Future is better than most see it

[theilluminati]

Just now, oldnews said:

 

What an absurd set of claims.

 

First, do you have any idea how many NCAA players there are?  PPG average is absolutely absurd.

 

Second, Gaudette is tied for 8th overall, 7th overall in PPG, and the only Sophomore in the top 10 - all the others are Jr and Srs.

 

But thanks for unwarping the logic lol.

Gaudette has 66 pts in 65 games, that's a fact not an "absurd claim"... the top 50 scorers in the NCAA are all a point per game or higher again a fact not an "absurd claim". But I expect this coming from you and your pathetic attempt at trying to look smart when the vast majority of posters here know that you're a petulant old fart with nothing better to do than sit on CDC and berate people.

[CaptainLinden16]

3 hours ago, Butters Stoch said:

I guess if you look at it that way, sure Granlund can barely qualify as a 2nd liner at his .4pt/g pace.

 

I'm not hating on Sutter, he's always been great defensively and good for about 40pts. OP thinks he'll be better in few years but he's consistently had the same production and playing style his whole career, I just don't see him suddenly producing much more than that.

 

Problem is that if we have these guys who just barely qualify for your definition of a 2nd line player, are we actually a competitive team to get excited about? They might be 2nd liners on a weak-mediocre team but we want to be a competitive team don't we?

That's the NHL nowadays.  Granlund is ahead of Dubinsky, Larkin, Lindholm, Boone Jenner, Bonino.  And he is really good defensively.  He is 76th as a center making him solid 3rd line.  He is actually a LW and he is 20 points puts him in a tie for 50th.  Solid 2nd line player.  Again young and excellent defensively.  I really doesn't see him as a fringe 2nd liner or even the third liner that you made him out to be.  Daniel is 30th making him dead last as a first liner and Sven and Louie are 37 and 48.  That's 3 - 2nd line caliber LW players on the team with two of them being young.  Not bad eh?  Sven has more points than Palat! 

 

Sutter is 65 making him a 3rd liner offensively but he is ahead of Patrice Bergeron and Jordan Staal.  Heck Kopitar is 3 points ahead of him.  With his defensive ability and faceoff domination, he is easily a high end 2nd line player. Bo is 34 and Hank 37 making both high end 2nd line players.  

 

This team already has 3 very solid 2nd lines.  We don't have top 15 talent, and we have zero offense from the blue line.  That's part tactics and part talent.  

 

Burrows is 54 making him a low end 2nd line player.  Hansen missing half the season already qualifies as 3rd line, and Jack Skillz Skille does too.

 

You are way to pessimistic about the current quality of forwards. 

 

i also think the OP and many on CDC are way to optimistic about our defense.

[6string]

20 hours ago, cripplereh said:

Linden was the best power forward we ever had

Nah, Bertuzzi was. Even Sergio Momesso of that team's era was more of a power forward the Trevor. Linden was an all encompassing forward by scoring, checking and hitting, seldom if ever did he drop the gloves.

[oldnews]

1 hour ago, theilluminati said:

Gaudette has 66 pts in 65 games, that's a fact not an "absurd claim"... the top 50 scorers in the NCAA are all a point per game or higher again a fact not an "absurd claim". But I expect this coming from you and your pathetic attempt at trying to look smart when the vast majority of posters here know that you're a petulant old fart with nothing better to do than sit on CDC and berate people.

illuminating

[WeneedLumme]

2 hours ago, theilluminati said:

Gaudette has 66 pts in 65 games, that's a fact not an "absurd claim"... the top 50 scorers in the NCAA are all a point per game or higher again a fact not an "absurd claim". But I expect this coming from you and your pathetic attempt at trying to look smart when the vast majority of posters here know that you're a petulant old fart with nothing better to do than sit on CDC and berate people.

You know, when someone points out facts that refute your position like:

 

"Second, Gaudette is tied for 8th overall, 7th overall in PPG, and the only Sophomore in the top 10 - all the others are Jr and Srs. "

 

and you just ignore the facts and attack the person who pointed them out, it makes you look very dishonest.

[KKnight]

3 hours ago, theilluminati said:

Gaudette has 66 pts in 65 games, that's a fact not an "absurd claim"... the top 50 scorers in the NCAA are all a point per game or higher again a fact not an "absurd claim". But I expect this coming from you and your pathetic attempt at trying to look smart when the vast majority of posters here know that you're a petulant old fart with nothing better to do than sit on CDC and berate people.

Awwwe looks like you made a friend Old News. You petulant old fart lol

[Baggins]

6 hours ago, theilluminati said:

Gaudette has 66 pts in 65 games, that's a fact not an "absurd claim"... the top 50 scorers in the NCAA are all a point per game or higher again a fact not an "absurd claim". But I expect this coming from you and your pathetic attempt at trying to look smart when the vast majority of posters here know that you're a petulant old fart with nothing better to do than sit on CDC and berate people.

