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4 hours ago, Warhippy said:

We have...Sam gagner 

 

The Hall v Gagner equaion.

 

Who nets the higher picks

Don't forget Yakupov! He might put an extra variable into that equation that tilts everything on its axis!

 

(And with this response I think I can officially say I've been studying physics too much the past couple of days...)

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6 minutes ago, The Lock said:

Don't forget Yakupov! He might put an extra variable into that equation that tilts everything on its axis!

 

(And with this response I think I can officially say I've been studying physics too much the past couple of days...)

Oilers representative: Nugent-Hopkins

 

Avalanche representative: Yakupov

 

Canucks represntative: Sam Gagner

 

Gagner was on the Oilers losing teams the longest and also was there to witness most of the 1st overall picks they have got. Dahlin is a Swede, and Swedes usually finds a way to land on the Canucks. I like our lottery chances :P

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4 minutes ago, ruilin96 said:

Oilers representative: Nugent-Hopkins

 

Avalanche representative: Yakupov

 

Canucks represntative: Sam Gagner

 

Gagner was on the Oilers losing teams the longest and also was there to witness most of the 1st overall picks they have got. Dahlin is a Swede, and Swedes usually finds a way to land on the Canucks. I like our lottery chances :P

If we get both Dahlin and Dahlen, is that close enough to having Swedish Twins?....

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14 hours ago, ruilin96 said:

Gagner was on the Oilers losing teams the longest and also was there to witness most of the 1st overall picks they have got. Dahlin is a Swede, and Swedes usually finds a way to land on the Canucks. I like our lottery chances :P

After reviewing the evidence, I believe you speak the truth!!! I love this logic ::D

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19 hours ago, ruilin96 said:

Gadjovich-Pettersson-Boeser

Goldobin-Horvat-Dahlen

Lind-Gaudette-Virtanen

Granlund-Gaunce-Lockwood

MacEwan

 

Juolevi-Tanev

Pouliot-Gudbranson

Hutton-Stecher

Brisebois, Chatfield

 

Demko

Dipietro

 

If that is our D moving forward were in trouble. OJ DP Edler Tanev and Gudy are studs. I think Guddy is trade bait maybe using him and Sven ++for a good young puck moving D or Picks what do I know?.. Given how well Tanev has played this year. Stepping it up in both ends, watching the guy is great I wonder if Jb would entertain talks on him. He might be able to get A haul Throw in Vanek and you have 3 guys that could get us a 1st plus Tanev will get at least At least An A prospect,. Be A good draft to have quite A few firsts. This draft they say has up to 15 1-2 elite puck moving d 

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On ‎12‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 12:02 PM, coastal.view said:

he should move to the SHL when his contract permits that

nothing really to be gained for him or the team to move him to north america in february

let him play with petersson for 3 months if that can be arranged

Correct me if I'm wrong .....As far as I understand Vaxjo is out on Dahlen. Likely Brynas or Utica\Nux I'd prefer to see him in the AHL in January. I think the smaller ice will amplify Dahlen's talents. He is relentless on puck persuit and I expect with less ice he will keep teams hemmed in their own zone quite nicely. Let him find his feet on NA ice I believe he will excel. 

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3 hours ago, hammertime said:

Correct me if I'm wrong .....As far as I understand Vaxjo is out on Dahlen. Likely Brynas or Utica\Nux I'd prefer to see him in the AHL in January. I think the smaller ice will amplify Dahlen's talents. He is relentless on puck persuit and I expect with less ice he will keep teams hemmed in their own zone quite nicely. Let him find his feet on NA ice I believe he will excel. 

