Father Ryan Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 When saying "future", I'm thinking 3+ years down the road, about the time when it looks like a consensus of us on CDC figure this team will be not only playoff material, but also starting to sniff around at the Cup. So...with only players in system: Baer - Horvat - Boeser Fairly good 1st line, not quite an offensive powerhouse, but with Horvat there (and likely captain) this will be a top notch two-way line, with Boeser capable of scoring 30+, Horvat scoring 65-75 points, and Baer chipping in about 25/25/50 Virtanen - Sutter - Granlund Good second line, also two way, quite fast, all three of them capable of 20-25 goals Eriksson - Gaudette - Lockwood Basically a slightly less talented and younger version of the 2nd line, though likely a bit faster Gaunce - Cassels - Labate Gritty 4th line, plays a possession game, but barely capable of scoring 15 goals in a season combined. Possible weakness here Juolevi - Tryamkin Gruut becomes a dominant force, allowing Juolevi to play all over the ice ? - Stetcher Will need a banger to accompany him, but Stetcher will lead the back end in points, scoring 40-45 yearly Hutton - Guddy/? Question is, do we keep Guddy or will his $$$ demands outreach his play? Hutton scores 25-30 yearly, playing QB on the #2 PP. Demko The unquestioned #1 goalie, playing about 55 games yearly Markstrom Settles in at #2, realizing that he stands a better chance at a Cup here as a #2, than being a #1 somewhere else and never getting close Coach Big surprise here. Willie gets through the 16-17 season, comes back for one more. We lose Travis Green to (___), BUT...Manny Malhotra gains the complete respect of not only Bo, both also Linden and Benning, after Bo and Sutter finish the 17-18 season with FO percentages north on 55%, giving us a great PK. Manny becomes the head coach for the 18-19 season. (Alright, this is prognostication, and no one said we can't have a little fun!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, billabong said: I love the enthusiasm but you need to take off your Canucks goggles and look at this team from a birds eye view boeser hasn't signed a contract so he's not even a Canuck yet. He can go back for a 4th year at north dakota next season and if he does than major red flag. Like why not start making money and start your hockey career? He could very well be the vesey. That would be a disaster for this franchise, but it's not a problem until it's a problem as of right now we have no one else of substance coming through the ranks at forward, especially at centre, to help Horavt out. I havent lost lost faith in virt but if he doesn't lose some baby fat, start acting like a pro and ultimately lands flat on his face next season too then I'll throw up the red flag I hope the sedins retire next year cause lets rip the band aid off already and quit milking this chapter and get onto the next generation. 2 year outlook... Baertschi-horvat-xxxxx Eriksson-xxxxx-virtanen granlund-sutter- xxxxx Gaunce-xxxxx-dorsett that team needs a lot of work, ideally Baer and bo should be 2nd line I believe that Boeser is in his second year, so without signing him we own his rights for 2 1/2 more years, about the same length of time we will own the rights of the players we draft this coming summer. So you can postpone worrying about that disaster for a while. And I think the poster might have been a bit excited about Jake's performance yesterday. When Jake plays like that, and shows everything we were hoping to see from him, it is easy for a real fan to get excited. And yeah, that would be wonderful if in a few years from now, Baer an Bo were on our second line. That would certainly indicate that we are a serious contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 OP is a tad optimistic but the future is far from bleak. I'd just like to add that Benning will continue to add talent to the roster. He is by no means done yet. It's going to be fun watching this team being built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 LV may grab Granny (is he exposed?) and I don't see Virt being with the Canucks int he near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GettinGuddyWithIt Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 43 minutes ago, billabong said: I love the enthusiasm but you need to take off your Canucks goggles and look at this team from a birds eye view boeser hasn't signed a contract so he's not even a Canuck yet. He can go back for a 4th year at north dakota next season and if he does than major red flag. Like why not start making money and start your hockey career? He could very well be the vesey. That would be a disaster for this franchise, but it's not a problem until it's a problem as of right now we have no one else of substance coming through the ranks at forward, especially at centre, to help Horavt out. I havent lost lost faith in virt but if he doesn't lose some baby fat, start acting like a pro and ultimately lands flat on his face next season too then I'll throw up the red flag I hope the sedins retire next year cause lets rip the band aid off already and quit milking this chapter and get onto the next generation. 2 year outlook... Baertschi-horvat-xxxxx Eriksson-xxxxx-virtanen granlund-sutter- xxxxx Gaunce-xxxxx-dorsett that team needs a lot of work, ideally Baer and bo should be 2nd line Boeser recruited Stecher and tryed hard bringing in Cagguila, he ain't going nowhere. Baerstchi-Horvat-Boeser Eriksson- 2017 1st Rd Pick-Virt Granlund-Sutter-Lockwood Gaunce-Gaudette-Dorsett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I agree that our future is brighter than it looks. Horvat is going to be a first line player. Baerschi 1LW/2LW. Granlund is going to be a solid 2nd line winger. Stecher, Tryamkin, Hutton, Gudbranson are all under 25 and already playing as top 4 defencemen. Tanev, Sbisa, and Edler can play few more years at a high level. Markstrom is an elite back up at worst with a chance to develop into a solid starter. Boeser, Juolevi, Virtanen are elite in at least one aspect of the game but each of them possesses one area where they are below average or average at best, which makes it uncertain as to whether they will become elite players or not. If all three of them can improve on their weaknesses and take a step forward, then we will have a great team I think we will win a Stanley cup for sure. Virtanen: elite physical attributes, skating, and shooting. Below average in terms of what is so-called hockey IQ; for example, I think he needs to improve on playing the team game, coordinating play with his linemates and generate some synergy effect. Juolevi: elite in hockey IQ, vision, and passing. Average puck handling. If he can improve this, he will be elite. If not, he will still be a top 4. Boeser: elite offensive hockey IQ. Knows where to go at any moment and makes his linemates better. Near elite shot placement/accuracy/timing. But average to below average speed. Don't