gameburn2 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Unless I am mistaken, the top 100 players of all time has a 2000 forward section. Toewes is on the list... e.g., why not Daniel and Henrik? Will they be included later? These are two of the most innovative, important players to come along. Easily in the Jagr, Sundin class. Maybe higher. Are they being under-rated? Again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 You might be over rating them just a tad with the jagr comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Jagr is in the discussion/arguable top 5 of all-time. I'm a mark for the Sedins (will be a VERY sad day when they retire) - but they don't in any way below in his tier IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdean10 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Kane and Toews have two cups. I think it's why they are considered on the top 100 list over the Sedins. Least that's my opinion. It's like Joe Thorton not being on the list either, no cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 There are too many super old timers in the mix honestly, none of us ever saw them play, and they were not really the best 100 ever. I mean, come on now. Its kind of like the top 100 guitarists of all time lists, with 25 guys from the 1920's. I can't pin down whatever it is about these lists, but its am unfortunate combination of virtue signaling and corner of the eye peer pressure focus grouping. These kinds of lists are straight up click bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Mad Bro? Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 46 minutes ago, gameburn2 said: Unless I am mistaken, the top 100 players of all time has a 2000 forward section. Toewes is on the list... e.g., why not Daniel and Henrik? Will they be included later? These are two of the most innovative, important players to come along. Easily in the Jagr, Sundin class. Maybe higher. Are they being under-rated? Again? I love the Sedins. But that's homerism at its finest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, Justdean10 said: Kane and Toews have two cups. I think it's why they are considered on the top 100 list over the Sedins. Least that's my opinion. It's like Joe Thorton not being on the list either, no cup. 3 cups actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdean10 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, shazzam said: 3 cups actually ugh I hate the blackhawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Toews is 28 years old, has 3 cups 2 olympic gold medals 592 points and more. Kane is 28 years old has 712 points 3 cups etc etc etc Hank and Danny WILL round out the top 100 NHL players list for their uniqueness, but there's a reason Toews/Kane are already listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I felt like a lot of players from the 70's and 80's got a little bit too much love due to how high scoring hockey was back then. Hugely inflated numbers makes it hard to compare to the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87Crosby Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Thornton might be a prick, but he and Malkin deserve to be there over a lot of players that made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 For a list done by the NHL it's a pretty garbage list. I mean, say what you want about the guy but how is Jumbo Joe not on that list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: I felt like a lot of players from the 70's and 80's got a little bit too much love due to how high scoring hockey was back then. Hugely inflated numbers makes it hard to compare to the modern game. Agreed. How did Brendan Shanahan end up on there? He was a pretty good player, but top 100? I'm fine the Sedin's didn't make the top 100. Should be in the discussion but can understand they didn't make it. Joe Thornton not making it is a pretty good parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 11 hours ago, xereau said: There are too many super old timers in the mix honestly, none of us ever saw them play, and they were not really the best 100 ever. I mean, come on now. Its kind of like the top 100 guitarists of all time lists, with 25 guys from the 1920's. I can't pin down whatever it is about these lists, but its am unfortunate combination of virtue signaling and corner of the eye peer pressure focus grouping. These kinds of lists are straight up click bait. If you learned more about these guys you might change you mind. My grandfather's generation was full of guys who would eat today's men for lunch mining 14 hours a day six days a week. Read Gretzky's book it would give you a little insight into how good the original stars were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Justdean10 said: Kane and Toews have two cups. I think it's why they are considered on the top 100 list over the Sedins. Least that's my opinion. It's like Joe Thorton not being on the list either, no cup. Malkin was left off so you can't use cups as an arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Justdean10 said: Kane and Toews have two cups. I think it's why they are considered on the top 100 list over the Sedins. Least that's my opinion. It's like Joe Thorton not being on the list either, no cup. I agree with this. The 2000's list is heavily influenced by the number of Stanley cups hence, Kane, Toewes, and Keith making the list. They are great players but they are still in the middle of their careers and have not really shattered any existing standards like Ovechkin and Crosby, who in my opinion, are the only players that deserve to be their among the active players. Looking back, the Sedins can be credited as having almost (re-)invented the cycle game and the ways to carry out half court offence, in a controlled fashion. They can probably write a textbook on it. The ways in which they create shots, like slap pass for re-direction to moving to empty spaces without the puck and creating passing lanes... it's at a legendary level in the sense that they rely mostly on their IQ to generate chances unlike some of the other great players that rely heavily on physical attributes/skills. In my opinion, Sedins are the true descendants of Gretzky's style of hockey -- not saying he is as good as Gretz, but in the way they rely on their IQ to best the opposition and create new methods for creating offence. Only regret is the change of standards in officiating in the playoffs that prevented the Sedins from having success with their brand of hockey in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, xereau said: There are too many super old timers in the mix honestly, none of us ever saw them play, and they were not really the best 100 ever. I mean, come on now. Its kind of like the top 100 guitarists of all time lists, with 25 guys from the 1920's. I can't pin down whatever it is about these lists, but its am unfortunate combination of virtue signaling and corner of the eye peer pressure focus grouping. These kinds of lists are straight up click bait. I sort of agree but some of those guys are pioneers so I also get why they are on the list. For example, Bob Gainey would just be a pretty good player now, but his style of play changed the game in the way that the game is played now and hence, he is on the list. If such list was made while Gainey was in the middle of his prime (70's), he may not be on it. I think the Sedins will be on it after they retire and as the cycle game and their ways of controlling offence becomes more prevalent in hockey, which is sure to happen with all this analytics stuff going on and with the importance of continually holding on to the puck in the offensive zone to generate multiple shots. To be honest, until the Sedins, the cycle game was not very prevalent in the NHL, to my knowledge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2000's list dates from 2000-2009... Sedin's best years were outside that time frame. Also for those complaining about the oldtimers... remember, a player has to be judged against his time period. In the 1920's, the training and conditioning techniques were basically non-existent... players back then trained themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 hours ago, numb3r 16 said: You might be over rating them just a tad with the jagr comparison He said "maybe higher" then Jagr. Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justdean10 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said: 2000's list dates from 2000-2009... Sedin's best years were outside that time frame. Also for those complaining about the oldtimers... remember, a player has to be judged against his time period. In the 1920's, the training and conditioning techniques were basically non-existent... players back then trained themselves. same with Kane,Toews and Keiths best years outside of 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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