Vanisleryan Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 With expansion looming every trade needs to factor that in. This year with the Baer, Granlund and Sbisa stepping up it sucks to think about losing one of them for nothing, but we more than likely will. To Vancouver : Domi Arizona 2nd Round pick To Arizona: Tanev Grandlund We make this trade because it allows us to protect Sbisa and Baer. I believe Domi is not expansion eligible. Arizona makes this trade because they need a bit of depth before they go full blown Oiler mode with all that youth. Also there GM is an analytical nut and would love Tanev. The pick would be a high 2nd so maybe it would need to be adjusted to a 3rd. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Good trade but Domi you would think is untouchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 My thoughts are you need sleep, and need to re-think about this trade. How does trading for Tanev and Granlund, help Arizona in their rebuilding stage? They lose a 21 years old player, who can be a cornerstone player for their franchise, and a second round pick for a player in his prime, and a marginal 2nd line player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sygvard Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, shiznak said: My thoughts are you need sleep, and need to re-think about this trade. How does trading for Tanev and Granlund, help Arizona in their rebuilding stage? They lose a 21 years old player, who can be a cornerstone player for their franchise, and a second round pick for a player in his prime, and a marginal 2nd line player. On top of that, it has a lot of expansion draft weight. I am not closely familiar with Arizona's situation for who they will protect. But this gives them 2 extra players that need protecting, while we take none back. I think we need to consider that itself to be a significant value factor in any trade like this. A team isn't going to take on risk contracts and give you protected contracts unless you significantly overpay for the service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Good offer. Arz had been in the market for a top 4 RHD. So it would appear that the yotes plan is to build from the back end out. Tanev would go great along size OEL on the top pairing. The second might be pushing it but their 3rd will be so high that it will be basically a late 2nd anyways, so we could settle for a 3rd. 9 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Good trade but Domi you would think is untouchable. I would say that the yotes have 3 untouchable assets, Keller, OEL and their first round pick this year. Those pieces are going to be their core moving forward. The yotes have a ton of young assets upfront that can be support players to help them move on from Domi. Strome, Duclair Dvorak, Perlini, Merkley, Crouse, Rieder Fischer is a ppg 19 year old in the AHL and already now has 2 points in 2 games in the NHL Burmistrov is a ppg in the 5 games he's play since they've claimed him. That gives them Duclair Keller Rieder Dvorak Strome Burmistrov Perlini Granlund Fischer OEL Tanev Chychrun DeAngelo Plus their top 3 pick this year, like Hischier or Patrick They will get a 1st round pick for Hanzal, possibly another pick for Doan They are going to be loaded with Talent. All they need left is a young goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, Sygvard said: On top of that, it has a lot of expansion draft weight. I am not closely familiar with Arizona's situation for who they will protect. But this gives them 2 extra players that need protecting, while we take none back. I think we need to consider that itself to be a significant value factor in any trade like this. A team isn't going to take on risk contracts and give you protected contracts unless you significantly overpay for the service. Arizona is in great shape, Because most of their players are exempt it really has no effect on their in expansion protection list. Especially since they are trying to trade off expiring contracts for young assets. They'd likely protect. Rieder, Richardson, Burmistrov, Duclair Granlund, OEK, Goligoski, Murphy, Tanev, Domingue One of Jooris, McGinn, Martinook or Samuelsson would be the player they loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Ah, the daily game day trade proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I like it because domi and horvat had monster chemistry in juniors. Add boeser and u got a sick line right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 In no way, shape, or form does this make sense for Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Value on this is way off this would be a fleecing by Vancouver and no way Arizona goes for it. While closer in value, I dont believe Arizona gives up their 2nd round pick for Gandlund. Tanev doesnt even come close to getting you Domi though. And as others have stated above this would leave them in trouble come expansion draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I don't think this is that bad value wise... as a canucks fan I