Provost Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Presumably this guy wouldn't cost a ton right now, and projects to be a 3rd line centre if things don't change. Ottawa would almost certainly be leaving him exposed in the expansion draft. He is also the kind of player that got a screwed up development and may just need a new start. He is young, was a prolific scorer in junior, and worst case is an energy providing two-way player. When the expansion draft coming up and suddenly not wanting to lose Granlund (who cared much at the start of the season), we could protect both Baertschi and Granlund by leaving Lazar exposed as well as Sutter. The one who doesn't get picked up becomes our third line centre. Sutter is better than Lazar, but Lazar is much cheaper cap hit and may have more to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I'd rather expose Hansen and Sbisa in the expansion draft before exposing Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman491 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Provost said: Presumably this guy wouldn't cost a ton right now, and projects to be a 3rd line centre if things don't change. Ottawa would almost certainly be leaving him exposed in the expansion draft. He is also the kind of player that got a screwed up development and may just need a new start. He is young, was a prolific scorer in junior, and worst case is an energy providing two-way player. When the expansion draft coming up and suddenly not wanting to lose Granlund (who cared much at the start of the season), we could protect both Baertschi and Granlund by leaving Lazar exposed as well as Sutter. The one who doesn't get picked up becomes our third line centre. Sutter is better than Lazar, but Lazar is much cheaper cap hit and may have more to give. I was thinking the same thing today. He is a BC boy after all. Benning has stated that he isn't going to trade away anymore picks. What would we have on our roster that Ottawa would want? He would be another reclamation project. I like the idea I'm just not sure what we could trade outside of a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Fans seem frustrated with him on them other boards. Sounds similar to how many here view Virt(albeit a yr older) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, Wilbur said: I'd rather expose Hansen and Sbisa in the expansion draft before exposing Sutter. Sutter is a decent player but he is also paid for exactly if not slightly more than he is worth as a 3rd line centre. You have to consider the cap space as well as the player. Lazar + an extra $3 million in cap space (and the player you can sign for that money) may well be worth more than Sutter on his own. Hansen would get snapped up in a second and is not something we can really afford to lose. Speed and can slot in a ton of places in the lineup to steady a young roster wherever it needs. Sbisa is a D so doesn't affect who we can and can't expose on the forwards (we almost certainly won't choose to just protect the 8 players option). D are also worth more in general. He has been playing like a top 4 guy for the first time in his career and that is worth a ton more than a 3rd line centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Fans seem frustrated with him on them other boards. Sounds similar to how many here view Virt(albeit a yr older) Probably a fair comparison as to their ceilings and current play. Both were rushed into the NHL too fast. The mitigating factor for Lazar is we was better in junior AND he had a bout of mono hampering him. Virtanen had a bout of the Roxy flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Provost said: Probably a fair comparison as to their ceilings and current play. Both were rushed into the NHL too fast. The mitigating factor for Lazar is we was better in junior AND he had a bout of mono hampering him. Virtanen had a bout of the Roxy flu. In fairness, I'd likely die from such afflictions, if I were wearing the shoes of these lucky fellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I've always been interested in Lazar and depending on the price we should at least inquire. Could be a good fit on the fourth line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhippy Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 How's Hansen and a 5th sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I would have more interest in trying to have my cake and eat it too here. Something like Sutter + Hansen for 1st, Lazar, Hammond. Markstrom and Hammond split starts next year unless Vegas picks up Hammond in which case they didn't take our other players so win. If they don't he's a good stop gap for Demko. Virtanen Lazar Dorse/Burr could be a very entertaining 3/4th development line next year. Teach those kids the skills to make them middle 6 super pests. We get that needed extra 1st rnd pick in the 20 range. And we get to keep both Bae and Granlund. Sutter Is a huge upgrade on Pageau for the Sens, And Hansen is a huge upgrade on Tom Pyatt in their top 6. If they loose Hansen to Vegas so be it thats the price you pay to play in the playoffs this year. They give us the Hamburgalar as they will be exposing him anyway. Bae Bo Boeser Rodin Granlund Eriksson Sedinz Burr/Dorse Virtanen Lazar Burr/Dorse 2017 pick 3-5ish Vilardi?? 2017 pick 20ish Nikita A. Popugaev?? + 12.85m+Burrs pay cut call it 16m+ whatever the cap increase is, to pay Bo, Gud, Tryamkin their raises and sign a UFA If JB pleases Hanzal? Shattenkirk? Sign a backup if needed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, Warhippy said: How's Hansen and a 5th sound? I like this except were left exposing Lazar to Vegas and could end up with nothing at all in return for Hansen and a 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Does Lazar skate well enough for the new NHL? Does his skill compensate for his skating? Maybe he's not an NHL player? Nice kid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I'd rather trade Hansen and Sbisa at the deadline than worry about protecting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 21 games this season, 0 points. Ouch. Not worth it, he'd be a buy low kind of guy and I'm sure Ottawa would rather invest in him than flip him for a pick, which is all he's worth (2nd rounder at the best). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Sounds like a project for Green. Not the big club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poet Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 If Lazar didn't need to be protected, I'd say him for Hansen straight up would be reasonable. But as it stands, we simply must trade Hansen for a pick or prospect, so we can protect both Baer and Granlund... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Expansion draft is too much of a scare to add anyone that you would have to protect. good idea. It's been tossed around before, but we need unload players to protect like Hansen not acquire them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 hour ago, billabong said: Expansion draft is too much of a scare to add anyone that you would have to protect. good idea. It's been tossed around before, but we need unload players to protect like Hansen not acquire them. Learn to move contrary to the herd... If we can pick up assets at a deep discount because of teams worrying about losing them for nothing, then we can easily come out ahead. We can only lose one player to expansion. At the moment it will most likely be one of Granlund, Baertschi, Sutter, Sbisa, or Gudbranson. If we can get 2-3 similar players in on the cheap, then we have automatic replacements and then some. Then when the dust settles and a bunch of teams are looking to fill some open roster spots because they got rid of them in anticipation of the expansion draft, or actually lost them in the draft... we also may have an extra couple and then the asking price is at a premium. It is a way for us to improve the bottom half of our lineup from guys like Megna, Skille, Chaput, and Gaunce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, Provost said: Learn to move contrary to the herd... If we can pick up assets at a deep discount because of teams worrying about losing them for nothing, then we can easily come out ahead. We can only lose one player to expansion. At the moment it will most likely be one of Granlund, Baertschi, Sutter, Sbisa, or Gudbranson. If we can get 2-3 similar players in on the cheap, then we have automatic replacements and then some. Then when the dust settles and a bunch of teams are looking to fill some open roster spots because they got rid of them in anticipation of the expansion draft, or actually lost them in the draft... we also may have an extra couple and then the asking price is at a premium. It is a way for us to improve the bottom half of our lineup from guys like Megna, Skille, Chaput, and Gaunce. I'm interested in the idea of muddying the waters as long as its real cheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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