Bur14Kes17 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Kasperi Kapanen and a 3rd for Tanev Kapanens only 20, has had a relaly good year in the AHL, 16 goals and 33pts in 33 games, and would have made the Leafs this year if not for the fact they were already bringing in 4 insanely good rookies. However, Kapanen is unproven in the NHL at this point. leafs need a shut down defensemen and a Tanev fits the need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucypass Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Make it a 2nd and a 5th instead of a 3rd and I'd take the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 22 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Kasperi Kapanen and a 3rd for Tanev Kapanens only 20, has had a relaly good year in the AHL, 16 goals and 33pts in 33 games, and would have made the Leafs this year if not for the fact they were already bringing in 4 insanely good rookies. However, Kapanen is unproven in the NHL at this point. leafs need a shut down defensemen and a Tanev fits the need I don't know why you received a negative, so I evened it for you. I think this is a good trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 An established NHLer with a cap-friendly contract for a former first rounder who is still a potential NHLer plus a mid draft pick? No thanks. The only way I would move Tanev is if the Canucks can get back a NHLer with 2-3 years experience (maybe a fourth or fifth d-man with the potential to develop into a bona-fide top three d-man or a third-line forward with the potential to be a top six), plus a higher draft pick (second round). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Not enough for Tanev. We should be able to get a good, young, proven NHLer for Tanman. Pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, luckylager said: Not enough for Tanev. We should be able to get a good, young, proven NHLer for Tanman. Pass Could always make that 3rd a 2nd and ask for a 5th as well. I doubt we could get both Kapanen and a 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, luckylager said: Not enough for Tanev. We should be able to get a good, young, proven NHLer for Tanman. Pass Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Odd. said: Who? Not that I want him, but considering we're talking about the leafs - Bozak maybe. Top six calibre, young. I'm one of "those" in the Landy camp though. Once Sakic comes back down to earth, Tanev and paperwork for Landy is my hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Could always make that 3rd a 2nd and ask for a 5th as well. I doubt we could get both Kapanen and a 1st PT per game as a 20yr old in the AHL means nothing. Could be less than Hodgeson. I'm not at all interested in seeing JB trade Tanev for picks and "Hodgeson" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I like the baseline of this trade. I think they can add in another prospect. Someone like Andrew Nieslen, who's having a pretty good rookie season in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, luckylager said: Not that I want him, but considering we're talking about the leafs - Bozak maybe. Top six calibre, young. I'm one of "those" in the Landy camp though. Once Sakic comes back down to earth, Tanev and paperwork for Landy is my hope. Most young proven NHL'ers come very expensive. Although Tanev a great defenseman, I don't think he'll fetch a player that fits the above description alone unless he's packaged with other assets. And Bozak is turning 31 next month. Not exactly young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Odd. said: Most young proven NHL'ers come very expensive. Although Tanev a great defenseman, I don't think he'll fetch a player that fits the above description alone unless he's packaged with other assets. And Bozak is turning 31 next month. Not exactly young. Lmao! I must be getting old, thinking Bozak was still "young". My mistake! Tanev is a top 4 defender on any team in the NHL, the return should be a top 6 forward of comparable age, preferably younger. That's what I'm thinking. Tanev + paperwork for Landy. Sticking to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Odd. said: I don't know why you received a negative, so I evened it for you. I think this is a good trade. Odd......think about this....... When and where have you ever seen a proven top 2 defensemen traded for a Prospect and a 3rd....I like Kapanen and want him, but he is unproven at the NHL level, the Leafs would have him on their team, if he were that good (meaning already NHL caliber). The 3rd has an average chance of developing into a NHLer......the only reason they sparkle is that there is an odd (pardon the pun) chance of being something special. Just look at previous TDL trades......most of the players traded are on the last year of theiir contracts or older established players that are decent, but winding down some what. Tanev is a proven talent.......which has to equal more than a prospect not named Mathews, Marner, or Nylander + a mid to late 1st + that 2/3rd pick or another propsect IMO, adding Tanev to Toronto's kids, and they drop their goals against substantially......just my opinion...they become more dangerous, as their 1st RD becomes their 2nd RD and so on......remember Reilly and Tanev have already played together, and showed well, and that is why all the Leaf fans want him.......they just don't want to pay. Just don't negotiate down for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green⌃Arrow Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 We'd be fleeced considering Tanev on average allows the least goals in entire NHL while he is on the ice. Remember when Shinkaruk was leading the AHL in goals and points? Where's he at now? Kapanen + 1st or a proven top 6 scorer should be the return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Odd......think about this....... When and where have you ever seen a proven top 2 defensemen traded for a Prospect and a 3rd....I like Kapanen and want him, but he is unproven at the NHL level, the Leafs would have him on their team, if he were that good (meaning already NHL caliber). The 3rd has an average chance of developing into a NHLer......the only reason they sparkle is that there is an odd (pardon the pun) chance of being something special. Just look at previous TDL trades......most of the players traded are on the last year of theiir contracts or older established players that are decent, but winding down some what. Tanev is