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16 hours ago, gurn said:

 

I've given a bit of thought and I'm thinking my original analogy was actually pretty close, Vince was acting under orders from  his God, while the soldiers were acting under the orders of their superiors or government.

Fair enough.

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11 hours ago, Down by the River said:

To me, society benefits when intelligent and hardworking people are able to succeed. Ensuring these people have outlets for their success seems important to me.

I agree with you on this wholeheartedly but that's not how things work sometimes, many people are given the short end of the stick in life and it's up to them on how to fix it and work with society. One can not be born poor and use that as an excuse to give up or turn to a life of crime. Just like someone with mental health issues should not use that as an excuse to kill or hurt others in society especially when there are meds that they can take to fix whatever problem they might have. I am sure that the majority of people with mental heath issues will not just get up and kill someone, this is the minority, the majority of people with mental health issues are invisible because they are able to overcome thier disadvantages and blend into society and be an important contributer. So letting someone off easy for murder because they have issues is not acceptable to me. If the doctors say that this man is mentally capable enough to be let into society, doesn't it mean that he should have been capable enough to be tried as a capable adult? 

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7 hours ago, gurn said:

 

I've given a bit of thought and I'm thinking my original analogy was actually pretty close, Vince was acting under orders from  his God, while the soldiers were acting under the orders of their superiors or government.

Poligamists are under the impression that thier god says it's OK to have more than on wife, doesn't mean it's ok.

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14 minutes ago, smokes said:

I agree with you on this wholeheartedly but that's not how things work sometimes, many people are given the short end of the stick in life and it's up to them on how to fix it and work with society. One can not be born poor and use that as an excuse to give up or turn to a life of crime. Just like someone with mental health issues should not use that as an excuse to kill or hurt others in society especially when there are meds that they can take to fix whatever problem they might have. I am sure that the majority of people with mental heath issues will not just get up and kill someone, this is the minority, the majority of people with mental health issues are invisible because they are able to overcome thier disadvantages and blend into society and be an important contributer. So letting someone off easy for murder because they have issues is not acceptable to me. If the doctors say that this man is mentally capable enough to be let into society, doesn't it mean that he should have been capable enough to be tried as a capable adult? 

Do you know what insight is in psychiatry?

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6 hours ago, smokes said:

Poligamists are under the impression that thier god says it's OK to have more than on wife, doesn't mean it's ok.

What's wrong with having multiple wives? Those that have them seem to think it is a fulfilling experience.

 

Besides it's like you said, some people are intelligent, some are rich, some are blessed with great health.

 

Some have multiple wives.

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42 minutes ago, Toews said:

What's wrong with having multiple wives? Those that have them seem to think it is a fulfilling experience.

 

Besides it's like you said, some people are intelligent, some are rich, some are blessed with great health.

 

Some have multiple wives.

If you can get away with multiple wives in North America without the law on your back...more power to you.

 

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1 hour ago, Toews said:

What's wrong with having multiple wives? Those that have them seem to think it is a fulfilling experience.

 

Besides it's like you said, some people are intelligent, some are rich, some are blessed with great health.

 

Some have multiple wives.

That's how they put it? I would think it would be something more along the lines of.....beautifully dazed, constantly cross-eyed, with an eternal smile on your face.

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Wow ...they freed him !!

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/cp-newsalert-freedom-granted-man-221251763.html

 

WINNIPEG — A schizophrenic man who was found not criminally responsible for beheading and cannibalizing a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus was granted an absolute discharge Friday.

That means he will no longer be subject to any conditions or monitoring to ensure he takes his medication.

Manitoba's Criminal Code Review Board granted a request from Will Baker's lawyer to give Baker his full freedom, nine years after the brutal stabbing that horrified passengers.

The board "is of the opinion that the weight of evidence does not substantiate that Mr. Baker poses a significant threat to the safety of the public," the written decision read in part.

Baker, formerly known as Vince Li, was initially kept in a secure wing of a psychiatric hospital. He was granted more freedom and privileges every year at his review board hearings, starting with escorted walks on the hospital grounds.

His doctors described him as a model patient who had not been treated for schizophrenia at the time of his attack. After his arrest and placement at the hospital, he responded well to medication and understood that he must continue to take it to keep his illness at bay, they said.

Baker started living on his own in a Winnipeg apartment last November but was still subject to rules and nightly monitoring to ensure he took his medication. His lawyer has asked the review board Monday to strip away the remaining conditions and give Baker complete freedom.

The victim's mother, Carol de Delley, has been outspoken against granting Baker freedom, arguing there would be no way to ensure he continued to take his medication.

She declined comment Friday in a Facebook post.

"I have no words," she wrote.

Conservative member of Parliament James Bezan has also criticized Baker's release. He said earlier in the week it would be an insult to de Delley and McLean's other relatives.

Baker's defenders include Chris Summerville, executive director of the Manitoba Schizophrenia Society, who has met and worked with him over the years.

"He is no longer a violent person," Summerville said.

"I will say, yes, he absolutely understands that he has to (take his medication) and has a desire to live a responsible, moral life and never succumb to psychotic episodes and not to hurt anybody ever again."

On the night of the attack, Baker sat next to 22-year-old Tim McLean — a complete stranger — after the young man smiled at him and asked how he was doing.

Baker said he heard the voice of God telling him to kill the young carnival worker or "die immediately."

He repeatedly stabbed McLean while the young man fought for his life. As passengers fled the bus, Baker continued stabbing and mutilating the body.

The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 1999 that a review board must order an absolute discharge if a person doesn't pose a significant threat to public safety.

The ruling added there must be clear evidence of a significant risk to the public for the review board to continue imposing conditions after a person is found not criminally responsible.

Steve Lambert, The Canadian Press

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Well... I hope that he is truly sorrow for his past actions and will do everything in his power to make sure he takes his meds.  

If not, and another tragedy occurs, I hope that all the names of the decision-makers and doctors examining him are made public and are held accountable.  

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44 minutes ago, Hugor Hill said:

The court chose liberty over punishment. Justice is not same as vengeance.

 

What would be the sentence (prison time) for cutting off a person's head, and eating it for someone without mental illness?  I know this Li guy served 8 years in hospital.  Maybe he should serve a proper amount of time on top of that as a consequence of his crime?  You know, 8+17=25 kind of thing?  Then he pays his debt to society.  

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On ‎2017‎-‎02‎-‎07 at 7:17 AM, KelownaCanucksFan said:

And the last time he went off his drugs how'd that work out for the victim, don't worry he's fine too, he was freaking beheaded and eaten. This guys should not be allowed out without direct supervision, he is a danger to the community and should be treated as such. If they do release him and he killls again then every doctor and therapist that said he is ok to be released should be held criminally responsible and do jail time.

"His doctors described him as a model patient who had not been treated for schizophrenia at the time of his attack."

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MENTAL DISORDER AND CANADIAN CRIMINAL LAW

BACKGROUND

Canadian courts have long had the power, in prescribed circumstances, to exempt an individual from criminal responsibility for actions performed while he or she was incapacitated by a mental disorder. That power rests on “the basic principle of Canadian criminal law that to be convicted of a crime, the state must prove not only a wrongful act, but also a guilty mind.”(1) Consequently, Canada’s Criminal Code has always provided that persons will not be held criminally liable for their actions if their mental state at the time rendered them “incapable of appreciating” the nature and quality of the act and knowing that it was wrong.  In such a case, however, it may be necessary for the state to exercise some level of control over those mentally disordered individuals who are believed to pose a threat to others.  Thus, Parliament is faced with the challenge of achieving a balance between individual rights and public safety. 

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