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Recalling Dahlen is preferable over trading him or draft picks for "veteran" help....if they decide to do that...and nobody wants that.

 

All the same Dahlen isn't going to save our season...unless Horvat is back in 4 games time and Boeser with him ...we are well hooped anyway...if we aren't already that is....

 

Bubble wrap....breathable micro bubble wrap....some has to invent that, we need protection for these kids....

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On 12/17/2017 at 7:41 PM, The Great Canucks said:

Okay, now it's time to recall Dahlen.

Not gonna happen. He's not NHL ready. He's playing in Sweden's second league. That's like Sweden's AHL. He can't go from there to NHL and help the team. 

 

When he does come over next year or year after he'll still probably need some time with Utica for further development and to learn the North American game on smaller ice surface. 

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4 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

Not gonna happen. He's not NHL ready. He's playing in Sweden's second league. That's like Sweden's AHL. He can't go from there to NHL and help the team. 

 

When he does come over next year or year after he'll still probably need some time with Utica for further development and to learn the North American game on smaller ice surface. 

Incorrect, Allsvenskan is not like Sweden's AHL. The 28 teams are divided into two tiers, with the top 14 in the SHL and the bottom 14 in the Allsvenskan. Every year a few of the top teams from the Allsvenskan have the opportunity to get promoted to the SHL while regulating a couple of the bottom teams from the SHL.

 

Off a source I found on google:

"The Kvalserien is a Swedish round-robin hockey tournament used for qualification to the Elitserien. The last two teams from that league face the four best from the Allsvenskan. Each team face each other twice; the teams finishing first and second earn the right to play in the Elitserien the next season, while the other four head to the Allsvenskan."

Dahlen's team is currently tops in the Allsvenskan, so barring any major drop, they should be competing to get into the SHL.

 

To get to my point, Dahlen could be NHL ready right now and he could also not be, but it won't be predicated by the league he plays in.

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Which league is the team demoted to from which league. 

 

The one Dahlen plays in from the top league . But thx for trying. 

 

Dahlen plays in the league against 2nd tier teams on a team which is in the 2ND tier.just because their system is based on soccer leagues doesn't mean it's not their AHL.

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10 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I think maybe we're all jumping the gun a bit here. Let's see how well he does in the SHL first, eh?

Sounds good to me.

 

But if I had it my way I’m much prefer him coming to Utica to get acclimated wait NA ice and help Utica as we are pulling a lot of there Top 6 talent from there with the injury bug we’re dealing with right now.

 

But AHL SHL I just want him in one of those.

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6 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

Which league is the team demoted to from which league. 

 

The one Dahlen plays in from the top league . But thx for trying. 

 

Dahlen plays in the league against 2nd tier teams on a team which is in the 2ND tier.just because their system is based on soccer leagues doesn't mean it's not their AHL.

Arguably, it's more equivalent to that league's playoff and non playoff teams. 

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Arguably, it's more equivalent to that league's playoff and non playoff teams. 

Not at all. They are 2 separate leagues. They have 2 separate names. They have different quality of opponents. Different quality of players. SHL is the better league. 

 

They don't play each other like coyotes (bottom tier) play TBL (top tier).  

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7 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

Which league is the team demoted to from which league. 

 

The one Dahlen plays in from the top league . But thx for trying. 

 

Dahlen plays in the league against 2nd tier teams on a team which is in the 2ND tier.just because their system is based on soccer leagues doesn't mean it's not their AHL.

The AHL is made up of players who can't crack an NHL lineup. If you're playing in the AHL, it's likely because you're not ready/good enough for the NHL.

 

Allsvenskan teams are in the 2nd tier league b/c the team's results have not allowed promotion to the SEL. Nothing about playing in the Allsvenskan instead of the SEL means that an individual player (ie. Dahlen) isn't ready for the NHL. It isn't like playing in the AHL.

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36 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said:

The AHL is made up of players who can't crack an NHL lineup. If you're playing in the AHL, it's likely because you're not ready/good enough for the NHL.

 

Allsvenskan teams are in the 2nd tier league b/c the team's results have not allowed promotion to the SEL. Nothing about playing in the Allsvenskan instead of the SEL means that an individual player (ie. Dahlen) isn't ready for the NHL. It isn't like playing in the AHL.

