HerrDrFunk Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Yeah "may eventually" holds about as much weight as a moth's fart in a hurricane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I'm thinking he just got the forecast. Demand is declining a bit, so why bother to push for greater supply. "May eventually". We also "may eventually" create a man made carbon sink and deacidify the oceans in one swoop. Canadian John-John will give lip service and sit on his thumbs while attempting to full straddle the fence. The guy is full of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I guess for me I'd rather buy oil from Canada than a place that would take most of my daughters rights from her like Saudi Arabia. But thats me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 31 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: I guess for me I'd rather buy oil from Canada than a place that would take most of my daughters rights from her like Saudi Arabia. But thats me. +1 to you pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Everyone has known this for decades, however you and some others would rather keep our vast resources in the ground. That's silly, irresponsible and even Trudeau knows that. I assume you have know first hand knowledge of the oil industry at all. Folks like Forsberg, labamba and myself understand we will be transitioning to cleaner alternatives, however these things don't happen overnight. We need to keep extracting oil and selling it to invest in new technologies and greener futures. Look at the impact the oil slow down has had on Canada. You would like us to stop all together, that's crazy. Canada's oil industry is among the safest and most environmentally friendly in the World. No other Countries citizens try and hurt their Country like you and so many others do. It's sad really. But lets go cut down more trees right? Truth. Canada is a land of resources. Sectors like manufacturing, finance, and tech create jobs and we do these things pretty well, but not enough to compete economically on the world stage. What will make, and continue to make, Canada a wealthy country is our abundance of resources. Oil, trees, and soon fresh water. Clean energy wont come over night. If we invest in being as environmentally responsible as possible with our dirty energy and use those profits to invest in clean energy, we can be a world leader in the clean energy sector and start to phase out the oil sands over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The irony of a Trudeau making these statements when, had the original Trudeau managed to enact his NEP in the late 70's and early 80's we'd have been free of OPEC and the American grip on our energy prices is kind of amusing in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: So happy that all the celebrity visits to the Sludge pits in Alberta are finally getting their message out and change is about to happen.... Jane Fonda, Robert Kennedy , James Cameron ,Mark Ruffalo, Daryl Hannah, Julia Louis Dreyfus, Neil Young. Leonardo DiCaprio. Desmond Tuto , Robert Redford - WE owe you so much. Your visits have accomplished a great deal ! Canadians thank you. All these Celebrity Visits are clearly starting to turn the tide of opinion and make the Canadian Government rethink and change the way we are destroying our earth / environment with the extraction of Sludge Tar OIL for Bunker fuel.... So glad Justin Trudeau is a man of principle and willing to put Canada on the path to saving our environment. Great to finally have such a STRONG prime minister. Celebrate tonight everyone. GREAT NEWS. GREAT day. none...and I mean none have a fricken clue...most of all our illustrious PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, Warhippy said: The irony of a Trudeau making these statements when, had the original Trudeau managed to enact his NEP in the late 70's and early 80's we'd have been free of OPEC and the American grip on our energy prices is kind of amusing in the long run. Hippy..you are trying to be nice to this tool by giving most who voted for him an out.....tell it like it is...the guy is a fricken waste of space.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I wonder if people realize that the tar sands was already causing environmental harm even before we stuck a shovel in it. The reason we started extracting the oil from the sand was the fact it was at the very surface we stand on. Yes, the extraction process causes major C02 emmissions. But the tar sands themselves have been there for a long time venting off and adding hydrocarbon vapours to our atmosphere for millions of years. Same goes for natural gas deposits, people complain about natural gas and the oil industry in general. But people don't realize that these formations have been "venting/off-gassing" out of rock formations and into our atmosphere continuously before humans were even, well human... What do you think volcano's are spewing out into our atmosphere...if you want to talk about a planet ender, volcano's can do the job quicker and easier than humans ever could. And how about all those lovely hot springs we like to visit and go for a swim in? What do you think that sulphurous smell is coming out of the water...hmmm? We live on a hydro carbon based planet, things decompose and break down into solid hydro carbon based matter (like composting) and the rest of decomposition is the release of methane gas into the atmosphere, has been happening way longer than human civilization has existed. Plus methane gas is worse than C02 for the heating effect it has on our planet. Cow farts, decomposing plant matter and animal matter, geological formations, etc, etc all add to the green house gas effect. To isolate the oil and gas industry and say that's the problem is not thinking very much into the subject. Cheers y'all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shotgun Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 6 hours ago, Warhippy said: The irony of a Trudeau making these statements when, had the original Trudeau managed to enact his NEP in the late 70's and early 80's we'd have been free of OPEC and the American grip on our energy prices is kind of amusing in the long run. Canada does not and will ever not set the price for a barrel of oil. The notion Canada could become it's own self sustaining energy nation is a pipe dream. We long ago lost our ability to refine a deliberate and calculated move by the energy giants. The time lag and the billions required to establish a domestic refining capacity