Rollieo Del Fuego Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Eriksson is unmovable at this point, but you're missing that players need ice time to be effective. You can't just throw Jake/Sutter/Rodin/etc... on the 4th line and expect them to be productive. Rodin needs icetime, he needs offensive zone starts and pp time, if he gets that it means someone else isn't. Rolling 4 lines is still going to be the plan...I hope...and the line with the fewest minutes only has Sutter or Rodin on it if they are not producing on other lines, sort of the same for Jake but he should fit the classic 4th line role as well. I hope we see the minutes divided up like this; 1st line 17 minutes 2nd line 16 minutes 3rd line 14 minutes 4th line 13 minutes Rodin will be on the PK for sure and 2nd powerplay at least. ...oh and I don't think we should move Dorsett until we see if we need his truculence... Edited May 9, 2017 by Rollieo Del Fuego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: Rolling 4 lines is still going to be the plan...I hope...and the line with the fewest minutes only has Sutter or Rodin on it if they are not producing on other lines, sort of the same for Jake but he should fit the classic 4th line role as well. I hope we see the minutes divided up like this; 1st line 17 minutes 2nd line 16 minutes 3rd line 14 minutes 4th line 13 minutes Rodin will be on the PK for sure and 2nd powerplay at least. ...oh and I don't think we should move Dorsett until we see if we need his truculence... Rolling 4 lines is a pipe dream zero teams actually roll four lines and the reason is because skill players need more ice time to get into the game. Look at the playoffs this year. Every team has a top line that avg. over 19 minutes as we as a fourth line that plays under 12. You want your best players playing in situations that help you win. I guess we will have to wait and see but i'd put money on 3 out of the 9 players I mentioned moved prior to the start of the 2018 season. Rodin is the guy I'd see at the top of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E. Lindros Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I am hopeful rodin gets another shot with the canucks. In any recent interviews has linden or benning been asked about bringig rodin back or about offering him a contract? Rodin has skill, would like to see him healthy and see what he can do...here is hoping we see him in the fall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I can't find the article now but Rodin was quoted this month as saying his knee is almost 100% now since his surgery in Feb., the prognosis is really good as well. Rodin will be on the team next year....book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 I don't see why signing him to another one year, "show me" deal is a bad thing. He clearly wants to be here, might as well see what he can do when he's healthy and not rushed into the lineup. If he has a good season, he is of the age where he could be dealt at the deadline for a mid round pick. I see Rodin on the team next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: I can't find the article now but Rodin was quoted this month as saying his knee is almost 100% now since his surgery in Feb., the prognosis is really good as well. Rodin will be on the team next year....book it. He coming 27 though. If TL is being honest about us rebuilding, why do we sign Rodin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alflives said: He coming 27 though. If TL is being honest about us rebuilding, why do we sign Rodin? Well....No...it's why did we sign a (then) 31 year old Erikkson....a 27 ( he is 26 until November) year old Rodin has 4-5 prime years left. No one here wants a team of 22 year olds....the kids need role models and once the Sedins are gone (likely this year), Rodin will be one of the only guys pulling off that role....it certainly won't be Erikkson and Sutter isn't consistent enough. Rodin is a hard working, smart back checking, puck stealing, saucer dishing machine .... he has the work ethic and the smarts to be a perfect role model. He comes in healthy ....he may end up rejuvenating the Sedins and the 3 of them put up 70-80 points each....ya...I said it...and I put a 30-50 % chance of that happening as well...but I see him more as a middle 6 do it all, high +/- type of player, my lineup for year after next: Baer / Bo / Boeser Dahlen or Granlund / Vilardi or Glass / Rodin or Goldy Granlund / Sutter or Dahlen / Goldy or Rodin Virtanen / Gaunce / Dorsett or Erikkson Juolevi / Stecher Hutton / Gudbranson Subban or Sbisa / Tanev ...sorry for the long winded reply... Edited May 13, 2017 by Rollieo Del Fuego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 19 hours ago, Alflives said: He coming 27 though. If TL is being honest about us rebuilding, why do we sign Rodin? Because he is another chip to deal if necessary. He is at the upper end of the timeline but still has something to prove. If he does then he could bring back something to the org when the time is right. Canuck forward group is no where close to being big enough. Choices will have to be made as the group develops as to who has to be dealt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 I really liked what I saw from Rodin in the pre-season and I hope he is given another shot. I know it was just the pre-season but he looked like he had another gear out there offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ryan Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 On 5/9/2017 at 11:12 AM, ForsbergTheGreat said: Eriksson and two others.....Granlund hasn't been good at all as a center, and Dahlen played wing for the last year. We are likely selecting a center this year in the draft anyways, be it Glass, Vilardi or mittelstadt. Even if we say the twins retire at the end of this year, try figuring out a top 9 roster for the 2018 season ______ Horvat ______ ______ Sutter ______ ______ Vilardi ______ Fill in the blanks. Dahlen, Rodin, Eriksson, Baertschi, Virtanen, Granlund, Goldobin, Boeser. If the sedins don't retire, that means we lose two more spots. Trades are going to have to happen in order to fit, two of the players I've listed are likely on their way out. Looking at this, I'd say Baer - Horvat - Boeser Granlund - Sutter - Eriksson Dahlen - Vilardi (I'd take Glass over him, but that's just personal preference) - Goldobin That leaves Virt and Rodin. I would actually be a little surprised if Rodin was here for the '18-19 season, hence no slot for him. Virt goes 4th line, but is available to slot in higher whenever there is an absence. That's just my opinion. Goldy and Eriksson are interchangeable, Eriksson seeing more defensive situations until Goldy either: 1) shows better two way play 2) becomes so valuable offensively that his D can be "overlooked", or 3) one of he or Eriksson is gone. By this time, Eriksson contract will be half done. The Twins are likely retired or somewhere else, Honey Badger's contract is off the books, leaving us with two slots available to us for contract absorption after a trade. 