J.I.A.H.N Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Now for those that care, I have posted this exact proposal on the HF Boards Vancouver - Colorado (Proposal) This is a major trade that meets both team weaknesses, and evens out those problems, allowing both teams to focus on BPA at the drafts, and UFA'sColorado trades Duchene, Jost, and a 2017 -2ndVancouver Trades Tanev, Juolevi The way I see it, is Duchene = Tanev and Jost and the 2nd = Juolevi Now,the Canucks may argue that Juolevi has a higher pedigree, but the truth is that this answers the 1st line center question for Vancouver for the next 5 years, and allows Jost to develop in a 3rd line position after next season. Colorado on the other hand, gets 2 top end defencemen, and this will allow them maximum freedom over the next couple of drafts to take forwards, having just rebuild their backend or take an elite Dman........either way, it puts Colorado in a much better rebuilding position.... Same goes for Vancouver, who would be solid down the middle, and have the freedom to draft a winger or Dman I think this is a fair trade going forward Colorado replaces Jost this draft with Nolan or Hischier or takes the Swedish Dman Liljegren, either way, they are way ahead of the game The Canuck's with the addition of Duchene, place higher in the standings, somewhere in the 14th OA pick to 20th OA pick Maybe I am wrong, but Duchene can't beat Tanev one on one, Tanev can't score....I think it is even........ What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Canucks have never had a number one defenceman in the last 47 years, and they potentially finally got one in Juolevi, and you're suggesting to trade him? He has played zero pro games. I would put him as one of the untouchables alongside Horvat and Boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I think since I'm gritting my teeth right now your probably on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 After I read Joulovi, my eye started twitching. Didn't read the rest No! 32 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Canucks have never had a number one defenceman in the last 47 years, and they potentially finally got one in Juolevi, and you're suggesting to trade him? Like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strombone Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 There's a reason why Sakic wants to get rid of Duchene. Duchene is a Top line centre on most teams, but he isn't the type the take over a game (like Bo). Sure Matt is an elite player with a high level skillset, but I don't know if he has that "BEAST mode switch" some players have when it comes to the playoffs or high-pressure games. Sakic himself was a Franchise centerman, so I think he'd know a thing or two about what it takes to compete in this league at that position. And he knows that McKinnon is their guy. Maybe Tanev + for Duchene. But not OJ. No way Jose. Maybe if it was for McKinnon, but it'd probably take more than just OJ and Tanman++. IMO, Duchene's style of play is better suited for the wing. I'd rather see another dominant two-way player to play centre like Horvat, or Horvat himself on our top line in the future. Duchene on his wing though? I'd be down. And MD isn't exactly a Benning type player. Besides, we're winning lots of games with Tanev in the lineup. Don't fix it if it ain't you know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 So where does he fit? I like this trade for the record. Henrik Bo Sutter Duchene Granlund Jost is a good problem to have down the middle don't get me wrong. I get Henrik only has another season and a half to go before expiration so that will help. Whats the plan for expansion here? We are now exposing both Granlund and Bae.... hence why I'm gritting my teeth thinking about your proposal. Though I like that it protects Sbisa who has been in expendable this season. Just trying to envision a line up here... Sedinz Duchene Bae Bo Hansen (We loose Bae to expansion and plug Virtanen in) Granlund Sutter Eriksson Dorse Gaunce Burr Boucher Chaput Rodin Edler Stetcher Sbisa Gud Hutton Tryamkin Pedan Biega Subban I'm really conflicted about loosing Baer or Granlund in this deal as they have shown to be every bit as valuable as Jost and further along in their development. Though I really like Jost he's still a long ways away from being a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knucks16 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 4 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Now for those that care, I have posted this exact proposal on the HF Boards Vancouver - Colorado (Proposal) This is a major trade that meets both team weaknesses, and evens out those problems, allowing both teams to focus on BPA at the drafts, and UFA'sColorado trades Duchene, Jost, and a 2017 -2ndVancouver Trades Tanev, Juolevi The way I see it, is Duchene = Tanev and Jost and the 2nd = Juolevi Now,the Canucks may argue that Juolevi has a higher pedigree, but the truth is that this answers the 1st line center question for Vancouver for the next 5 years, and allows Jost to develop in a 3rd line position after next season. Colorado on the other hand, gets 2 top end defencemen, and this will allow them maximum freedom over the next couple of drafts to take forwards, having just rebuild their backend or take an elite Dman........either way, it puts Colorado in a much better rebuilding position.... Same goes for Vancouver, who would be solid down the middle, and have the freedom to draft a winger or Dman I think this is a fair trade going forward Colorado replaces Jost this draft with Nolan or Hischier or takes the Swedish Dman Liljegren, either way, they are way ahead of the game The Canuck's with the addition of Duchene, place higher in the standings, somewhere in the 14th OA pick to 20th OA pick Maybe I am wrong, but Duchene can't beat Tanev one on one, Tanev can't score....I think it is even........ What do you think? joulevi is definitely a keeper that's for sure;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Not gonna flame too badly because this isn't totally ridiculous compared to most garbage in this forum - but at the same time, this isn't happening - ever. Colorado will finish so low this year their 2nd will be like a first essentially. Even in a weak draft class that makes this deal one-sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, PlanB said: Not gonna flame too badly because this isn't totally ridiculous compared to most garbage in this forum - but at the same time, this isn't happening - ever. Colorado will finish so low this year their 2nd will be like a first essentially. Even in a weak draft class that makes this deal one-sided. In a weak draft isn't a 2nd more like a 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Are the mods on vacation or something? This is what, like the 10,000th thread started with a proposal to get either Duchene, Landeskog or MacKinnon from Colorado. Maybe the search function is disabled right now...no idea. But c'mon people enough is enough. Here's a thought...if you think you have a new idea regarding a trade for one of those three from Colorado...you don't. It's all been said...and most of it quite recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Here is my point from the Canucks view Duchene slides into LW where Granlund is presently for now, if Hank and Dank resign, he stays there for 2 more years, by that time Jost is well on his way, Horvat in this time moves into a 1st line roll, and the Sedins can move down into a 3rd line roll, Jost can play winger for them. Don't forget Broeser is on his way, and Hansen still has some more to give..........I think this is a solid line up of youth and experience, and with a future. Our Dmen, have really moved forward, and Joulevi has should this year, that although he is a solid player, he is not a driver of offense and needs talent around him to shine, both at the OHL and Junior level. And it is not that I don't like him or think he isn't a good player, but he measures out as a #2 and not an elite #1, the second will be very high and we may have to add a 3rd or 4th to even it out. When the draft comes, we are in a position to draft BPA, with no pressure , with veterans to move if we want to move up, as for moving Juolevi, it is a risk no doubt, but this trades moves us up in our rebuild years Baer/Bo/Broeser Duchene/Sutter/Erikkson Dan/Hank/Hansen Granlund/Jost/Burrows looks pretty good, even without our 2017 or 2018 draft picks in it or any signings NCAA signing Benning can pull off I seriously think this is a different Tanev-Duchene proposal........and as Hammertime said, it makes your teeth grind, because it hurts and improves us short and long term, which should be a sign that it has a decent valuation. If you don't like it, that's cool, but we stay totally competitive, and have only lost 1 year, in looking for another Dmen prospect, and again whether he is a pick or free agent NCAA signing, or a UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ojibwa72 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Not too far out of the realm and Sakic may be looking for something of this nature as I'm sure he's feeling the stress right now from all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyndall2 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Don't think he is a #1 defenseman! We need tough D men who will separate the puck from the opposing forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, Tyndall2 said: Don't think he is a #1 defenseman! We need tough D men who will separate the puck from the opposing forwards. Isn't Juiolevi rather tall already, and just needs to fill out, then he will be big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 20 minutes ago, Tyndall2 said: Don't think he is a #1 defenseman! We need tough D men who will separate the puck from the opposing forwards. Isn't Juiolevi rather tall already, and just needs to fill out, then he will be big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Tanev for Landeskog, straight trade. We need the top 6 talent, and Colorado won't find a better D than Tanev from any other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, S'all Good Man said: Tanev for Landeskog, straight trade. We need the top 6 talent, and Colorado won't find a better D than Tanev from any other team. Do you remember the last time we traded for a captain of another team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 17 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Do you remember the last time we traded for a captain of another team? I'm not 100% certain but I believe you are referring to Moose. If you are if you are thats a pretty strong comparison to make. That being said if we acquired a 24 year old Mess I wonder how many banners would be hanging from our rafters. Who know's Moose might have even been a hero in Bizaro world Vancouver. I'm gonna go have a shower I feel dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Do you remember the last time we traded for a captain of another team? I do... but my sense is Landeskog doesn't have the lofty ego of the moose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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