Last year Gaudette had 30 points in 42 games. But this year he has 36 points in 24 games. Would you not say that's a vast improvement in production? How many of the top 50 are at 1.5 pts per game or better this season?

[WeneedLumme]

4 hours ago, Baggins said:

Last year Gaudette had 30 points in 42 games. But this year he has 36 points in 24 games. Would you not say that's a vast improvement in production? How many of the top 50 are at 1.5 pts per game or better this season?

It's pretty obvious that poster you are talking to is not honest enough to respond to actual facts. He wants to hang on to his apples and oranges comparison of Gaudette's first and second year combined stats to other players' current year stats because that is the only way he can support his trolling position, that Gaudette's elite production level is mediocre.

[Phat Fingers]

On 2017-01-28 at 11:13 PM, Darius71 said:

I dont know if Jake will be better than Bertuzzi.  If he can turn out to be a heavy forchecking winger that can pop 15-20 goals a year, wear down opposing dmen and cause turn overs he will be a valuable asset.

 

Boeser is our blue chip prospect up front.  Craig Button recently hinted that hes one of the top players not in in the NHL.  Apparently hes gonna publish some list of top players in the world that are not in the NHL and Boeser is really high on the list.

 

I think the sleeper in all of this is Gaudette.  He is having a fantastic year at NU.  Currently in the top 5 NCAA in scoring.

 

 

Don't forget Lockwood.  I like his compete level, reminds me of a Gallagher type player, small, physical with the ability to go into the dirty areas and produce points.  I think he will make the show. 

 

 

[Phat Fingers]

On 2017-01-29 at 10:06 AM, drummerboy said:

He is only in his 2nd year, and seems ready for the show.    Do you really think he will hold out another 2 years to become a FA?  Highly unlikely. 

Have you seen any interviews with him? 

He is stoked to be a Canuck. 

Agreed.  He doesn't seem to be figuring it out very well.  

I watch all the Utica games, and he has been one of the most disappointing on the ice every night.   He has a long way to go. 

We have NOONE to replace them.  

Yes, they are only a shadow of what they used to be, but we don't have a better option.    We need the Sedins and when they retire, we will feel it big time. 

Agreed. 

 

OP is a little too optimistic for sure.  

This team is shaping up to be a middle of the pack, fringe playoff team in the future.

 

We have a half decent couple prospects coming, but nothing really to get excited about.   

Still ALOT of work to be done. 

 

So let's have some optimism.  Heck is Trump can be president, anything is possible   

 

There is a lot of work to be done, but there is a track record of recent positive player development and drafting under JB's watch.  Taken in that light, I am still hopeful that Jake can become a good NHL PF. Better that Bert, not yet.  But then again Trump is president.  

 

 

The amount of youth that has quietly replaced veterans in the line up over the past two years is impressive.  Horvat is an Allstar, Hutton, Trymakin and Stecher have saved the d corp.  Gaunce (give me a goal) has shown he can play on the d side of the puck.  Baer, Granlund, Markstom and Sbisa have taken strides this year. Every player on that list was shot down as a bust by posters on this board.  Given time, they all proved to be good investments.  

 

Thats a good track record. Now Jake and Guddy are on the hit list, for some valid and not valid reasons. Given the above statement, I think we can all light a candle of optimism that these two players can also get CDC redemption . 

 

Assume that next year sees only one or two spots on the NHL roster open up for players on the farm, I can see Pedan sliding into the 7/8th d spot and someone like Grenier, Archie or Labate sliding into the 13rh forward spot. Very little talent lost from our farm system and Jasek, Boeser, Zhukov, Neil, Gaudette, Brisbois one or two yet to be signed NCAA FA's will be added to the org depth. That is a good influx of young talent assuming that OJ doesn't make the jump to the NHL and that other players go back for their over age years. 

 

The calvary is coming to Utica and in two years time it will arrive in Vancouver.   

 

EW

[Bissurnette]

My future lineup:

 

_____ - ______ - Boeser

Baertschi - Horvat - Lockwood

Virtanen - Gaudette - Zhukenov

Labate - Gaunce - Grenier/Archibald

 

Juolevi - Tryamkin

Brisebois - Gudbranson

Sbisa - Stecher

Pedan/Subban

 

Demko

 

We have amazing depth and mix of skill set on defense. We are set in net. Our forward group needs work, but I trust in JB and I believe he can turn that around in as little as 1 draft, 2 tops. Plus it helps significantly that we have plenty of quality trade chips on defense to address that, without sacrificing quality/depth on the backend. Edler, Tanev and Hutton can bring back a significant return. But that is getting ahead of ourselves. Hutton should stay here for the next few years. IMO, Tanev is the only player that can get traded this year. All that is needed in the meantime is development of our current prospects so that they are ready when the other forwards are acquired. I think we can be contenders in as little 4 years down the road.