a proven talent.......which has to equal more than a prospect not named Mathews, Marner, or Nylander + a mid to late 1st + that 2/3rd pick or another propsect IMO, adding Tanev to Toronto's kids, and they drop their goals against substantially......just my opinion Now obviously I wouldn't trade Tanev for an unproven prospect alone, and I'd want an extra draft pick. However, I'm not convinced Tanev has top 2 defenseman value on the market. On our team, yes, he's a top 2 defenseman. His advanced stats are very impressive, and his blocked shot totals and just the fact that whenever he's on the ice the amount of GA is decreased which is very good. But I feel that he's slightly overrated in terms of value (I think he's one of the most underrated defensive defensemans in the league just based on performance). And that's probably because he's one of the only players on our team that actually has decent amount of trade value and with the current state of our team, it would be logical to maximize that trade value before it diminishes. And that's not belittling Tanev's role in any way. He's been our best defenseman for a few solid seasons but the fact that HE, which again, nothing against Tanev, has been our best defenseman shows how weak our d-core's been over the years that a defensive defenseman with no really offensive upside has essentially been our number 1. In fact, we could actually use this to our advantage as Tanev value is exaggerated. I see that extremely unlikely though. The thought of trading Tanev hurts, I really do like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Odd. said: Now obviously I wouldn't trade Tanev for an unproven prospect alone, and I'd want an extra draft pick. However, I'm not convinced Tanev has top 2 defenseman value on the market. On our team, yes, he's a top 2 defenseman. His advanced stats are very impressive, and his blocked shot totals and just the fact that whenever he's on the ice the amount of GA is decreased which is very good. But I feel that he's slightly overrated in terms of value (I think he's one of the most underrated defensive defensemans in the league just based on performance). And that's probably because he's one of the only players on our team that actually has decent amount of trade value and with the current state of our team, it would be logical to maximize that trade value before it diminishes. And that's not belittling Tanev's role in any way. He's been our best defenseman for a few solid seasons but the fact that HE, which again, nothing against Tanev, has been our best defenseman shows how weak our d-core's been over the years that a defensive defenseman with no really offensive upside has essentially been our number 1. In fact, we could actually use this to our advantage as Tanev value is exaggerated. I see that extremely unlikely though. The thought of trading Tanev hurts, I really do like him. Well this is the politest disagreement I have had on here.... LOL, so I say respectfully................Tanev is a first on a few of teams, a 2nd on most teams, and a 3rd on some of the very strong team.......but he is on average a medium #2, and yes on Vancouver he has surpassed Edler, so I agree he is our #1. But far more important, he would be the best RD on Toronto by a country mile, which is why they want him. His value to Toronto his large, just not the big 3 type of Large. If Toronto was near the bottom with no chance at the playoffs and a high lottery pick.......Tanev doesn't get Kapanen + the 1st +, but I think they are a bubble team, as they have proven, before they get Tanev............and to put more to this.......this is really the last time Vancouver has the opportunity to trade Tanev before his NTC kicks in, his highest value will be at this years TDL...... Peace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Well this is the politest disagreement I have had on here.... LOL, so I say respectfully................Tanev is a first on a few of teams, a 2nd on most teams, and a 3rd on some of the very strong team.......but he is on average a medium #2, and yes on Vancouver he has surpassed Edler, so I agree he is our #1. But far more important, he would be the best RD on Toronto by a country mile, which is why they want him. His value to Toronto his large, just not the big 3 type of Large. If Toronto was near the bottom with no chance at the playoffs and a high lottery pick.......Tanev doesn't get Kapanen + the 1st +, but I think they are a bubble team, as they have proven, before they get Tanev............and to put more to this.......this is really the last time Vancouver has the opportunity to trade Tanev before his NTC kicks in, his highest value will be at this years TDL...... Peace! Again, I don't fully disagree with you. However I'd like you to mention the teams where he'd be a first on (other than us). Toronto's first is Morgan Reilly. Nikita Zaitsev is having a helluva season in his rookie year although 25 and has had a few years in the KHL. He's their right handed defenseman that is playing with Reilly. After that, there's Gardiner then the rest is interchangeable. I kinda agree with your second paragraph. But as of right now, they're in a playoff spot and they'll look to fix their defensive woes. Toronto, with the prospects they have, and the picks, they surely could afford to offload a few of em which for us would benefit greatly as again with the current state of our team, recouping draft picks and gaining valuable prospects is the best way to go as I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Again, any proposal involving Tanev to Toronto that doesn't have Nylander coming our way, hard pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Value is in the eye of the beholder. We should hold Tanev at a high price because he is our best defensemen. Are you comfortable trading our best defenseman, on a good hit and term, at a good age, for an unproven prospect and a 2nd round pick? No way in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 7 hours ago, Pears said: Again, any proposal involving Tanev to Toronto that doesn't have Nylander coming our way, hard pass. Agreed. I'd start out fishing for Marner...which would take Tanev plus Boeser/Juolevi plus our 1st...which would just allow their laughter and discussion to get started. Then I'd pull back and figure out what we'd need to add to Tanev in order to land Nylander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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