73 Percent Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Typically not one for trade proposals but I've been thinking about this one for a while. Toronto gets Tanev Vancouver gets Kasperi Kapanen 2017 2nd Why Vancouver does this This is a move for the future. After the last couple years of drafting many defensman we have a surplus in up and comers. All the while our forward prospect depth is lacking. Why Toronto does this It's been rumored that Toronto is looking to move Kapanen for a defenseman. Tanev had a great showing with Reilly at the wold championship this past year so there is already some chemistry. Like I said I'm not usually a trade proposal guy but I'm still interested in what you guys think. Have at 'er. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Not sure why, but I feel the Canucks need some more. Refreshing in the sense that this is one proposal where the other GM doesn't hang up laughing, but I think the Canucks could get a little more. Either a slight upgrade in prospect, or upgrade in pick (even if it means the Canucks add a later pick), or another pick, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted January 12, 2017 Author Share Posted January 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Not sure why, but I feel the Canucks need some more. Refreshing in the sense that this is one proposal where the other GM doesn't hang up laughing, but I think the Canucks could get a little more. Either a slight upgrade in prospect, or upgrade in pick (even if it means the Canucks add a later pick), or another pick, etc. Admittedly I am pretty high on kappanen so your assessment is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: Typically not one for trade proposals but I've been thinking about this one for a while. Toronto gets Tanev Vancouver gets Kasperi Kapanen 2017 2nd Why Vancouver does this This is a move for the future. After the last couple years of drafting many defensman we have a surplus in up and comers. All the while our forward prospect depth is lacking. Why Toronto does this It's been rumored that Toronto is looking to move Kapanen for a defenseman. Tanev had a great showing with Reilly at the wold championship this past year so there is already some chemistry. Like I said I'm not usually a trade proposal guy but I'm still interested in what you guys think. Have at 'er. I like it, I think both teams could have serious discussions on this one and would benefit both teams. All Canadian Trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 At least your valuation on Tanev isn't ridiculous. I think its fair. Where I stumble here is with where I see Kasper fitting on this team especially once Boeser arrives. Overall though I like it we could use more shooters. Im assuming it wouldn't be their sharks 2nd were talikn Toronto's 2nd likely in the 38th overall range. Ya i'd do it. Not for the Sharks 2nd though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluralsight Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Am I the only one who thinks the Canucks get shafted in this? Make it a 1st and it would be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Just the thought of Benning trading with Lamoriello sounds terrifying to me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I like it and think it's fair. But I do agree with Wilbur that Shanny would have to sweeten the pot. My only concern would be whether moving Christopher would mean that Guddy gets re-signed. Admittedly, I'm not a big fan of that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, pluralsight said: Am I the only one who thinks the Canucks get shafted in this? Make it a 1st and it would be fair. Considering the Larsen/Hall trade, Tanev is worth Landeskog. And why on God's green earth would we gift Toronto exactly what they need? You sir poster are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 59 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: Typically not one for trade proposals but I've been thinking about this one for a while. Toronto gets Tanev Vancouver gets Kasperi Kapanen 2017 2nd Why Vancouver does this This is a move for the future. After the last couple years of drafting many defensman we have a surplus in up and comers. All the while our forward prospect depth is lacking. Why Toronto does this It's been rumored that Toronto is looking to move Kapanen for a defenseman. Tanev had a great showing with Reilly at the wold championship this past year so there is already some chemistry. Like I said I'm not usually a trade proposal guy but I'm still interested in what you guys think. Have at 'er. Why would the Canucks throw away such an asset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluralsight Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Considering the Larsen/Hall trade, Tanev is worth Landeskog. And why on God's green earth would we gift Toronto exactly what they need? You sir poster are correct. Yes, this seems like a let's trade Tanev for whatever we can get kind of deal. Tanev would be a top pairing guy on a lot of teams and that would include the Laffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I think that we are trading a first pairing right shot defenseman who is one of the best shut down guys in the NHL. I think the value is low. Kapanen is a great prospect but I would go for Nylander. I think he is a better, more proven prospect. I think that, much like with Adam Larson, Tanev is a tough guy to come by and it better be good if we are giving him up. Tanev and Gaunce For Nylander, Bracco, and a 2nd Keep in mind, Tanev and Reilly played great together and will be a first pairing d for them for 7 years or more. The leafs have plenty of skilled fast forward prospects but they don't have anyone like Tanev or even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 48 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said: I like it, I think both teams could have serious discussions on this one and would benefit both teams. All Canadian Trade Over 20 years without a championship. I think it would be good for Canadian