Might be only tier 2, but its still against men and he is tearing it up. I agree I think his style will be great on the smaller ice.  reminds me of A young Vanek offensively. very good on D as well One thing I have noticed is how good Vanek is without the puck. is that always been his game?  To the point, he should be brought over here 4 sure. Mono killed his 1st chance. Now he would go to Utica in peak hockey condition. Be cool to see Gaudette. Sounds like that's the plan from what it says on his thread. Wonder if OJ could join us once his season ended? Not like he has A contraCT CHEERS MERRY CHRISTMAS

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2 hours ago, bp79 said:

Might be only tier 2, but its still against men and he is tearing it up. I agree I think his style will be great on the smaller ice.  reminds me of A young Vanek offensively. very good on D as well One thing I have noticed is how good Vanek is without the puck. is that always been his game?  To the point, he should be brought over here 4 sure. Mono killed his 1st chance. Now he would go to Utica in peak hockey condition. Be cool to see Gaudette. Sounds like that's the plan from what it says on his thread. Wonder if OJ could join us once his season ended? Not like he has A contraCT CHEERS MERRY CHRISTMAS

Utica could use a boost right about now. Our injuries are stripping them bare.

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18 hours ago, bp79 said:

Might be only tier 2, but its still against men and he is tearing it up. I agree I think his style will be great on the smaller ice.  reminds me of A young Vanek offensively. very good on D as well One thing I have noticed is how good Vanek is without the puck. is that always been his game?  To the point, he should be brought over here 4 sure. Mono killed his 1st chance. Now he would go to Utica in peak hockey condition. Be cool to see Gaudette. Sounds like that's the plan from what it says on his thread. Wonder if OJ could join us once his season ended? Not like he has A contraCT CHEERS MERRY CHRISTMAS

I believe two tier 2 teams are moved up to the SHL each year and two are dropped down. Not knowing how many teams are in the two leagues not sure if this is significant. I guess one could argue that the level of play would me more competitive than one would think.  

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30 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

i would take Gaudette now if we could.  his season isnt quite over yet though :)

These guys are all coming soon.  But sticking with the guys we have (minus Bo for now) will surely drop us down to a certain top five pick.  We need more young D.

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59 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I believe two tier 2 teams are moved up to the SHL each year and two are dropped down. Not knowing how many teams are in the two leagues not sure if this is significant. I guess one could argue that the level of play would me more competitive than one would think.  

It’s a little more complicated but I’ll try to explain. Unfortunately, Wikipedia hasn’t updated the qualification rules and still lists the format from 2014 on some pages.

 

But basically, there are 14 SHL teams and 14 HockeyAllsvenskan teams. The bottom two SHL teams are forced to play in the SHL qualifiers.

 

The top two (regular season) HockeyAllsvenskan teams play in the HockeyAllsvenskan Finals, a best of five series, with the winner advancing to the SHL qualifiers. The Finals winner then plays a best of seven series against the 14th ranked SHL team. The winner of that best of seven series then advances to the next SHL season and the series loser is demoted to HockeyAllsvenskan.

 

The loser from the HockeyAllsvenskan Finals (the best of five series between the top two HockeyAllsvenskan teams) plays a best of three series against the winner of the HockeyAllsvenskan Playoffs (a round robin tournament between the HockeyAllsvenskan teams ranked 3-8). The winning team (of the best of three) then plays a best of seven series against the 13th ranked SHL team. The winner of that series advances to the SHL next season and the loser goes to HockeyAllsvenskan.

 

About as clear as mud?

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44 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

As far as what the above has to say about the relative competitiveness between SHL and HockeyAllsvenskan, I’d say the results of the SHL qualifiers offer some information.

 

On average, each year you generally see one of the bottom SHL teams retain their position and another demoted and replaced by a HockeyAllsvenskan team. Some years, both SHL teams win the qualifiers and there’s no turnover. Other years, both bottom SHL teams are replaced. 

 

Which suggests that, generally speaking, the top HockeyAllsvenskan teams are pretty similar in quality to the bottom SHL teams. A very good Allsvenskan team might even be equal to 7-10 ranked SHL team (basically a bubble team for the SHL playoffs), but more often than not, the top Allsvenskan teams are roughly equal to the SHL teams in the 11-14 range.

