Roger Neilsons Towel Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Quote FLUTO SHINZAWA | ON HOCKEY Are trade winds blowing between Boston and Colorado? Defenseman Brandon Carlo would be a desirable player for the Avalanche if the Bruins decide to do business. By Fluto ShinzawaGLOBE STAFF FEBRUARY 12, 2017 Don Sweeney made his move behind the bench by replacing Claude Julien with Bruce Cassidy. His next move may be with his roster. For most of Sunday’s 18-minute second intermission, the Bruins general manager spoke to Colorado counterpart Joe Sakic in Section N24 of TD Garden’s press box. It’s unlikely they were comparing powder conditions between Boston and Denver. Colorado’s season is over. On Sunday, while Sakic was in Boston, his team was in Brooklyn, losing to the Islanders by a 5-1 score. The Avalanche have mastered losing, just like ex-coach Patrick Roy had foreseen when he stepped away and said no thanks to flogging himself behind the Colorado bench in 2016-17. Sakic, credentialed to be at the Garden alongside assistant GM Chris MacFarland and amateur scout Neil Shea, is the steward of the worst team in the league. The Avalanche have 32 points, putting them 28 out of a playoff spot in the Western Conference. So as much heat as Sweeney is feeling, Sakic could be under even more pressure to initiate an overhaul in Denver. Every player — save for Nathan MacKinnon — is for sale. Sakic is listening on everybody else, including captain Gabriel Landeskog and skilled pivot Matt Duchene. As of late last week, according to an Eastern Conference executive, Colorado’s asking prices for all of its property, on expiring contracts or otherwise, were too high for anyone to take seriously. So while Sakic would love to score assets for Jarome Iginla, Rene Bourque, Fedor Tyutin, and John Mitchell, all on expiring contracts, this is not where Sweeney is sniffing. The Bruins prefer help that will extend beyond this year. “I’d prefer to err on the side of a player that will integrate into us on the longer term,” Sweeney said last Tuesday after firing Julien. “Last year, we gave up draft picks. I wasn’t prepared to move players that I felt, in the same regard, that teams had asked for in order to get a higher-level rental or a different kind of rental. I’m not going to deviate. Are there players and do we have a surplus? That’s what I want to try and evaluate, and find out whether or not we can deal from a position of strength.” If the Bruins want to play big-name ball, it will cost them the standard package of young player, prospect, and pick. Players such as Ryan Spooner, Frank Vatrano, Peter Cehlarik, and Colin Miller are not likely to raise Sakic’s eyebrows when it comes to a significant deal. Brandon Carlo, however, is a different story. The Avalanche have some blue-line pieces in Tyson Barrie, Erik Johnson, Francois Beauchemin, and Nikita Zadorov. But part of the reason they’ve allowed a league-high 3.4 goals per game is because the defense remains under construction. Of all the areas they’d like to rebuild, the blue line is the Avalanche’s priority. Carlo would be squarely in their crosshairs. Carlo is from Colorado Springs. But making a push for a hometown player is not the primary motivation behind Colorado’s interest. Carlo hits a whole lot of checkmarks for any team: 20 years old, 6 foot 5 inches with a long reach and excellent stick skills, right-shot defenseman, earning entry-level dough through 2019, a free-and-easy skating style, and a ceiling that makes coaches dreamy. Every GM is seeking such a package. Considering his assets, Carlo is pretty much untouchable, especially for a Black-and-Gold roster that has defensive shortcomings as well. Under normal circumstances, the Bruins would tell Carlo-hungry teams like the Avalanche to pound sand. But this is an unusual time for the Bruins. They have fired the winningest coach in team history. They are fighting not just to make the playoffs but to reshape the roster for years to come. They require more presence at left wing behind Brad Marchand. This may be where they take a run at Landeskog. The Bruins have liked the hard-nosed forward for a while. Landeskog hit his high-water mark in 2013-14, when he scored 26 goals and 39 assists in 81 games while logging 71 penalty minutes. Like most of his teammates, Landeskog, 24, is having a down season. He has 11 goals and 11 assists in 43 games. He is in the third season of a seven-year, $39 million contract. Whether Landeskog’s dip is indicative of future struggles is unknown. The Bruins have options on the right side. Charlie McAvoy, their 2016 first-round pick, appears ready to be a full-time NHLer this fall. They also have Colin Miller, Kevan Miller, and Adam McQuaid, although they are likely to lose one of the right-shot defensemen to the Vegas Golden Knights in the expansion draft. They may also be developing a long-term conclusion on Carlo. He can skate, close off plays with his stick, and rush the puck. But Carlo does not project to be a