is impossible. Oil is a global currency and we are just a supplier a huge one at that but still just a supplier. Do you think BP, Exxon, Royal Dutch Shell, and the Standard Oil group of companies would relinquish that ability...not a chance. Try to break away from that energy model and we are done. One phone call to the White House regardless of who is prez and our skies will be filled with parachutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The environmental impacts are great however the economics are disastrous. With forestry, fishing, mining & oil and gas all dying industries in this country we are hooped. Which financially could put us in a depression. But there is some positive news... world wars can end poor economic times and this world is overpopulated any ways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Johnny Shotgun said: Canada does not and will ever not set the price for a barrel of oil. The notion Canada could become it's own self sustaining energy nation is a pipe dream. We long ago lost our ability to refine a deliberate and calculated move by the energy giants. The time lag and the billions required to establish a domestic refining capacity is impossible. Oil is a global currency and we are just a supplier a huge one at that but still just a supplier. Do you think BP, Exxon, Royal Dutch Shell, and the Standard Oil group of companies would relinquish that ability...not a chance. Try to break away from that energy model and we are done. One phone call to the White House regardless of who is prez and our skies will be filled with parachutes. However the Rockefellers got out of the oil business 3 years ago. Which really says something when the richest oil family cuts ties with the industry that made them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shotgun Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: The environmental impacts are great however the economics are disastrous. With forestry, fishing, mining & oil and gas all dying industries in this country we are hooped. Which financially could put us in a depression. But there is some positive news... world wars can end poor economic times and this world is overpopulated any ways... Next war will reduce the world to isolated pockets struggling to survive. Population will undoubtedly be similiar to what it was during the Cro-magnon/Neanderthal period. That's a pretty drastic reduction. Economy forget it just finding something to eat will be the task at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The title of the thread is pretty misleading, "being phased out" is not the same as "may eventually". So why is OP celebrating when it will be decades before the tar sands will be phased out? It is certainly not happening under Trudeau's reign. He will be long gone from power before the tar sands will be "phased out". Its is just another ploy to get votes which will probably work. The public still loves him and the media fawns over him. Trudeau is guaranteed to win the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, DonLever said: The title of the thread is pretty misleading, "being phased out" is not the same as "may eventually". So why is OP celebrating when it will be decades before the tar sands will be phased out? It is certainly not happening under Trudeau's reign. He will be long gone from power before the tar sands will be "phased out". Its is just another ploy to get votes which will probably work. The public still loves him and the media fawns over him. Trudeau is guaranteed to win the next election. Far to early to make that claim. A mountain of debt and a close relationship with Wynne could change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 So excited to hear JT is going to start the process of phasing out the Crude Tar Bunker Oil sands.... Hopefully cuts production 10 % each year starting next year. IN 10 years we could be out of destroying the earth game we are now in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 If rest of the world does not save their own environment, then saving our own environment is meaningless. Also, any type of destruction to the environment tend to heal itself, for example, a volcano which is destructive to the environment heals itself less than 20 years. Economy is more important than environment and the earth had always been going through a climate change for centuries and it is not new. Climate changes also includes droughts in some areas so this is no different in the past than we are experiencing today. How do we even know what climate was like in 1700, or even 1800's, their normal seasons? We don't know because there's report of droughts back then and it's not normal for them as well so we don't even have their stats on certain location. We do not even have 1700's global information so our assumption of the climate change is meaningless. We only have 100 years of information regarding to climate and it's not enough. Give me 500 years of global climate information and we might figure things out what is causing climate change and I would conclude that it's normal for earth to go through some changes to their climate for various reasons. The world always went through heat, cold for centuries and it's nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 9 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: So excited to hear JT is going to start the process of phasing out the Crude Tar Bunker Oil sands.... Hopefully cuts production 10 % each year starting next year. IN 10 years we could be out of destroying the earth game we are now in. Except he won't be. By the way what kind of vehicle do you drive? How do you power your home? I smell a hypocrite...but no worries because nothing will change for decades, nor will it be up to jt. Side note- what did you feel when you seen that crying lady asking jt about her hydro bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 13 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: So excited to hear JT is going to start the process of phasing out the Crude Tar Bunker Oil sands.... Hopefully cuts production 10 % each year starting next year. IN 10 years we could be out of destroying the earth game we are now in. Trolls will be trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 15, 2017 Author Share Posted January 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lionized27 said: Trolls will be trolls. Environment destroyers will be environment destroyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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