group 6 UFAs because they have not played 80 NHL games at age 25 after being under contract for 3 years. Rodin, Grenier etc are marked as RFAs but will in fact be UFAs. You're wrong about Rodin, he's still considered RFA at the end of this year. As for Grenier I wouldn't sweat losing him. He's our 4th forward call-up, and was already exposed on waivers this season. Is your argument then the effectiveness of Capfriendly? NHLnumbers also confirms Rodin as RFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Sbisa qualifies easily then, and Biega should be getting near that number too. No we don't need to protect because he's not qualified anyway? These are the Ds that can be taken by Vegas: Edler, Tanev, Gudbranson, Sbisa, Pedan, Biega, Nillson. Others are either exempt or UFAs. The Canucks can only protect 3 of these Ds. Among the ones left exposed - at least one needs to meet that 40/70 game requirement. Vegas does not need to take that player they can choose anyone among the players not protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 3 hours ago, nux_win said: I think that CDC, with all its flaws and weirdness, collectively knows WAY more about the Canucks than TSN 1040 (it's the TSN part that gets in the way of any kind of balanced information-based discussion - it was a sad day for Canucks radio when they took over). GCG! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ossi Vaananen said: Ryan Biech just penned an article for CanucksArmy on the draft, believing that the Canucks will have to expose one of Baertschi/Granlund: http://canucksarmy.com/2016/12/8/expansion-draft-baertschi-or-granlund Baer, Granlund makes no difference. If Sbisa is there, the Vegas guys take him for sure. Heck, they would take Sbisa over Hansen too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 minute ago, mll said: These are the Ds that can be taken by Vegas: Edler, Tanev, Gudbranson, Sbisa, Pedan, Biega, Nillson. Others are either exempt or UFAs. The Canucks can only protect 3 of these Ds. Among the ones left exposed - at least one needs to meet that 40/70 game requirement. Vegas does not need to take that player they can choose anyone among the players not protected. I doubt Pedan reaches the 40 games requirement this year. He would then be safe from expansion. We would meet the requirement of an exposed D assuming we went with the 7-3-1 option. It's the 8-1 option (8 skaters, 1 goaltender), that could protect all our D while leaving forwards exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Baer, Granlund makes no difference. If Sbisa is there, the Vegas guys take him for sure. Heck, they would take Sbisa over Hansen too. I love Hansen but I'd sooner expose him over Baer/Granlund. I think you're right, we probably lose Sbisa, after he has just shown his worth this season. Look at it as a 3.6m cap dump? Would mean Tryamkin would have a place on that left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sbisa qualifies easily then, and Biega should be getting near that number too. No we don't need to protect because he's not qualified anyway? Pedan will be exposed in the expansion draft. However he doesn't qualify as the one defenceman we need to expose that has met the games played criteria. Right now the only player that will hit that number is Sbisa. Biega has to play a total of 19 games this year to also qualify. However all three will be exposed unless there is a trade of Edler or Tanev, in which case they would be able to protect Sbisa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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