smokes Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Who do you think was the best Canucks GM of all time. Seeing as each GM brought out a different era. Each doing their own great things. Like Burke's Sedin move at the draft table, Nonis getting Luongo at his prime for a trending downhill Bertuzzi, to Pat Quinn's Bure move at the draft table. Who do you think was the best GM the Canucks ever had? My pick is on Quinn just because he got us Linden, a hall of famer in Bure, general managed and coached his team to the Stanley Cup finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob.Loblaw Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Why don't we ask the more debatable question of who the SECOND greatest GM of all time is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Quinn, Burke, and Gillis are the top 3. Probably in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 It's funny that so many love Quinn, yet when Bure's name comes up management is trashed for how he was treated. Well Quinn was that GM. My choice is Burke. That Sedin deal was some real wheeling and dealing. He turned this team around pretty quick when he took over. Both financially and on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Quinn, Burke, and Gillis are the top 3. Probably in that order. Burke's inability and unwillingness to address goaltending during his entire tenure knocks him out of the top two for me, possibly off the podium altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtieCanuck Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 17 minutes ago, Baggins said: It's funny that so many love Quinn, yet when Bure's name comes up management is trashed for how he was treated. Well Quinn was that GM. My choice is Burke. That Sedin deal was some real wheeling and dealing. He turned this team around pretty quick when he took over. Both financially and on the ice. Quinn was the first GM for Vancouver that put anything resembling a contender on the ice. Before he came around, this team was never anything but a middle of the pack team at best (the 82 run was mostly sheer luck and that was proven in the finals). Quinn changed the standard of what a Canuck team was and that is why he is the greatest of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 23 minutes ago, Baggins said: It's funny that so many love Quinn, yet when Bure's name comes up management is trashed for how he was treated. Well Quinn was that GM. My choice is Burke. That Sedin deal was some real wheeling and dealing. He turned this team around pretty quick when he took over. Both financially and on the ice. Even if people take Bure's side regarding his departure from Vancouver, the only reason he was ever in Vancouver to go to the final, win the Calder and lead the league in goals was because Quinn hoodwinked the entire NHL and drafted him when everyone else thought he was ineligible. I don't think anyone can point to Bure as a negative on Quinn's resume. He's an enormous positive on the ledger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweathog Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Quinn by a landslide. The architect of the '94 team that was only 2 goals away from beating a loaded Rangers team for the cup, he also used to work magic with his trades. I would put Burke as second best because he aquire the Sedin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 43 minutes ago, Baggins said: It's funny that so many love Quinn, yet when Bure's name comes up management is trashed for how he was treated. Well Quinn was that GM. My choice is Burke. That Sedin deal was some real wheeling and dealing. He turned this team around pretty quick when he took over. Both financially and on the ice. I know it was on Quinn's watch but that seems fishy to me considering the amount of players who spoke highly of quinn. The Bure situation was mostly financial and it had to do with the Canucks paying him, to me this feels more like an ownership meddling issue than Quinn. Considering the amount of Russians Quinn has had on the Canucks, I can't see him screwing with Bure just for laughs considering he coaches him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Stammer- Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 man, I wanna say Gillis because he brought us lots of memories but he also somewhat destroyed our future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Quinn was before my time. Burke. Sedins. Laid the foundation for 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Pat Quinn also got Igor Larionov out of Russia, He signed a contract in Larionov's Kitchen in his apartment in Moscow. It was a huge deal then! The only reason Larionov left the Canucks was because the Canucks had to make transfer payment to Moscow as long he was with the team and Larionov wanted no part of Tikonov getting that money! Pat Quinn, no contest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Besides Quinn being the obvious choice , i would have to go with Gillis. Yes he was gifted the Sedin's, Kesler and Luongo in their prime, but he brought in key acquisitions such as Ehrhoff, Samsuelsson and Malhotra and took us to game 7. Something Burke never came close to and he was gifted the west coast express and Jovo in their prime. Both of them traded our future to make a run at the cup If Benning takes us to a conference final in 2-3 years after what he was dealt, he should be in the top 3. Juries out..