[dura_mater]

On ‎29‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 0:25 PM, Hortankin said:

Brock Boeser is almost certainly going to be a 25-40G scorer consistently throughout his career and almost a sure bet to be Horvat's winger for many many years.

 

I may get ripped on for this but I honestly believe we have our other future first line winger in Virtanen. I believe Virtanen will be a better version of Bertuzzi and he will be a key element in our first cup in franchise history.

 

 

So many option for 4th line but by the way I see things shaping up we will be a legit contender in 2-3 year. Playoff bound for sure next year, and maybe ever this year!

Can we stop putting such high expectations on our prospects?  This reminds me of Cody Hodgson all over again.  You know who's a consistent 25-40 goal scorer currently?  Alex Ovechkin.  I can't recall many, if any, players who were better than Bertuzzi was in his prime; since he played and specifically regarding power forwards.  I'm sure there's a few but not many (correct me if I'm wrong).  I'd be happy if he even came close to Bertuzzi BUT was more consistent and kept it up year after year.

[dura_mater]

On ‎29‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 4:21 PM, oldnews said:

nah, Boeser is in his second year.

 

A few things - he can't sign a contract and remain in college, so you'll have to wait until their season ends.

 

1st round picks that don't sign with the teams that draft them result in a compensation pick.  This isn't like the situations around Vesey, Reilly, Schultz - all of whom were later round picks.

Worst case scenario, the Canucks would wind up with a replacement pick for Boeser (considering how he's turning out, that would be a setback)  but that's not going to happen for a number of reasons.

Really?  I wasn't aware of that, sounds too good to be true.  Any examples of this happening recently?  Would it be the last first round pick as compensation?

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, dura_mater said:

Really?  I wasn't aware of that, sounds too good to be true.  Any examples of this happening recently?  Would it be the last first round pick as compensation?

It's a moot point, because Boeser will sign with us this spring, and he will be in our lineup next season.  Plus, he's been called the best player currently not in the NHL.  (Button). Boeser will win the friggin Calder next year too!  Get on boated the JB train or get out baby!  Drink the blue and green Koolaide!!  It's the Cup for us with Bo, Baer, and Boeser!!!  

[VIC_CITY]

I'm really excited for Boeser, he could be an absolute game changer for this franchise. Having said that, I'm a little nervous that we won't get him signed this year. It would absolutely cripple our franchise if he didn't sign. I know chances are he'll sign but I can't help but be a little nervous after seeing what happened with Vessey. I just hope he'll value playing in a city like Vancouver (even though he's American) and see this team as a young up and coming team, with a good opportunity to learn from the Sedins in what will most likely be their last season. 

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said:

I'm really excited for Boesser, he could be an absolute game changer for this franchise. Having said that, I'm a little nervous that we won't get him signed this year. It would absolutely cripple our franchise if he didn't sign. I know chances are he'll sign but I can't help but be a little nervous after seeing what happened with Vessey. I just hope he'll value playing in a city like Vancouver (even though he's American) and see this team as a young up and coming team, with a good opportunity to learn from the Sedins in what will most likely be their last season. 

There is zero chance Boeser doesn't sign.  He's NHL ready, and the financial loss (of three seasons) would be money he could never earn back.  

[VIC_CITY]

13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

There is zero chance Boeser doesn't sign.  He's NHL ready, and the financial loss (of three seasons) would be money he could never earn back.  

Ya but Vessey did it. Maybe there was more to the story that we didn't hear? 

[Alflives]

20 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said:

Ya but Vessey did it. Maybe there was more to the story that we didn't hear? 

Had you heard of Vessey as the best player not in the NHL during his second year?  Boeser is an elite player, more like Toews and Pariese.  Boeser will be into the first year of his second contract coming out this spring, compared to staying until August of his senior year.  That's three seasons he would lose.  

[manroth19]

the reason the future is bright is plain and simple. Defence defence defence. Our defensive depth entry level/prospect pool is ridiculous right now. Maybe we don't have those sexy forwards but defence is what wins. 

 

We we got a gm that drafts well, stud goalie prospect and a good crop of d. The boys will be aight

[VIC_CITY]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Had you heard of Vessey as the best player not in the NHL during his second year?  Boeser is an elite player, more like Toews and Pariese.  Boeser will be into the first year of his second contract coming out this spring, compared to staying until August of his senior year.  That's three seasons he would lose.  

I'm pretty sure Vessey was the best player not in the NHL last year. He won the Hobey Baker award after being a nominee the year before. 

 

I'm high on Boeser too but he's just a prospect at this point. Sure he's been mentioned in the same breath as Toews and Parise, but that's at the college level. It's a little premature to say Boeser is anything close to elite at this point. 

 

However, if Vessey has shown us anything, it's that we should have high hopes for Boeser. After all, Boeser is having similar success at a younger age. I have my fingers crossed...