spook007 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, lmm said: The Canucks are eeking out points due to Goaltending and D. 1/2 game with no shots Baer 2 goals 0 assists in 7, Ganny + Sutter 1 point in 6 Dank and Loui and Burr mired in long slumps brutal PP Megna in the top 9 I would say the offense is broke but Horvat deserves all the help he can get. That last game was a disgrace, and I'm sure we can all agree on that. And agree that we are in transition and that this team isn't scoring enough. However, disagree that Hansen has to play with Horvat. Once Hansen is back in the line-up the balance gets far better, and Megna won't be in the top 9. I can easily see Horvat having Hansen on his wing and the excitement it would create, but think, with the players we have, the other lines would continue to struggle. Not trying to stifle Horvat, but if Hansen doesn't go back on the Sedin line, we can wave any playoff hope good bye.... or that's how I see it at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, S'all Good Man said: Hansen can make this team better with Bo or with Sutter. If WD can move off the idea that Hansen "must" be with the Sedins it gives us a lot of good options. Only issue is, who would you play with Sedins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, spook007 said: Only issue is, who would you play with Sedins? I would continue to cycle guys through their wing, as it has always been. Expecting to find a permanent fix at this point in their careers, in the middle of this season, is a bit of a fool's errand. Megna has shown he can score in the AHL. He is nowhere near as bad as people on this site proclaim. Burrows will get his time with them too moving forward. And Eriksson. I look at playing with the Sedins at this point as a type of weekend seminar. Players get to go there to hone their skills for a few days, to take back to their other job (line). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think Bo is just beginning to realize how good he can be. Now if only the owners and management would realize that they have their future right before their eyes and start to build around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 31 minutes ago, kloubek said: I totally understand, and it is certainly not the moral was of handling it if that is the sole reason to keep him from getting ice time. Here's the thing: Most of it comes down to how WD chooses to use his players. It is clear that while the Sedins are still our 1st line and get minutes accordingly. I don't think that there is a clear cut first line right now. The Sedins (namely Daniel) aren't producing anywhere near that right now. 31 minutes ago, kloubek said: Sutter is also given high minutes as he is used extensively as a role player. He is giving solid minutes to Eriksson - presumably to get him sparked but so far no dice in that regard. But I'm sure after paying so much for him, it would look bad giving him third line minutes. Who cares what line Eriksson is producing on, as long as he's producing. Lucic is on the Oilers third line and he's the highest paid player on the team. 31 minutes ago, kloubek said: That doesn't leave as much time for Horvat, just given the players we have already in play. Well then, WD needs to make time. 31 minutes ago, kloubek said: WD has also made it clear that he believes Horvat's role is more of a defensive one. Now, I'm not sure I agree with that point either, but if that is how the coach perceives the situation, then he's going to play these guys accordingly. And is one of the reasons people question WD so much. I get that he's looking at long term development, but when a player makes such an obvious jump in performance as Bo has, a coach should give themselves leeway to adjust accordingly. 31 minutes ago, kloubek said: And if that's the case, then Horvat is naturally going to get less minutes and therefore less points. I'm just saying that it may play in our favour when it comes to contract time, by keeping his point totals relatively low. It isn't necessarily that Horvat's development is lessened, so much as he is forced to work on his defensive and intangible game first. Keep in mind the guy is still really young, and a slower transition into a top line isn't always a bad thing. It keeps some pressure off him in order to let him develop as opposed to being expected to be the main scoring factor on the team. From that perspective, I actually don't mind him being played a bit less. I think Bos is clearly ready (both through his words and actions) for more responsibility 31 minutes ago, kloubek said: I would expect, however, that he's proven himself and that he will be played as a 2nd line regular where he belongs next season over Sutter, at minimum. Depending on how productive the Sedins are, perhaps they could even slip down to the 2nd line. If the Sedins are still considered the first line next season, there is an issue. 31 minutes ago, kloubek said: I will say this: I had always viewed Horvat as an elite 2nd liner.... similar to Kesler. I always knew he had more natural scoring touch than Kesler, but less grit. But now, I'm starting to believe he truly has 1st line capabilities. He's already scoring at a very solid pace despite his lower minutes, and he's very young yet with room to grow. I am truly excited to see what kind of player he will become, and if he does manage to be a solid first liner that really helps our team, since talent elite enough to replace the Sedins is something we're pretty short on. He's proven it already. Benning's main area of concentration in an trade or UFA signing has to be to find Bo some linemates to help him move into a far more foundational role with the team, allowing the Sedins to move into support roles, where they could be far more dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 10 hours ago, xereau said: I would continue to cycle guys through their wing, as it has always been. Expecting to find a permanent fix at this point in their careers, in the middle of this season, is a bit of