Spectacular Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I've been a huge fan of Rodin since he was drafted and I really enjoy watching the guy play. He's offensively gifted and willing to go into the dirty areas. Throw him with the Sedin's for a preseason game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niloc009 Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Rodin is also much better in his own end than Grabner is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirooo Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Love his skill and speed reminds me of Loui Ericksson(spelling?) but i believe he will be a great 2nd line winger with ability to move up in the line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Rodin is also much better in his own end than Grabner is That has yet to be seen. Grabner really worked on his defensive game in Manitoba and has actually shown he has a good defensive side. And he PKs in New York because of his speed (just like Raymond) here. It is likely Rodin will be better defensively, because it's likely that he'll be better at battling along the boards because he's known to be a bit tougher than Grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanford Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 That has yet to be seen. Grabner really worked on his defensive game in Manitoba and has actually shown he has a good defensive side. And he PKs in New York because of his speed (just like Raymond) here. It is likely Rodin will be better defensively, because it's likely that he'll be better at battling along the boards because he's known to be a bit tougher than Grabs. Lets hope we don't trade Rodin when he starts showing some promise. I will never forgive Gillis for trading Grabner... the kid was just there... you could see the talent... he was never given a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckRow Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Lets hope we don't trade Rodin when he starts showing some promise. I will never forgive Gillis for trading Grabner... the kid was just there... you could see the talent... he was never given a chance. I fully agree, although, I dont believe his thought process included Grabner not having that skill. It seems more as he saw what Grabner had, but you have to give up something to get, and management clearly felt Ballard would have been that player that he was in Florida and practically make our defence full of top line dmen. I'm shooting for a rebound season for Ballard and seeing some good things with him and Tanev on that back pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) Lets hope we don't trade Rodin when he starts showing some promise. I will never forgive Gillis for trading Grabner... the kid was just there... you could see the talent... he was never given a chance. You may have defended Grabner when he was here, I can't remember. If you did, you and I were in the minority. The truth is, most people on this site thought he was a bust and were constantly including him in trade proposals. (kind of like they're doing with Hodgson now) Funny how so many people were willing to throw him away in trade packages before he broke out. Then Gillis does and now everyone's whining how we should have never traded him. Let this just be a lesson to not give up on players too soon. Rodin will be a great player, but he might need some time to get there. Be patient! Edited September 16, 2011 by DeNiro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) Hate to turn this into a Grabner/Islanders Talk, but I'm going to continue the trend of going off-topic here for a bit. Anyone else think that the Islanders are building a serious core now that Tavares has signed and committed long-term? Personally I think Grabner should get to ride shotgun with JT and Okposo. Grabner is a RW but shoots left, so he should be able to play the left side. Islanders top-6 in 2-3 years might look like this: Grabner - Tavares - Okposo Moulson - Strome - Bailey That's pretty solid. JT is a standup guy for sticking with his team. He just might be able to revive the Islanders organization. I won't post the article but just the link - because it isn't Canucks Talk - it's a pretty good read on JT and shows just how CRIMINALLY underrated this guy is right now. http://blogs.theprov...-get-some-help/ The Forgotten 1st overall drafted between two dynamic studs in Stamkos and Hall. His character and poise reminds me so much of Sid the Kid - and this maturity I think is what will differentiate Tavares from Stamkos and Hall. He's had a slower start in comparison to both 1st overalls that sandwiched him, but Stamkos had Lecavalier and St. Louis, and Hall had Hemsky, Eberle, Gagner and Paajarvi. So much better supporting cast than Tavares, while he quickly became forgotten in the Long Island. In the end, though, Tavares will be the best out of the three. Watch out for JT this year. IF he finally gets to play with decent linemates in a healthy Okposo and Grabner, he will break out. Sleeper hockey pool pick this year. Take him. WOO. Back to Rodin. He said in his post-game interview after his beauty goal vs SJ that he had a lot more to show. I also wish that Rodin would