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Canucks have 5 good shooters... how about pairing two with a Sedin?


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I am presenting this as hypothetical situation... hypothetical because WD will never do this... he is too busy covering his butt.  :unsure:

 

The reality is... the Sedin's twin magic is a thing of the past... all the facts are right in front of our noses to inspect.

 

How many points between them since mid November?

 

All they do now is cycle the puck  back and forth... usually only for a few seconds, sometimes for 30 seconds... but in either case, there are usually no decent shots on net... unless you count the obligatory shot from the point... which is usually not screened.

 

And then of course, when not in the offensive zone, any line with two Sedins on it has a big defensive handicap... Daniel is playing as badly as he was when he was a rookie, and Henrik is barely better.  The first two Nashville goals were a direct result of Daniel's poor defensive play.

 

He has zero confidence in shooting...  but he can still pass.... Henrik is still making good passes.

 

And this Canucks team does have at least 5 players who do show a real talent for shooting the puck.  3 of 5 of the below have scored 20+ goals on a season, and the other two have at least the potential to do the same.

 

Eriksson

Sutter

Horvat

Hansen

Granlund

 

 

Is it not time to split up the Sedins and put one each on lines with any two of the above?  See what they can do in a different environment, with different linemates?

 

Especially since Baertschi is going to likely be out for a game or two.

 

So for example:

 

Daniel Horvat Hansen

 or

Daniel Horvat Granlund

 or

Eriksson Henrik Sutter

 or

Eriksson Henrik Hansen

 

You could even keep Burr on the Horvat line... (he's scored 35 playing with Daniel)

 

Daniel Horvat Burrows

 

Its gotta be better than enduring the rest of the season watching the Sedins waste 1st line time cycling the puck to no result.

 

Too bad WD doesn't have the b*lls to do it.

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Any time someone mentions splitting the twins up, you can expect a backlash of  defendish warriors to come out and play.  But I have a question for all the members who still feel this is a bad idea.  Do you honestly think that daniel and henrik are going to rekindle their magik ways?  Its highly unlikely!  And furthermore, why would anyone think that its sacrilege to take 2, sixteen year nhl veterans who have combined for almost 2000 pts,  and use their skill and knowledge to balance a team that is struggling to find a future.  The fact that it's not being tried suggests either one of two things,  daniel and henrik are too stubborn to allow it,  or the coaching staff doesn't have the balls to make it happen.  Regardless, i always thought that together the twins defied the odds, but now it appears that they have ran into a wall. I want to see them on our team for as long as possible, and perhaps splitting them up will give them longer careers, and a renewed sense of purpose!

 

    

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23 minutes ago, ThePeaceAwakens said:

Any time someone mentions splitting the twins up, you can expect a backlash of  defendish warriors to come out and play.  But I have a question for all the members who still feel this is a bad idea.  Do you honestly think that daniel and henrik are going to rekindle their magik ways?  Its highly unlikely!  And furthermore, why would anyone think that its sacrilege to take 2, sixteen year nhl veterans who have combined for almost 2000 pts,  and use their skill and knowledge to balance a team that is struggling to find a future.  The fact that it's not being tried suggests either one of two things,  daniel and henrik are too stubborn to allow it,  or the coaching staff doesn't have the balls to make it happen.  Regardless, i always thought that together the twins defied the odds, but now it appears that they have ran into a wall. I want to see them on our team for as long as possible, and perhaps splitting them up will give them longer careers, and a renewed sense of purpose!

 

    

I agree,

 

This is probably the first time that splitting them is warranted.  In the past they had slump and rough patches, but we knew that splitting them up wasn't a long-term solution.   But now, it's not a slump, it's a bad season.   Together they seem like they are too slow, if they want to stretch their career a few years, they should be split up and paired with young fast leg.....similar to how Jagr did it with Huberdeau, Barkov, etc.

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54 minutes ago, The Game said:

 

What do you mean, he's got a great shot! Look at that aim! 

Notice the lazy line change by the Sedin...stick in one hand and holstered, coasting to the bench...LE was passing to Sedin...he saw a blue shirt (corner of eye) and passed it to him. Half way across the ice and he had his stick holstered...brutal

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Last game vs the Preds, Sutter was on the PP with the Sedins. He got a few passes and had a chance to shoot each time; however, he was reluctant to shoot and never shot, rather he passed the puck. The structure was poor because everything was on the perimeter and no one was driving the net for the rebound, tip or screen. The Preds knew the Sedins would pass the puck because their ability to shoot (snipe) is poor.

 

It doesn't matter who plays with the Sedins, the play will always be on the perimeter and it will be a pass first mentality. Creating pressure in the danger zone by driving to the net is not there because the structure is on the perimeter.

Teams now know how to play them...passive and close the gap when they are cycling on the boards. Most teams break up the cycle by reading the perimeter play sooner than later.