a fool's errand. Megna has shown he can score in the AHL. He is nowhere near as bad as people on this site proclaim. Burrows will get his time with them too moving forward. And Eriksson. I look at playing with the Sedins at this point as a type of weekend seminar. Players get to go there to hone their skills for a few days, to take back to their other job (line). Pretty much this. Finding the Sedins that elusive winger is yesterday's news. Allow different players the opportunity to play with them, giving each young player that unique opportunity of learning from the two regarding how they see the ice, passing dynamics, and all sorts of other skills those two possess in spades. Sundin did it for them and Kesler, now it's their turn to pass on the ability and knowledge. Pretty much what xereau alluded to a few posts back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: Pretty much this. Finding the Sedins that elusive winger is yesterday's news. Allow different players the opportunity to play with them, giving each young player that unique opportunity of learning from the two regarding how they see the ice, passing dynamics, and all sorts of other skills those two possess in spades. Sundin did it for them and Kesler, now it's their turn to pass on the ability and knowledge. Boeser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 20 minutes ago, Alflives said: Boeser? Boeser would, in a sane mind, be Bo's winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, spook007 said: Only issue is, who would you play with Sedins? 1. Loui 2. Burr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said: Boeser would, in a sane mind, be Bo's winger. Oh wow! Yes, that's better. Is Willie sane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: Oh wow! Yes, that's better. Is Willie sane? His mustache has all the power. It tells him what to do and his line combinations are proof of that. He only needs to use that mojo on away games and teams above us to push through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 A few comments by WD on the Horvat line: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Boeser would, in a sane mind, be Bo's winger. Assuming he develops as hoped. The step up to the NHL has broken some extremely promising and nearly sure-fire players once they made the leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Oh wow! Yes, that's better. Is Willie sane? Sane like a fox. He's already got a new play ready for Boeser when he gets here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Canuck Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 45 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Sane like a fox. He's already got a new play ready for Boeser when he gets here: ROFLMAO ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 5 hours ago, spook007 said: That last game was a disgrace, and I'm sure we can all agree on that. And agree that we are in transition and that this team isn't scoring enough. However, disagree that Hansen has to play with Horvat. Once Hansen is back in the line-up the balance gets far better, and Megna won't be in the top 9. I can easily see Horvat having Hansen on his wing and the excitement it would create, but think, with the players we have, the other lines would continue to struggle. Not trying to stifle Horvat, but if Hansen doesn't go back on the Sedin line, we can wave any playoff hope good bye.... or that's how I see it at least. I am not saying Hansen must play with Bo, but when 6 of your top 8 are in prolonged slumps, that does not qualify for "If it ain't broke..." Its broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, lmm said: I am not saying Hansen must play with Bo, but when 6 of your top 8 are in prolonged slumps, that does not qualify for "If it ain't broke..." Its broke. When Hansen was playing with the twins, Eriksson was playing with Sutter and Granlund, and Bo with Baer and Burr, it wasn't broke. When Hansen is available again it only makes sense to try it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 6 hours ago, mll said: A few comments by WD on the Horvat line: 9 hours ago, spook007 said: That last game was a disgrace, and I'm sure we can all agree on that. And agree that we are in transition and that this team isn't scoring enough. However, disagree that Hansen has to play with Horvat. Once Hansen is back in the line-up the balance gets far better, and Megna won't be in the top 9. I can easily see Horvat having Hansen on his wing and the excitement it would create, but think, with the players we have, the other lines would continue to struggle. Not trying to stifle Horvat, but if Hansen doesn't go back on the Sedin line, we can wave any playoff hope good bye.... or that's how I see it at least. Keep the Baertschi, Horvat, and Burrows line together; Hansen gets to ride shotgun with the Twins so that he can use his speed to create space for them; Eriksson on the second line with Granlund and Sutter and hope they can create enough secondary offense to stay afloat as they face more tougher opposition. Daniel - Henrik - Hansen Granlund - Sutter - Eriksson Baertschi - Horvat - Burrows Gaunce - Chaput - Skille/Megna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austy Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Could you have bo centering the sedins? Have a sutter granlund errikson 2nd shut down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 53 minutes ago, Blömqvist said: Keep the Baertschi, Horvat, and Burrows line together; Hansen gets to ride shotgun with the Twins so that he can use his speed to create space for them; Eriksson on the second line with Granlund and Sutter and hope they can create enough secondary offense to stay afloat as they face more tougher opposition. Daniel - Henrik - Hansen Granlund - Sutter - Eriksson Baertschi - Horvat - Burrows Gaunce - Chaput - Skille/Megna Yes this is also my view of the team. Its as balanced as it gets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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