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Quinn wins on nostalgia definite second best but Gillis wins overall. Gillis not only got our team to a level never before seen in this city but made changes that actually made Vancouver a desirable location and got players to sign for less then they would elsewhere. Sure he deserved to be canned in the end but every GM on this list pissed it all away somehow. Honestly, looking back, its a sad list where most will get votes for a single move (Bure, Luongo, a Sedin, except Keenen for Bert, I guess) disregarding that most these GM's had too many losing seasons under their belt. Only Gillis had the kind of winning record he had but it's still not a great accomplishment to top this list. So Gillis wins by default by my estimation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Not Gillis How many guys had career years at once when he inherited a young core? Its not as if he made that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, nuck-lifer said: Besides Quinn being the obvious choice , i would have to go with Gillis. Yes he was gifted the Sedin's, Kesler and Luongo in their prime, but he brought in key acquisitions such as Ehrhoff, Samsuelsson and Malhotra and took us to game 7. Something Burke never came close to and he was gifted the west coast express and Jovo in their prime. Both of them traded our future to make a run at the cup If Benning takes us to a conference final in 2-3 years after what he was dealt, he should be in the top 3. Juries out..... Erhoff almost doesn't count for me because yes he got him but his failure to resign him was the beginning of the end for offence from the D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 2 hours ago, smokes said: Who do you think was the best Canucks GM of all time. Seeing as each GM brought out a different era. Each doing their own great things. Like Burke's Sedin move at the draft table, Nonis getting Luongo at his prime for a trending downhill Bertuzzi, to Pat Quinn's Bure move at the draft table. Who do you think was the best GM the Canucks ever had? My pick is on Quinn just because he got us Linden, a hall of famer in Bure, general managed and coached his team to the Stanley Cup finals. 22 minutes ago, TimberWolf said: Quinn wins on nostalgia definite second best but Gillis wins overall. Gillis not only got our team to a level never before seen in this city but made changes that actually made Vancouver a desirable location and got players to sign for less then they would elsewhere. Sure he deserved to be canned in the end but every GM on this list pissed it all away somehow. Honestly, looking back, its a sad list where most will get votes for a single move (Bure, Luongo, a Sedin, except Keenen for Bert, I guess) disregarding that most these GM's had too many losing seasons under their belt. Only Gillis had the kind of winning record he had but it's still not a great accomplishment to top this list. So Gillis wins by default by my estimation. Gillis success has mostly to do with Burke and Luongo. Quin was my favourite given the good drafting and trades. Burke deserves props too second. Gillis maybe third for tweaking the team he inherited and reasonable signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 26 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Not Gillis How many guys had career years at once when he inherited a young core? Its not as if he made that happen. Then Gillis must have been the luckiest GM the Canucks had. When asked, which would you rather thave...a good general or a lucky one? Napoleon answered: "the lucky one". Gillis had ALOT of pressure "upstairs" to fire AV in this first season as GM. There's a reason to this day why AV doesn't have hard feelings towards the guy that fired him (Vigneault knew the "the powers that be" wanted him gone during that long losing first under Gillis' first season). It's often not what you do but what you don't do that makes you a good GM. And you're ignoring the complementary pieces like Ehrhoff, Hamhuis (acquired when he was still in his prime), and even Sundin. Did Gillis make some huge errors? Sure (ie., not re-signing Ehrhoff, Ballard, etc.,) I voted Quinn as the best Canucks GM even though he let the franchise slid into crapdome at the end (does anybody remember the state of the franchise just before Keenan got hired?). Quinn raised the team out of the gutter it was in largely for two decades & gave the franchise pride & it's first real amount of respectability. Why is Benning on the list? What are the "highs" of his reign? One 100 point season (era of the loser point) & 1st round flameout? Jeebus.... Took a 25th place team and turned it into a 28th place team with only 5 picks in the upcoming draft AND it's spending close to the cap limit. Yeah, that's all the fault of Gillis right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Then Gillis must have been the luckiest GM the Canucks had. When asked, which would you rather thave...a good general or a lucky one? Napoleon answered: "the lucky one". Gillis had ALOT of pressure "upstairs" to fire AV in this first season as GM. There's a reason to this day why AV doesn't have hard feelings towards the guy that fired him (Vigneault knew the "the powers that be" wanted him gone during that long losing first under Gillis' first season). It's often not what you do but what you don't do that makes you a good GM. And you're ignoring the complementary pieces like Ehrhoff, Hamhuis (acquired when he was still in his prime), and even Sundin. Did Gillis make some huge errors? Sure (ie., not re-signing Ehrhoff, Ballard, etc.,) Newbie fan? Like some admit here, you likely weren't here for the whole ride so its interesting that you guys bother voting at all. Feel free to, google your opinions, and vote. I'm not ignoring anything. We are still crawling through the mess he left behind, believing his in his soft core and signing deals that made change impossible. Many of us knew his team was done well before he did. There is a reason he is doing the artsy-fartsy thing now and is not in the bigz. I would be very surprised if MG ever gets close to a GM position in the NHL again. Benning, somehow on the list already, is here to clean up after that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I wonder if any of those GMs would be on any other team's list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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