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34 minutes ago, Pete M said:

Notice the lazy line change by the Sedin...stick in one hand and holstered, coasting to the bench...LE was passing to Sedin...he saw a blue shirt (corner of eye) and passed it to him. Half way across the ice and he had his stick holstered...brutal

Ummm... No. He clearly saw his line changing, therefore he tried to pass the puck back to Guddy to change himself. Unfortunately he scored on his own net. Oh well...it's over with now and it has nothing to do with why he isn't playing well now.

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10 minutes ago, J-23 said:

Ummm... No. He clearly saw his line changing, therefore he tried to pass the puck back to Guddy to change himself. Unfortunately he scored on his own net. Oh well...it's over with now and it has nothing to do with why he isn't playing well now.

respectfully disagree...he had his stick holstered half way across the ice...LE passed the puck to him.

The puck went past Sedin's skates...poor habits on the line change by the Sedin contributed to that goal.

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1 hour ago, ThePeaceAwakens said:

Any time someone mentions splitting the twins up, you can expect a backlash of  defendish warriors to come out and play.  But I have a question for all the members who still feel this is a bad idea.  Do you honestly think that daniel and henrik are going to rekindle their magik ways?  Its highly unlikely!  And furthermore, why would anyone think that its sacrilege to take 2, sixteen year nhl veterans who have combined for almost 2000 pts,  and use their skill and knowledge to balance a team that is struggling to find a future.  The fact that it's not being tried suggests either one of two things,  daniel and henrik are too stubborn to allow it,  or the coaching staff doesn't have the balls to make it happen.  Regardless, i always thought that together the twins defied the odds, but now it appears that they have ran into a wall. I want to see them on our team for as long as possible, and perhaps splitting them up will give them longer careers, and a renewed sense of purpose!

 

    

Yes, but the respect the Twins are given is absolutely earned though, don't you think?

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1 hour ago, Pete M said:

Notice the lazy line change by the Sedin...stick in one hand and holstered, coasting to the bench...LE was passing to Sedin...he saw a blue shirt (corner of eye) and passed it to him. Half way across the ice and he had his stick holstered...brutal

They do that lazy line change all the time now.

 

But they also play far, far too many minutes at this stage of their career. It's like that beer leaguer who never gets off the ice; sure he's out there but he ain't doing squat because there's no energy to translate into effort.

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I like the idea of transitioning Horvat to the top line by pairing him with a Sedin. It makes sense to me. It's obvious the Sedin's magic isn't so magical these days. Maybe they would also welcome the idea? Their stats are suffering (especially Daniel), and maybe putting him on a line with Horvat and Hansen would give him a spark?

 

Then, when the Sedins eventually take over 2nd line duties (and later retire), Horvat will be comfortable playing on the top line against top players.

 

Daniel - Horvat - Hansen

Eriksson - Henrik - Sutter

 

What do they have to lose? Games? (haha, they're already doing that)  

 

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2 hours ago, Creepy Crawler said:

Sutter and Hansen has so far been most effective with the Sedins this season.

Nope, thats not the case at all. If you look at the actual production and line combo %'s, Loui has been their best partner and should have simply been left with them all season. Willie's diddling (like he did with Vrbata) is the main reason for Loui's lower production this year. 

 

I know its super popular to sh!t on Loui on CDC but its not warranted. He's only on pace for 33 pts thanks to Willie's awful deployment. 

 

This is Daniels production this year (http://dobberhockey.com/players/daniel-sedin)

Even Strength Line Combinations
Freq Line Combination
44.6% ERIKSSON,LOUI - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK
23.3% SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK - SUTTER,BRANDON
19.8% HANSEN,JANNIK - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK
9.9% MEGNA,JAYSON - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK
2.4% BAERTSCHI,SVEN - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK
Even Strength Line Production (21)
Pts %Total Line Combination
9 42.9% ERIKSSON,LOUI - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK
4 19% HANSEN,JANNIK - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK
2 9.5% SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK - SUTTER,BRANDON
1 4.8% MEGNA,JAYSON - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK
1 4.8% BAERTSCHI,SVEN - SEDIN,DANIEL - SEDIN,HENRIK
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We really don't need another 'split the twins' thread. 

 

Having said that,  

In the past, the main reason for not splitting them up was they are just so damn good together.  They also have a big say in the team and don't want to be split up.

 

But nowadays, they are becoming a defensive liability when playing together.  

They aged a lot this year and are a half a step slower then before. (And they were already pretty slow). 

Thats 2 out of 3 forwards on a line that can't quickly back check, can't quickly get back and break up a play after a mistake, etc....

 

Unfortunately, it is quite clear they are almost done.    It has been an absolute gift and a pleasure watching their amazing careers.  

They have done so much for the team and community. 

But this team needs to start thinking more about what needs to be done to win. 

The twins together are no longer the best option, neither offensively or defensively. 

 

Split them up for the year. 

Try to find a replacement in the offseason. 

Next year, let them enjoy their last year together on the third line. 

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