get a pre-season game with the Sedins. WOULD LOVE to see a all-Swede line - would do wonders for Rodin's development too, to play with two of the best fowards from his home country in the game right now. Edited September 16, 2011 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectacular Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) Hate to turn this into a Grabner/Islanders Talk, but I'm going to continue the trend of going off-topic here for a bit. Anyone else think that the Islanders are building a serious core now that Tavares has signed and committed long-term? Personally I think Grabner should get to ride shotgun with JT and Okposo. Grabner is a RW but shoots left, so he should be able to play the left side. Islanders top-6 in 2-3 years might look like this: Grabner - Tavares - Okposo Moulson - Strome - Bailey That's pretty solid. JT is a standup guy for sticking with his team. He just might be able to revive the Islanders organization. I won't post the article but just the link - because it isn't Canucks Talk - it's a pretty good read on JT and shows just how CRIMINALLY underrated this guy is right now. http://blogs.theprov...-get-some-help/ The Forgotten 1st overall drafted between two dynamic studs in Stamkos and Hall. His character and poise reminds me so much of Sid the Kid - and this maturity I think is what will differentiate Tavares from Stamkos and Hall. He's had a slower start in comparison to both 1st overalls that sandwiched him, but Stamkos had Lecavalier and St. Louis, and Hall had Hemsky, Eberle, Gagner and Paajarvi. So much better supporting cast than Tavares, while he quickly became forgotten in the Long Island. In the end, though, Tavares will be the best out of the three. Watch out for JT this year. IF he finally gets to play with decent linemates in a healthy Okposo and Grabner, he will break out. Sleeper hockey pool pick this year. Take him. WOO. Back to Rodin. He said in his post-game interview after his beauty goal vs SJ that he had a lot more to show. I also wish that Rodin would get a pre-season game with the Sedins. WOULD LOVE to see a all-Swede line - would do wonders for Rodin's development too, to play with two of the best fowards from his home country in the game right now. You're still missing Nino and potentially Kabanov Just goes to show how lethal their players can potentially become Edited September 16, 2011 by Spectacular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 You're still missing Nino and potentially Kabanov Just goes to show how lethal their players can potentially become OH MY...I am... That would be scary indeed. JT was the centerpiece though. They needed to sign him, and they did. HUGE step towards redemption for NYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) Yeah, Dasein, definitely don't forget about Nino. Or Blake Comeau for that matter... Or Nielsen Moulson - Tavares - Okposo <--- Tavares is the only reason Moulson had sucess, so might as well keep him there. El Nino - Bailey - Grabner <-- One of those lines that just have all the components, Nino with the edge and size, Bailey with the 2-way play and playmaking ability and Grabs with the sniper-age. Kabanov - Strome - Comeau <-- Two highly skilled players with a good 2-way guy who can do some of the dirty work (not that Kabanov can't). Nielsen - Reasoner - Martin <-- Well, Nielsen is way too good to be on the 4th line, but if all these prospects work out.. he might end up there. With de Haan coming up and combining with Streit, they'll probably have a lethal PP too. Just need Dipietro to put up some healthy seasons, and who knows, maybe he'll mysteriously start to get really healthy once the team starts to get really good. Edited September 16, 2011 by Thomas Gradin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Yeah, Dasein, definitely don't forget about Nino. Or Blake Comeau for that matter... Or Nielsen Moulson - Tavares - Okposo <--- Tavares is the only reason Moulson had sucess, so might as well keep him there. El Nino - Bailey - Grabner <-- One of those lines that just have all the components, Nino with the edge and size, Bailey with the 2-way play and playmaking ability and Grabs with the sniper-age. Kabanov - Strome - Comeau <-- Two highly skilled players with a good 2-way guy who can do some of the dirty work (not that Kabanov can't). Nielsen - Reasoner - Martin <-- Well, Nielsen is way too good to be on the 4th line, but if all these prospects work out.. he might end up there. With de Haan coming up and combining with Streit, they'll probably have a lethal PP too. Just need Dipietro to put up some healthy seasons, and who knows, maybe he'll mysteriously start to get really healthy once the team starts to get really good. LOL yeah, well, it'd be about time DiPietro showed some glimpses of why he was taken #1 overall, and moved Luongo out of New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Yeah, Dasein, definitely don't forget about Nino. Or Blake Comeau for that matter... Or Nielsen Moulson - Tavares - Okposo <--- Tavares is the only reason Moulson had sucess, so might as well keep him there. El Nino - Bailey - Grabner <-- One of those lines that just have all the components, Nino with the edge