get me wrong, I think all three will be an NHL players, it's just at what level. For example, if Virtanen is equipped with Boeser's hockey IQ, he will be a first liner. If Boeser can skate like Virtanen, then Boeser will be a first liner. Juolevi will be worst case, top 4, best case top 2. Imagine Juolevi-Tryamkin top pairing where both of them are elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscience Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Sedins will be retired by then and sutter is a 3c on a contender. Still need two more top 6 offensive players to be able to truly compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 hours ago, billabong said: boeser hasn't signed a contract so he's not even a Canuck yet. He can go back for a 4th year at north dakota next season nah, Boeser is in his second year. A few things - he can't sign a contract and remain in college, so you'll have to wait until their season ends. 1st round picks that don't sign with the teams that draft them result in a compensation pick. This isn't like the situations around Vesey, Reilly, Schultz - all of whom were later round picks. Worst case scenario, the Canucks would wind up with a replacement pick for Boeser (considering how he's turning out, that would be a setback) but that's not going to happen for a number of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Hortankin said: Bo Horvat is participating in this year's all star game in his 3rd season! Wow who would have guessed that when we were all disappointed about losing Schnieder. To all those people saying Bo is a future 2nd liner at best you are wrong, he's our number 1. Brock Boeser is almost certainly going to be a 25-40G scorer consistently throughout his career and almost a sure bet to be Horvat's winger for many many years. I may get ripped on for this but I honestly believe we have our other future first line winger in Virtanen. I believe Virtanen will be a better version of Bertuzzi and he will be a key element in our first cup in franchise history. A second line of Baertschi, Sutter, Granlund sounds pretty good in 2-3 years they will be a lot better. Third line of the twins and Eriksson will be the best 3rd line in the NHL. Our D is set for years to come, Benning deserves a HUGE thank you for how fast he turned our terrible D around. And with Markstrom and Demko I feel we will be blessed in goal for years to come as well. Virtanen Horvat Boeser Baertschi Sutter Granlund Sedin Sedin Eriksson Juolevi Gudbranson Tryamkin Stecher Hutton/Edler Tanev Demko Markstrom So many option for 4th line but by the way I see things shaping up we will be a legit contender in 2-3 year. Playoff bound for sure next year, and maybe ever this year! Replace Sutter with Adam gaudette as number two center. I seriously think he will be our 2nd line center and Sutter our third when Sedins retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, GettinGuddyWithIt said: Boeser recruited Stecher and tryed hard bringing in Cagguila, he ain't going nowhere. Baerstchi-Horvat-Boeser Eriksson- 2017 1st Rd Pick-Virt Granlund-Sutter-Lockwood Gaunce-Gaudette-Dorsett U think gaudette will be a future 4th liner u crazy. He's gonna be our future number 2 centre. I do like those lines tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Its also very uncertain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Todd Bertuzzi was mentioned, easily the best power forward we ever had. Everytime the Express line were on the ice it was pure entertainment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I admire your optimism if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 3 hours ago, CanadianRugby said: The only reason OP is optimistic about Virtanen is because he's a Canuck. He's done nothing to indicate he's going to be better than Bertuzzi and help lead the Canucks to a Cup. Also, Eriksson and his $6,000,000 on the 3rd line is a good thing? Why is this even a thread. This thread should be on SNL . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Drakrami said: lol you just lost all credibility after you say Virtanen will be a better Bertuzzi. he could be as bert took till 25 to make his case for a 1st line player so Jake could be but only time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, 6string said: Todd Bertuzzi was mentioned, easily the best power forward we ever had. Everytime the Express line were on the ice it was pure entertainment! Linden was the best power forward we ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, cripplereh said: Linden was the best power forward we ever had No. No. No. Bert hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 6 hours ago, Butters Stoch said: Jake can't be mentioned in the same sentence as Bertuzzi, maybe a Booth or even Torres if we're REALLY lucky. If Jake can turn out to be like a Torres I would be happy, Torres was a physical player who brought energy to the team and crowd, and he would score some big goals on occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 5 hours ago, GettinGuddyWithIt said: Boeser recruited Stecher and tryed hard bringing in Cagguila, he ain't going nowhere. Baerstchi-Horvat-Boeser Eriksson- 2017 1st Rd Pick-Virt Granlund-Sutter-Lockwood Gaunce-Gaudette-Dorsett I have no reason to believe he won't. I truly hope he does because we need him insanely bad in our system. But I'm not slotting him in till he signs a contract 4 hours ago, oldnews said: nah, Boeser is in his second year. A few things - he can't sign a contract and remain in college, so you'll have to wait until their season ends. 1st round picks that don't sign with the teams that draft them result in a compensation pick. This isn't like the situations around Vesey, Reilly, Schultz - all of whom were later round picks. Worst case scenario, the Canucks would wind up with a replacement pick for Boeser (considering how he's turning out, that would be a setback) but that's not going to happen for a number of reasons. You're correct. I heard the numbnuts on the radio talking about his 4th year next year so I just went with it If that compensation pick isn't a 1st rounder then it don't mean squat. If i was a betting man, I'd say he signs when north Dakotas season is over because he still associates himself with the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 38 minutes ago, billabong said: I have no reason to believe he won't. I truly hope he does because we need him insanely bad in our system. But I'm not slotting him in till he signs a contract You're correct. I heard the numbnuts on the radio talking about his 4th year next year so I just went with it If that compensation pick isn't a 1st rounder then it don't mean squat. If i was a betting man, I'd say he signs when north Dakotas season is over because he still associates himself with the team Same spot but in the 2nd round - so 54th now that there are 31 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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