puck-moving, offensive-minded, pace-pushing defenseman like McAvoy. The way he played under Julien, Carlo’s future looked to be as a shutdown defenseman, which is an easier profile to fill. The trade deadline is March 1. A big-time hockey trade may be hard to execute before then. The Avalanche are in no rush to deal before the deadline when more teams will be in play at the draft in June. The trade market is currently frozen. The Bruins and Avalanche could get it flowing. http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2017/02/12/bruins-and-avalanche-could-trading-partners/pLYYWIbqxndRy17imay7gP/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe:social:googleamp:sharetools A Carlo for Landeskog trade could possibly be in the works. If the Canucks are still interested, this may put us out of the running, as the only similar piece we would have to offer would be Tryamkin, which I would not trade IMO. Even for a stud like Landeskog. What are your thoughts on this report? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Roger Neilson's Towel said: A Carlo for Landeskog trade could possibly be in the works. If the Canucks are still interested, this may put us out of the running, as the only similar piece we would have to offer would be Tryamkin, which I would not trade IMO. Even for a stud like Landeskog. What are your thoughts on this report? Discuss. We have a much better RHD shut defender on a good contract. Tanev is a good as a trading chip. He could stabilize their d corps far better than Carlo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Remember when we were all JB! Don't take Carlo. He's not gonna be better than a third pair guy! Now maybe he is the centerpiece in acquiring a 1st line forward for the B's lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: We have a much better RHD shut defender on a good contract. Tanev is a good as a trading chip. He could stabilize their d corps far better than Carlo. Av's aren't thinking about stability for today, they are thinking about tomorrow. Carlo is a 20 year old rookie 21 minutes per game. If he keeps his trajectory, he's going to become a lot better than Tanev currently is, not to mention he's 6'5" and not afraid to play physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Derp... said: Remember when we were all JB! Don't take Carlo. He's not gonna be better than a third pair guy! Now maybe he is the centerpiece in acquiring a 1st line forward for the B's lol. I don't know about you but I'm still pretty happy with the Boeser pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 hours ago, Roger Neilson's Towel said: A Carlo for Landeskog trade could possibly be in the works. If the Canucks are still interested, this may put us out of the running, as the only similar piece we would have to offer would be Tryamkin, which I would not trade IMO. Even for a stud like Landeskog. What are your thoughts on this report? Discuss. Would Boston give up that much for Landeskog? Gees, that seems like overpaying, considering the Hall return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Would Boston give up that much for Landeskog? Gees, that seems like overpaying, considering the Hall return. At this point I don't think any of Chiarelli's trades should set the benchmark value for the rest of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: At this point I don't think any of Chiarelli's trades should set the benchmark value for the rest of the league. Good point. He did trade Sguin for Errikson too, right? Oh, and the Hamilton to Calgary trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Good point. He did trade Sguin for Errikson too, right? Oh, and the Hamilton to Calgary trade. Indeed he did! Though I can't really fault his return on the Hamilton trade. A 1st and two 2nds doesn't seem that fair off in value. What Chiarelli did with those draft picks though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, HerrDrFunk said: Indeed he did! Though I can't really fault his return on the Hamilton trade. A 1st and two 2nds doesn't seem that fair off in value. What Chiarelli did with those draft picks though.... Really hate Boston, so glad they are going backwards. If they do give up a young stud d for Landeskog, I hope Landeskog plays like our Errikson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Derp... said: Remember when we were all JB! Don't take Carlo. He's not gonna be better than a third pair guy! Now maybe he is the centerpiece in acquiring a 1st line forward for the B's lol. How long until people finally stop listening to the wrong-yet-again clowns from CanucksArmy? They're the Eklunds of hockey player analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Good point. He did trade Sguin for Errikson too, right? Oh, and the Hamilton to Calgary trade. 