wouldn't do it. I'd rather keep Tanev and Granlund. Tanev and his contract > Domi and his next deal Granlund > 2nd rounder to us Trade makes no sense for either team but I don't see how everyone is saying we are fleecing them. It's not too far off value wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanisleryan Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 14 hours ago, apollo said: I don't think this is that bad value wise... as a canucks fan I wouldn't do it. I'd rather keep Tanev and Granlund. Tanev and his contract > Domi and his next deal Granlund > 2nd rounder to us Trade makes no sense for either team but I don't see how everyone is saying we are fleecing them. It's not too far off value wise. I like Grandlund and Tanev too....I guess my point is I dont want to lose Granlund, Baertschi, or Sbisa for nothing. The only way to stop that is to make a trade involving one of our protected D and one of our protected F for a player who doesnt need protection. It going to come down to trading two guys for something more substantial. Or Lose one guy we definitely dont want to lose for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Vanisleryan said: I like Grandlund and Tanev too....I guess my point is I dont want to lose Granlund, Baertschi, or Sbisa for nothing. The only way to stop that is to make a trade involving one of our protected D and one of our protected F for a player who doesnt need protection. It going to come down to trading two guys for something more substantial. Or Lose one guy we definitely dont want to lose for nothing. Yup that logic makes sense for sure. We can protect at least one of Gran or Bae... as for D, if we trade one then we wont risk loosing Sbeezus. Gudbranson + Granlund for Landeskog perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanisleryan Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 4 hours ago, apollo said: Yup that logic makes sense for sure. We can protect at least one of Gran or Bae... as for D, if we trade one then we wont risk loosing Sbeezus. Gudbranson + Granlund for Landeskog perhaps Even worse is if we just trade say a D and expose Biega....we will almost certainly lose Baer or Granlund because Vegas wont take Biega over Granlund or Baer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I doubt they do this mainly because Domi is their poster boy. People buy tickets to watch Domi he has the name and the pedigree the sponsorships and he's exciting you don't trade that away for Tanev. Value wise I think the deal is fair but Arizona looses millions in merch and attendance etc by doing this so no way it happens. Would be like the Canucks trading Bo Horvat for say Hjalmarsson. Hjalmarsson is a great D by all means but he's not exactly a guy people get excited about neither is Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, hammertime said: I doubt they do this mainly because Domi is their poster boy. People buy tickets to watch Domi he has the name and the pedigree the sponsorships and he's exciting you don't trade that away for Tanev. Value wise I think the deal is fair but Arizona looses millions in merch and attendance etc by doing this so no way it happens. Would be like the Canucks trading Bo Horvat for say Hjalmarsson. Hjalmarsson is a great D by all means but he's not exactly a guy people get excited about neither is Tanev. Bo for Hjalmarsson is not the same as Tanev for Domi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: Bo for Hjalmarsson is not the same as Tanev for Domi. Your right Hjalmarsson is better than Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Just now, hammertime said: Your right Hjalmarsson is better than Tanev And Bo is better than Domi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: And Bo is better than Domi. I would say its a pretty fair comparison. In terms of very good very boring shutdown D around similar age on similar dollar value contracts for exciting young franchise player. And your proving my point for me that no way we trade BO for boring Hjalmarsson because Bo has the "it factor" If Arizona trades Domi it will be a blockbuster not for boring Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanisleryan Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 Domi is left wing so not sure how you compare Horvat to him. I wouldnt trade Horvat for Domi but I bet Arizona would make that deal all day long because it would be a steal. Horvat will be a captain.....I really like Domi but I cant say the same. I dont agree with some saying he is untouchable. I think we might have proven this year that a rebuild still requires some vets and you cant just ice a team under 25 and expect it to work. The Oilers tried it over and over and not until the added some vets did things start tor work out. Obviously McD helped but without some of the intangibles I doubt they are where they are this year. Arizona needs some seasoned guys too especially with Doane and Hanzal most likely gone after this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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