teams to work viable trades to help each other improve(fu bettman) as much as I hate TO habs and Cal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 People need to stop quoting the Hall trade like that has any impact on other trades. It was a case of a team having a very specific need and want who had the expendable assets to over pay with. If Tanev gets moved I would be flabbergasted if the return was anywhere close to a player of Hall's quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misconduct16 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Reading the replies here I think a lot of you are seriously underestimating Kapanen. If he wasn't in a Toronto organization stacked with young talent he would definitely be in the NHL. The fact that the terms 'fast' and 'dynamic' are used about his game frequently are exactly what the Canucks need... especially with recent drafts choosing size and then position over skill. This year he is legitimately ripping apart the AHL. 32 points in 32 games. I would love to see someone of his skilled pedigree in a Canucks uniform. As far as everyone continually comparing trading Tanev to the Larsson for Hall trade... STOP. Regardless of the fact that Larsson is 3 years younger and has a much higher ceiling, the Devils were able to take advantage of a team desperate to find a defenceman. They wanted to move RNH or Eberle but noone was willing to give up a young top 4 D for either of them. I'd be more inclined to consider the Kulikov trade an equivalent comparison... A decent young defenceman and a 3rd round pick (and swap 2nds). Essentially, I think getting Kapanen and a 2nd for Tanev is basically bang on for value... we may even be getting a good deal. Thinking we'll get Landeskog or Duchene etc for Tanev is entirely unrealistic. Now to the 'is it worth making this trade'... I think the answer is yes. Despite best efforts otherwise, canucks are actually fairly deep in middle pairing defensemen right now... and despite his continual overvaluing by Canucks fans Tanev is at best a #2 defenceman (no physicality or offence). Unless Edler is able to be moved, we actually may start having a bit of a logjam in the defence for getting the younger guys minutes... so getting a potential top line (or likely 2nd line) winger to sit with Horvat or with Sutter and develop with the team for the future would be a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, qwijibo said: People need to stop quoting the Hall trade like that has any impact on other trades. It was a case of a team having a very specific need and want who had the expendable assets to over pay with. If Tanev gets moved I would be flabbergasted if the return was anywhere close to a player of Hall's quality. You are exactly right. Chiarelli traded Hall to get more eyes on RNH (who by all accounts is still available). Hall for Larsen is a one of not the trend. Business does come into factor as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 30 minutes ago, Misconduct16 said: Reading the replies here I think a lot of you are seriously underestimating Kapanen. If he wasn't in a Toronto organization stacked with young talent he would definitely be in the NHL. The fact that the terms 'fast' and 'dynamic' are used about his game frequently are exactly what the Canucks need... especially with recent drafts choosing size and then position over skill. This year he is legitimately ripping apart the AHL. 32 points in 32 games. I would love to see someone of his skilled pedigree in a Canucks uniform. As far as everyone continually comparing trading Tanev to the Larsson for Hall trade... STOP. Regardless of the fact that Larsson is 3 years younger and has a much higher ceiling, the Devils were able to take advantage of a team desperate to find a defenceman. They wanted to move RNH or Eberle but noone was willing to give up a young top 4 D for either of them. I'd be more inclined to consider the Kulikov trade an equivalent comparison... A decent young defenceman and a 3rd round pick (and swap 2nds). Essentially, I think getting Kapanen and a 2nd for Tanev is basically bang on for value... we may even be getting a good deal. Thinking we'll get Landeskog or Duchene etc for Tanev is entirely unrealistic. Now to the 'is it worth making this trade'... I think the answer is yes. Despite best efforts otherwise, canucks are actually fairly deep in middle pairing defensemen right now... and despite his continual overvaluing by Canucks fans Tanev is at best a #2 defenceman (no physicality or offence). Unless Edler is able to be moved, we actually may start having a bit of a logjam in the defence for getting the younger guys minutes... so getting a potential top line (or likely 2nd line) winger to sit with Horvat or with Sutter and develop with the team for the future would be a win. I like Kapanen as well, he has some serious wheels. I would still want something added on top though, maybe two 2nd round picks? I think Toronto still has the Sens pick from the Phaneuf trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 If we are going to make a trade with Toronto, the asking price for me will either be Marner or Nylander. If not those two, then a Kapanen and a 1st, and a 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 2 hours ago, MJDDawg said: I like it and think it's fair. But I do agree with Wilbur that Shanny would have to sweeten the pot. My only concern would be whether moving Christopher would mean that Guddy gets re-signed. Admittedly, I'm not a big fan of that idea. They must have B prospect that we like, or a roster guy with a bit of contract. I'm just not sure how much better this makes us, though I've never seen Kapanen play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Here's my change Canucks: Tanev 2017 3rd Leafs: Kapanen 2017 1st 2017 2nd Tanev is worth slightly more than Kapanen and 2nd IMO, so if we add a 1st from the leafs and give them our 3rd, it balances out. Maybe we don't even need to give them our 3rd. Leafs could really use Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.