50 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said: Indeed he did! Though I can't really fault his return on the Hamilton trade. A 1st and two 2nds doesn't seem that fair off in value. What Chiarelli did with those draft picks though.... Chiarelli was in Edmonton when Dougie was traded boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Just now, Ryan Strome said: Chiarelli was in Edmonton when Dougie was traded boys. Crap, you're totally right about that one....which makes sense as it was the one trade out of the three we listed where I would say the return was worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 If Boston gives up Carlo for lando, they're making a huge mistake. Lando is good, but his foot speed has already started to catch up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 4 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Av's aren't thinking about stability for today, they are thinking about tomorrow. Carlo is a 20 year old rookie 21 minutes per game. If he keeps his trajectory, he's going to become a lot better than Tanev currently is, not to mention he's 6'5" and not afraid to play physical. Carlo is younger and more physical than Tanev, so are a lot of defenders. Tanev is a better defender, carries a pairing and has some of the best shot suppression numbers in the NHL. Tanev can steady a d corps having a bad night better than most. He has a proven track record with consistency that no 21 y/o can match. He is also only 26 and on a great contract. Carlo is a great add, but Colorado is in as bad of need for a guy like Tanev as Edmonton was for Larson. While it would hurt to lose Tanev, enough to make the price higher than the Av's would want to pay. That being said, they have strength were we are weakest and vice versa. EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Carlo is younger and more physical than Tanev, so are a lot of defenders. Tanev is a better defender, carries a pairing and has some of the best shot suppression numbers in the NHL. Tanev can steady a d corps having a bad night better than most. He has a proven track record with consistency that no 21 y/o can match. Carlo's potential is sky's the limit, similar to Tryamkin. Av's don't care that tanev is better today, they don't plan on winning today. They want a D that can become their #1, that is carlo, not tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Neilsons Towel Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 5 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Av's aren't thinking about stability for today, they are thinking about tomorrow. Carlo is a 20 year old rookie 21 minutes per game. If he keeps his trajectory, he's going to become a lot better than Tanev currently is, not to mention he's 6'5" and not afraid to play physical. 1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Carlo's potential is sky's the limit, similar to Tryamkin. Av's don't care that tanev is better today, they don't plan on winning today. They want a D that can become their #1, that is carlo, not tanev. ^This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Alflives said: Good point. He did trade Sguin for Errikson too, right? Oh, and the Hamilton to Calgary trade. 5 hours ago, HerrDrFunk said: Indeed he did! Though I can't really fault his return on the Hamilton trade. A 1st and two 2nds doesn't seem that fair off in value. What Chiarelli did with those draft picks though.... Unless I'm mistaken, it was Sweeny at last years draft that traded Hamilton to Calgary for a bunch of picks. Chiarelli was already the Oilers GM by that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 On 2/14/2017 at 5:19 AM, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: We have a much better RHD shut defender on a good contract. Tanev is a good as a trading chip. He could stabilize their d corps far better than Carlo. Except, Colorado's rebuild is at least 3 years away, by that time Tanev is already 30 on an expiring contract. GM101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Drakrami said: Except, Colorado's rebuild is at least 3 years away, by that time Tanev is already 30 on an expiring contract. GM101. 30 with lots of games left to play, on a great contract and would give his d corps a steady hand. Not hard to see where a 26 y/o Tanev would be very desirable for a team like Colorado with young defenders. Tanev is the definition of a foundational player. He provides experience, an example and can log the hard minutes to give the rest of his defence and breather. Colorado has enough young raw talent, they will pick up another top prospect this year. What they need are some key vets to provide leadership and steadiness. Carlo has benefited from having Chara and co to provide that in Boston. Throw him into Colorado and he now is expected to lead the d corps while being 21. He is not Eckblad. If Carlo can garner that much interest, Tanev should be able to equal it. The Avs are the next Oilers. Looking to keep hitting 1st oa picks until a McJesus comes along. The cure isn't to add even more young players, but to add a key vet or two to leader way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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