and size, Bailey with the 2-way play and playmaking ability and Grabs with the sniper-age. Kabanov - Strome - Comeau <-- Two highly skilled players with a good 2-way guy who can do some of the dirty work (not that Kabanov can't). Nielsen - Reasoner - Martin <-- Well, Nielsen is way too good to be on the 4th line, but if all these prospects work out.. he might end up there. With de Haan coming up and combining with Streit, they'll probably have a lethal PP too. Just need Dipietro to put up some healthy seasons, and who knows, maybe he'll mysteriously start to get really healthy once the team starts to get really good. Kabanov is a head case and doesn't have the drive to make it in the NHL. He'll likely sign some big contract in the KHL and we won't see him again. They've definitely got the makings of a serious offensive core though. Maybe a little bit too soft, but they've got a ton of speed and skill. They still need to add to their defensive core and get a serious goaltender in there, and then they're set. The question is, do they get to that point before the team goes under or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 When did this turn into the NYI thread? Whatever. Strome - Tavares - Niederreiter Grabner - Bailey - Okposo Top 6 in a few years, unless they get a few more top 5 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Kabanov is a head case and doesn't have the drive to make it in the NHL. He'll likely sign some big contract in the KHL and we won't see him again. They've definitely got the makings of a serious offensive core though. Maybe a little bit too soft, but they've got a ton of speed and skill. They still need to add to their defensive core and get a serious goaltender in there, and then they're set. The question is, do they get to that point before the team goes under or not. That's what I'm saying too. But with JT locked up for the next 7 seasons, they have a good chance of getting to that point. They now have a young franchise player who is committed. I think JT is going to turn things around in NYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 You may have defended Grabner when he was here, I can't remember. If you did, you and I were in the minority. The truth is, most people on this site thought he was a bust and were constantly including him in trade proposals. (kind of like they're doing with Hodgson now) Funny how so many people were willing to throw him away in trade packages before he broke out. Then Gillis does and now everyone's whining how we should have never traded him. Let this just be a lesson to not give up on players too soon. Rodin will be a great player, but he might need some time to get there. Be patient! Coming off his draft year Grabner had some question marks in Spokane. IMO he demonstrated in Manitoba that he could become a pro. I think most fans could see in his short time with the Canucks that the potential was there for him to be a top 6 player. I think the decision that MG had to make was whether waiting for Grabner to break out or acquire a top 4 dman that the club could use immediately. Did MG know whether Bieksa would come back as strong as he did? I can agree that the casual fan can bail on developing players far to early. Your example of Hodgson is bang on. The other reality is that the Canucks probably have a 3 year window to win a CUP and I can see MG sacrificing some of his prospects to get the pieces that might make that happen in that time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinci Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Hate to turn this into a Grabner/Islanders Talk, but I'm going to continue the trend of going off-topic here for a bit. Anyone else think that the Islanders are building a serious core now that Tavares has signed and committed long-term? Personally I think Grabner should get to ride shotgun with JT and Okposo. Grabner is a RW but shoots left, so he should be able to play the left side. Islanders top-6 in 2-3 years might look like this: Grabner - Tavares - Okposo Moulson - Strome - Bailey That's pretty solid. JT is a standup guy for sticking with his team. He just might be able to revive the Islanders organization. I won't post the article but just the link - because it isn't Canucks Talk - it's a pretty good read on JT and shows just how CRIMINALLY underrated this guy is right now. http://blogs.theprov...-get-some-help/ The Forgotten 1st overall drafted between two dynamic studs in Stamkos and Hall. His character and poise reminds me so much of Sid the Kid - and this maturity I think is what will differentiate Tavares from Stamkos and Hall. He's had a slower start in comparison to both 1st overalls that sandwiched him, but Stamkos had Lecavalier and St. Louis, and Hall had Hemsky, Eberle, Gagner and Paajarvi. So much better supporting cast than Tavares, while he quickly became forgotten in the Long Island. In the end, though, Tavares will be the best out of the three. Watch out for JT this year. IF he finally gets to play with decent linemates in a healthy Okposo and Grabner, he will break out. Sleeper hockey pool pick this year. Take him. WOO. Back to Rodin. He said in his post-game interview after his beauty goal vs SJ that he had