[PROPOSAL] OLLI JUOLEVI & Nikita Tryamkin

[HowYaDrouin]

 

[JohnLocke]

Why not throw in Horvat and Baertschi while we're at it? 

Give them Fin too 

[Rocksterh8]

I'm thinking most on here don't like you're trade proposal. 

[Fateless]

2 hours ago, underrated said:

So you're saying you wouldn't trade Juolevi for Nolan Patrick?  I'm pretty sure almost every one else would.  The Avs lose that deal.

 

If you take those two pieces out, then it's Demko, Tryamkin and a 1st for Duchene and Landeskog.  I really like all three of those assets of ours, but realistically that's the type of package Sakic is looking for in exchange for one of those guys, not both.  I'm not saying he'll get quite that much for one, but that's probably the starting asking price.  I don't think they'd do Tryamkin and a first for Landeskog, and I don't think they'd do Duchene for Demko.  They lose all around.

Why would he trade any of those pieces at all?

All of those pieces are key to this team moving forward and we don't have the pieces to complement Duchene and Landeskog to win right now. Any combination of those trades mentioned literally guts this organization and we'll be worse than Edmonton for a decade.

[PhillipBlunt]

You must die!!!!!!!!!

[cripplereh]

7 hours ago, SliteriousBlackbeard said:

I hate that this is my first post of CDC however here on my thoughts on what it would take to make a trade happen with colorado.


To Vancouver:
Gabriel Landeskog
Matthew Duchene
Colorado 1st round pick

To Colorado:
Olli Juolevi
Nikita Tryamkin
Thatcher Demo
Vancouver 1st round pick

Why Vancouver would do this trade:
I don't think the Canucks would ever make this trade but If we are being honest, this is in the area of what it would take to get a trade done. To have the offensive guys in
Duchene and Landeskog (Future captain of Vancouver) would increase sales for management, people would be excited to see a their team score. The team also gets help up front for the future With colorado's 1st pick, hopefully top 4 would ad another offensive chip for Vancouver. Vancouver would be giving up a lot but getting a lot in return. 

Why colorado would do this trade:
They are in dyer need of defence and this years draft pool is not deep enough to get the top 2 pairing d-man. (imo) They will be stuck with an offensive guy.
Goaltending is going to become a bigger problem and Thatcher fixes that in a couple years. This might not be a trade that will immediately help colorado but its certainly a trade for the future and change the direction of the franchise for the better.



Why colorado would take these young d-men:


Olli Juolevi (18 years old)

Round 1 #5 Overall,  Projected Top 2 pairing
6'3"  183lbs

-High end playmaking abilities
-Big body (over 200lbs in prime)
-Uses his body to his advantage
-Great skating abilities
-Awesome puck handling
-Long reach
-Characteristics of a leader.

Future:
-Top 2 Pairing
-Top offensive d-man/Top shut down d-man
-Quarterback power play 
-Huge penalty killing abilities
-Future captain.

Olli is a star, a star now and a star till the end of his career.

Nikita Tryamkin
Round 3 #5 Overall,   Projected Top 4 pairing

-Huge shot
-Huge body
-Great puck handling skills
-Skating is improving dramatically
-Always a presence on the ice

Future:
-Top 3-4 Pairing (Maybe Top 2)
-Shut down 1st lines/ Top players
-Going to be penalty kill star
-Going to put up lots of point on power play

Nikita is going to be a star in this league, he reminds me of Chara. No body liked playing against Chara in his prime.


Thatcher Demo
Round 2 #36 Overall,    Projected Elite Goaltender

Thatcher Demko is an exceptionally athletic goaltender that can seem unbeatable on many occasions. His composure in net and modified butterfly style have scouts comparing him to Pekka Rinne of the Nashville Predators. He prepares himself well, positionally, for initial shots and the subsequent rebounds, and his cross-crease lateral movement is very good. As he tracks the puck, his stick always covers the five-hole and he makes himself big. One of the most noticeable aspects about Demko's style is that he doesn't go down prematurely; he isn't overly aggressive, but will get out to the top of the blue paint to challenge shooters with a clear shooting lane. Moving forward, Thatcher Demko will have every opportunity to develop into an elite franchise-type goaltender that can be relied upon in all situations.


Future Line up:

Landeskog-Duchene-Boeser
Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen
Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson           Gaunce-Grandlund-Rodin
Gaunce-Zhukenov-Grenier

Hutton-Gudbranson
Edler-Tanev
Sbisa-Stecher

Markstrom
Garteig


With Colorado first round pick i would try to trade up for more picks and get a top 4 defensive/goaltending prospect. If the pick was top 3 I would not trade it. Sbisa position is interchangeable. 4th line can be changed however you'd like. I would hate to play our 3rd line that outrageous amount of money. Trading the line for Gaunce-Grandlund-Rodin  hopefully trading sedins for picks and most likely having to buy out Eriksson. If somehow Daniel, Henrik, Loui, Ryan Miller all come off our books, with hansen and borrows on expiring contracts between this year and next it would give the Canucks 32.5 million to resign any players. Im not a cap expert but that should be enough room. Swapping any players for draft picks if possible.

Thanks for reading.



 

so you are willing to give up on our future for two players that yes will make the team better but we will not resign them and can not afford them with what you are trying to do.I could say we might get one of them and suffer a bit but why would anyone ever trade what we have coming for a quick fix now??????Think before you try to make deals as this would just never ever be the right move.I think you are not a Canucks fan or something!