 

The SHL is also considered to have some of the highest parity among European leagues, so outside of the absolute cream of the crop, dominant SHL teams (like a Växjö this year), there’s not a tonne separating the bulk of the teams and therefore, a very good Allsvenskan team isn’t really all that different from a middling SHL team.

 

I’d expect a team like Timrå could hold their own against SHL competition most nights. They’d likely have a negative goal differential for the season (if their current roster played in the SHL). And the equivalencies seem to support this (a quick and dirty calculation suggests Timrå would be somewhere around -13 goal differential in the SHL, versus their current +18 In Allsvenskan). So they’d most likely lose more games than they’d win, but they probably also wouldn’t get embarrassed on most nights. And more often then not, they would have a decent enough chance to win any individual games against an SHL team (even Växjö).

Sid, You go above and beyond! Thanks for all your posts. 

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6 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

As far as what the above has to say about the relative competitiveness between SHL and HockeyAllsvenskan, I’d say the results of the SHL qualifiers offer some information.

 

On average, each year you generally see one of the bottom SHL teams retain their position and another demoted and replaced by a HockeyAllsvenskan team. Some years, both SHL teams win the qualifiers and there’s no turnover. Other years, both bottom SHL teams are replaced. 

 

Which suggests that, generally speaking, the top HockeyAllsvenskan teams are pretty similar in quality to the bottom SHL teams. A very good Allsvenskan team might even be equal to 7-10 ranked SHL team (basically a bubble team for the SHL playoffs), but more often than not, the top Allsvenskan teams are roughly equal to the SHL teams in the 11-14 range.

 

The SHL is also considered to have some of the highest parity among European leagues, so outside of the absolute cream of the crop, dominant SHL teams (like a Växjö this year), there’s not a tonne separating the bulk of the teams and therefore, a very good Allsvenskan team isn’t really all that different from a middling SHL team.

 

I’d expect a team like Timrå could hold their own against SHL competition most nights. They’d likely have a negative goal differential for the season (if their current roster played in the SHL). And the equivalencies seem to support this (a quick and dirty calculation suggests Timrå would be somewhere around -13 goal differential in the SHL, versus their current +18 In Allsvenskan). So they’d most likely lose more games than they’d win, but they probably also wouldn’t get embarrassed on most nights. And more often then not, they would have a decent enough chance to win any individual games against an SHL team (even Växjö).

So far it seems like Timra might have a legitimate chance of moving up to the SEL. They're first in the Allsvenskan while Rogle sits at last in the SEL with only 21 points through 26 games. Knowing that his team has the chance to move up you have to wonder if Dahlen will spend the entire season with Timra. He's clearly their best offensive player, leading the team in scoring with 22 points in 19 games while their second leading scorer has 14 points in 26. Personally, I'd love to see Dahlen carry Timra to the SEL.

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50 minutes ago, dank.sinatra said:

So far this it seems like Timra might have a legitimate chance of moving up to the SEL. They're first in the Allsvenskan while Rogle sits at last in the SEL with only 21 points through 26 games. Knowing that his team has the chance to move up you have to wonder if Dahlen will spend the entire season with Timra. He's clearly their best offensive player, leading the team in scoring with 22 points in 19 games while their second leading scorer has 14 points in 26. Personally, I'd love to see Dahlen carry Timra to the SEL.

I tend to agree.

 

Initially, I hoped to see Dahlén playing in the AHL or SHL this season. But given where Timrå stand right now, I’d enjoy watching him see things through to the end (and hopefully a return to the SHL for 2018-19).

 

He joined that organization the year after they were demoted IIRC, and has been a big part of working their way back to potentially requalifying for the SHL after five years absence. If he can help them get over that final hurtle, it would put a very nice feather in the cap of his career with Timrå. Which would be a fitting way for him to close out his Swedish career before jumping to North America.

 

Plus, leading Timrå back to the SHL might very well earn him free drinks for life (if he hasn’t already) in many of their local establishments. ;) 

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