3 years @ 3M yearly would certainly be more palatable to a potential buyer that 6M yearly. I'm just a little leery of what happens when Luongo finally hangs it up, and the settlement we will be on the hooks for could cripple us for a year or two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, Father Ryan said: Looking at this, I'd say Baer - Horvat - Boeser Granlund - Sutter - Eriksson Dahlen - Vilardi (I'd take Glass over him, but that's just personal preference) - Goldobin That leaves Virt and Rodin. I would actually be a little surprised if Rodin was here for the '18-19 season, hence no slot for him. Virt goes 4th line, but is available to slot in higher whenever there is an absence. That's just my opinion. Goldy and Eriksson are interchangeable, Eriksson seeing more defensive situations until Goldy either: 1) shows better two way play 2) becomes so valuable offensively that his D can be "overlooked", or 3) one of he or Eriksson is gone. By this time, Eriksson contract will be half done. The Twins are likely retired or somewhere else, Honey Badger's contract is off the books, leaving us with two slots available to us for contract absorption after a trade. 3 years @ 3M yearly would certainly be more palatable to a potential buyer that 6M yearly. I'm just a little leery of what happens when Luongo finally hangs it up, and the settlement we will be on the hooks for could cripple us for a year or two. Rodin will be skating circles around Erikkson ... I think Erikkson better learn how to play on the 4th line, I don't see a spot for him otherwise. There is a chance he regains some of his scoring touch but realistically it is now only down hill for him. Trade Erikkson for another bad (goalie?) contract ...just less money/term...a goalie like Niemi would be of more use (as a back-up) than Erikkson for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 6 hours ago, Boudrias said: Because he is another chip to deal if necessary. He is at the upper end of the timeline but still has something to prove. If he does then he could bring back something to the org when the time is right. Canuck forward group is no where close to being big enough. Choices will have to be made as the group develops as to who has to be dealt. Good point. You're saying a one year deal, so we can trade him at the coming TDL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 On 5/13/2017 at 2:54 PM, Alflives said: He coming 27 though. If TL is being honest about us rebuilding, why do we sign Rodin? On 5/8/2017 at 2:43 PM, J.R. said: I'm guessing Boeser is ahead of Goldy... Baer, Horvat, Eriksson Sedin, Sedin, Granlund Rodin, UFA?, Boeser (sheltered ozone line) Gaunce (ED?), Sutter, Dorsett (matchup dzone line) Cramarossa Keep Virtanen, Goldobin, (hopefully) Dahlen etc in Utica with lots of gym time, coaching, building chemistry and dominating offensively. They can get regular call ups with injuries. At the TDL we pump and dump Rodin and trade that 3C UFA, and Dorsett for prospects/picks and call up the kids. When the season's over they can go back down and try to win a Calder. #Succession plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, J.R. said: Sounds like a good plan, but is Rodin the kind of player who gets picked up at TDLs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sounds like a good plan, but is Rodin the kind of player who gets picked up at TDLs? If he has a good season on a sheltered offensive line on a surely cheap contract? Yes. Cheap, fast, scoring depth. Gee, what playoff or bubble team would want that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire_Spiky Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sounds like a good plan, but is Rodin the kind of player who gets picked up at TDLs? That will depend on him. If he can have a bounce back season next year and look anything like the SEL MVP from a couple seasons ago then teams will be calling come TDL. If he doesn't then we only have him for 1 year and he adds some depth to our team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 1 hour ago, J.R. said: If he has a good season on a sheltered offensive line on a surely cheap contract? Yes. Cheap, fast, scoring depth. Gee, what playoff or bubble team would want that? A bubble team would be the best too. Then whatever pick we get would (likely) come in the middle of a round, rather than the end. I still, however, see guys (most often) picked up at TDLs as the gritty two-way players. Even a guy like Vrbata had no interest with a good season this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 You guys are all excited about building Rodin up ( he will do it on his own anyway ) and then flogging him for a "middle of a round" pick...seriously....if Detroit had done that with Datsyuk they would have never won as many Stanley Cups or even be considered a role model of how to do it. Rodin has some of Daysyuk's skills...he back-checks the puck away from people...he nutmegs people in traffic, he can pass and shoot and like you guys said he will be on a cheap contract....only reason to trade him is if the plan is to dive to top five again....OR ....maybe if there is Massive overpayment...i.e. Two first round picks and a quality prospect...at least. ....just watch... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: You guys are all excited about building Rodin up ( he will do it on his own anyway ) and then flogging him for a "middle of a round" pick...seriously....if Detroit had done that with Datsyuk they would have never won as many Stanley Cups or even be considered a role model of how to do it. Canuck fans have been brainwashed by the idiots over at Team 1040 over the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 26 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: You guys are all excited about building Rodin up ( he will do it on his own anyway ) and then flogging him for a "middle of a round" pick...seriously....if Detroit had done that with Datsyuk they would have never won as many Stanley Cups or even be considered a role model of how to do it. Rodin has some of Daysyuk's skills...he back-checks the puck away from people...he nutmegs people in traffic, he can pass and shoot and like you guys said he will be on a cheap contract....only reason to trade him is if the plan is to dive to top five again....OR ....maybe if there is Massive overpayment...i.e. Two first round picks and a quality prospect...at least. ....just watch... He either represents a decent depth scorer where we move him (for more than mid round picks). Or he proves a better option than Baer for the near future and we move Baer instead. Neither should be in our long term plans IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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