[SliteriousBlackbeard]

To everyone who did not read this entire thread. I said the canucks would never do this. In response to some people wanting duchene and landeskog I feel this is the starting point of a deal for the avs, it just doesn't make sense. Nikita is a guy I would never part with he's too much of what Vancouver has been missing. The only way this makes sense is for aquilinii group who want sales. We would be giving up a potential future cup for a team that would exit  the second round every year but create sales and increase profit.

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, SliteriousBlackbeard said:

To everyone who did not read this entire thread. I said the canucks would never do this. In response to some people wanting duchene and landeskog I feel this is the starting point of a deal for the avs, it just doesn't make sense. Nikita is a guy I would never part with he's too much of what Vancouver has been missing. The only way this makes sense is for aquilinii group who want sales. We would be giving up a potential future cup for a team that would exit  the second round every year but create sales and increase profit.

And why do the Avs get so much more than the Oilers did for Hall?

[SliteriousBlackbeard]

10 minutes ago, Alflives said:

And why do the Avs get so much more than the Oilers did for Hall?

I don't determine Joe Sakic's asking price. Every trade is different. Finding value on a player is not determined soley by previous league trades. If that's the way you think then you need to rethink how the league operates.

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, SliteriousBlackbeard said:

I don't determine Joe Sakic's asking price. Every trade is different. Finding value on a player is not determined soley by previous league trades. If that's the way you think then you need to rethink how the league operates.

Sakic can ask what he wants, much like the Oilers did with Hall, and Yakupov.  For Sakic to trade Landeskog and Duchene he will have to take what's offered, or he keeps them.  

[Ghostsof1915]

32 minutes ago, SliteriousBlackbeard said:

To everyone who did not read this entire thread. I said the canucks would never do this. In response to some people wanting duchene and landeskog I feel this is the starting point of a deal for the avs, it just doesn't make sense. Nikita is a guy I would never part with he's too much of what Vancouver has been missing. The only way this makes sense is for aquilinii group who want sales. We would be giving up a potential future cup for a team that would exit  the second round every year but create sales and increase profit.

Stick to rum, and pillaging. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Stick to rum, and pillaging. 

Oh!  That's what his name says.  Here I read his name as: Serious Blackhead!    I guess there was fur in my old alien eyes.

[shiznak]

Colorado will never make this trade. They're giving up two of their best young offensive forwards, who are already proven at the NHL level and the potential first overall pick for two promising prospects, a defensemen in his early developmental stage, and a pick that will possibly be in the 10-20 range. 

 

I'd say Vancouver make this trade in a heartbeat. While I agree with the majority that this does deplete our prospect pool, but you can always use that first overall pick as a trade assets to acquire picks and prospects or a young NHL defensemen, who is proven in the NHL. This trade also sets this team up nicely, when the twins finally decide to hang up their skates.

[SliteriousBlackbeard]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Sakic can ask what he wants, much like the Oilers did with Hall, and Yakupov.  For Sakic to trade Landeskog and Duchene he will have to take what's offered, or he keeps them.  

Lol, is that not what I said in the original post.? In order for Colorado to make the trade it starts somewhere here with the proposal presented. It's not perfect but I do believe it's better than most cdc members that think they can get elite scorers for our left overs, we aren't going to use. Sorry I did not present an offer Sakic's is going to completely reject like most CDC member proposals.

[cripplereh]

4 hours ago, SliteriousBlackbeard said:

To everyone who did not read this entire thread. I said the canucks would never do this. In response to some people wanting duchene and landeskog I feel this is the starting point of a deal for the avs, it just doesn't make sense. Nikita is a guy I would never part with he's too much of what Vancouver has been missing. The only way this makes sense is for aquilinii group who want sales. We would be giving up a potential future cup for a team that would exit  the second round every year but create sales and increase profit.

yes so why bother then???

[Where'd Luongo?]

[Alflives]

13 hours ago, SliteriousBlackbeard said:

Lol, is that not what I said in the original post.? In order for Colorado to make the trade it starts somewhere here with the proposal presented. It's not perfect but I do believe it's better than most cdc members that think they can get elite scorers for our left overs, we aren't going to use. Sorry I did not present an offer Sakic's is going to completely reject like most CDC member proposals.

James Duthie on TSN radio stated this morning any thoughts that the Avs will get more for Landeskog than the Oilers got for Hall is ludicrous.  He further said Hall is a more valued player than Landeskog, so any AV's return would likely be less.

[SliteriousBlackbeard]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

James Duthie on TSN radio stated this morning any thoughts that the Avs will get more for Landeskog than the Oilers got for Hall is ludicrous.  He further said Hall is a more valued player than Landeskog, so any AV's return would likely be less.

Since when has James Duthie been right. Landeskog is a heck of a leader and an amazing forward. He has characteristics Hall can not even comprehend. It was also stated that the avs want a goaltending prospect. The fact of the matter is sakic is asking what he is asking and until his price comes down, this kind of deal is the start of what he is looking for.

[Alflives]

10 minutes ago, SliteriousBlackbeard said:

Since when has James Duthie been right. Landeskog is a heck of a leader and an amazing forward. He has characteristics Hall can not even comprehend. It was also stated that the avs want a goaltending prospect. The fact of the matter is sakic is asking what he is asking and until his price comes down, this kind of deal is the start of what he is looking for.

Between Landeskog and Duchene, which one would you prefer we get?  I prefer Landeskog.

[SliteriousBlackbeard]

8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Between Landeskog and Duchene, which one would you prefer we get?  I prefer Landeskog.

If I had to choose soley on players characteristics and abilities combined Landeskog 100%. If I was looking at the canucks needs I go for that 1c in Duchene.