a lot more to show. I also wish that Rodin would get a pre-season game with the Sedins. WOULD LOVE to see a all-Swede line - would do wonders for Rodin's development too, to play with two of the best fowards from his home country in the game right now. I stopped commenting about 3 years ago until I read something absolutely stupid... then I'll comment in hopes of showing the rest of CDC who may have overlooked how retarded this comment is. Tavares better than stamkos and hall?? Come onnnn. That is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) I stopped commenting about 3 years ago until I read something absolutely stupid... then I'll comment in hopes of showing the rest of CDC who may have overlooked how retarded this comment is. Tavares better than stamkos and hall?? Come onnnn. That is all When Stamkos put up 42G50A92P in 63GP in the OHL in 2006-2007, Tavares put up 72G62A134P in 67GP. At the same age, Taylor Hall put up 45G39A84P in 63GP. When Stamkos put up 58G47A105P in 61GP in his draft year 2007-2008, Tavares put up 40G78A118P in 59GP. At the same age, Taylor Hall put up 38G52A90P in 63GP. When Stamkos put up 1G5A6P in 7 games in 2008 WJC, Tavares put up 4G1A5P in 7 games. Taylor Hall could not crack the 2009 WJC squad. So it's not that ridiculous to suggest that John Tavares will be better than Stamkos and Hall. He already was in juniors. The thing that differentiates and makes Stamkos and Hall look much better than Tavares is their dynamic speed. Same thing happened with Ovechkin and Crosby. In the beginning, Ovechkin seemed to be the better player of the two, as he possessed the dynamic speed that Crosby did not possess. This allowed Ovechkin to adjust and play his game better than Crosby in the beginning. But eventually, Crosby's skills took over, and it was clear by last season who the best player in the world was - Crosby. Tavares is going to be better than Stamkos and Hall. These guys rely on their speed and that allows them to be successful faster. However, they are one-trick ponies like Ovechkin. Tavares has to develop various skills in order to dominate at the NHL level like Crosby did - it is going to take him longer to adjust to the NHL than Stamkos or Hall because he doesn't possess the dynamic speed that those guys lean on. Crosby was already a level above Tavares when he entered the league, so I'm not saying Tavares will reach the level Crosby is at now - he never will. But it won't be long until Tavares reaches his potential - the level that Crosby was when he was 18 (100 point player). Tavares will never be as good as Crosby, because Crosby is simply the best. But Tavares will be better than Stamkos and Hall. Edited September 16, 2011 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Kabanov is a head case and doesn't have the drive to make it in the NHL. He'll likely sign some big contract in the KHL and we won't see him again. They've definitely got the makings of a serious offensive core though. Maybe a little bit too soft, but they've got a ton of speed and skill. They still need to add to their defensive core and get a serious goaltender in there, and then they're set. The question is, do they get to that point before the team goes under or not. Kabanov isn't really a headcase, he's had some troubles, but it's mostly his father who made it such a crazy situation. If King Kabanov was after the money, why wouldn't he go play in the KHL now? And if he didn't have any drive, why did he tie for 1st on his QMJHL in playoff points with 8 goals and 20 points in 15 games? Yeah, sure it took him a little while to adjust after missing most of a year of hockey, but he looks good again and he has a CRAZY amount of skills, at one point he was going to go 2nd or 3rd in his draft year. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he plays for the Islanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Kabanov isn't really a headcase, he's had some troubles, but it's mostly his father who made it such a crazy situation. If King Kabanov was after the money, why wouldn't he go play in the KHL now? And if he didn't have any drive, why did he tie for 1st on his QMJHL in playoff points with 8 goals and 20 points in 15 games? Yeah, sure it took him a little while to adjust after missing most of a year of hockey, but he looks good again and he has a CRAZY amount of skills, at one point he was going to go 2nd or 3rd in his draft year. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he plays for the Islanders. Yea, he was going to be a high first round pick, until GMs interviewed him and realized he had serious attitude problems. It's the same reason he got kicked off his national team. There's a long list of reports of bone headed hings this guy has done like missing practices, being late for the team bus, trashing his home country, refusing to play, jumping on the ice before his coach tells him. You can blame it on his dad all you want, but the kids 18 years old now. He shouldn't be this immature. It's clear that he believes that he is some sort of superstar, when really he's a nobody yet. I wouldn't want him on my team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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