 

Allsvenskan is made up of a league with lower level players than the SHL. The top 4 teams play 2 worse SHL teams at end of season in a relegation tournament. It would be like the top 4 AHL teams playing ARZ and BUF in a tourney. Right now Timra sits best in league so they will most likely play in the tourney at end of season to try for promotion. 

 

 Only some Canucks fans who can't internalise that Dahlen doesn't play in the best league in Sweden are having a difficult time dealing with this fact. 

 

It's like Arizona and Buffalo being in a tournament with top 4 AHL teams and the top two teams out of that tournament make the NHL and the bottom four go to AHL. That is the relegation tournament. The ALLsvenskan teams have no chance against top teams like AHL team would have no chance vs the NHL Penguins or NSH or TBL. Dahlen never plays against SHL teams, he'll only play them in a playoff at end of season if his team qualifies. 

 

It's not a bad thing. Gaudette plays in the NCAA we don't think he's not a great prospect. Most NHL prospects play in the AHL before the NHL and we don't think it's a bad thing. No one is saying Dahlen is a bad prospect. He had mono and was recovering that's why he started off in the lower league with his previous team. If he didn't have mono maybe he would have been in the top league. 

 

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HockeyAllsvenskan (previously Allsvenskan and SuperAllsvenskan) is the second-highest league in the Swedish ice hockey system (after the SHL). Since the 2009–10 season, the league consists of fourteen teams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HockeyAllsvenskan

 

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The SHL (or Swedish Hockey League, Swedish: Svenska hockeyligan) is the highest division in the Swedish ice hockey system. The league currently consists of 14 teams. The league was founded in 1975, and while Swedish ice hockey champions have been crowned through various formats since 1922, the title, as well as the Le Mat Trophy, have been awarded to the winner of the SHL playoffs since the league's inaugural 1975–76 season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Hockey_League

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1 hour ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I’ve been hearing the same thing these past several weeks.

 

And good for Jonathan. Shows real loyalty to the team that developed him, support for his teammates, appreciation for the fans that have cheered and chanted his name for the past 4 years, and helps Timrå have their best chance to re-qualify for the SHL.

 

Makes for a pretty good storybook ending to his Swedish pro hockey career before he makes the jump to North America next season.

Who did you hear from? Secret source or from media.. 

 

I'd rather him go to SHL. Play against better competition and see how far along he is. 

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8 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:

Who did you hear from? Secret source or from media.. 

 

I'd rather him go to SHL. Play against better competition and see how far along he is. 

Sid is Dahlen's brother and Lukas Jasek's cousin... SHHHH

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35 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:

 

Allsvenskan is made up of a league with lower level players than the SHL. The top 4 teams play 2 worse SHL teams at end of season in a relegation tournament. It would be like the top 4 AHL teams playing ARZ and BUF in a tourney. Right now Timra sits best in league so they will most likely play in the tourney at end of season to try for promotion. 

 

 Only some Canucks fans who can't internalise that Dahlen doesn't play in the best league in Sweden are having a difficult time dealing with this fact. 

 

I agree that the the Allsvenskan is a lower league but my position was more that a player playing Allsvenskan isn't analogous to a player playing in the AHL. An AHL player who's good enough for the NHL will likely find himself called up or signed. An Allsvenskan player who's good enough for the SHL isn't called up. His team is still in the Allsvenskan as a result of team performance despite individual skill being deserving of playing in the higher league (unless, as in Dahlen's case, a possible change of league is written into the contract). 

 

I don't think Dahlen is NHL ready yet, but the fact that Dahlen is playing in the Allsvenskan is not in itself proof that he's not NHL ready. A team being in the Allsvenskan is a measure of team performance not individual performance. 

 

It's like if Edmonton or Buffalo was relegated to the AHL if we had a similar system. Those teams being at the top of the 2nd tier league doesn't mean McDavid or Eichel aren't fantastic players.

 

Just to make myself clear, a team being in the 2nd tier of a relegation league doesn't, by itself, say anything of the readiness of a player on that team to play in a higher league.

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3 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said:

I agree that the the Allsvenskan is a lower league but my position was more that a player playing Allsvenskan isn't analogous to a player playing in the AHL. An AHL player who's good enough for the NHL will likely find himself called up or signed. An Allsvenskan player who's good enough for the SHL isn't called up. His team is still in the Allsvenskan as a result of team performance despite individual skill being deserving of playing in the higher league (unless, as in Dahlen's case, a possible change of league is written into the contract). 

 

I don't think Dahlen is NHL ready yet, but the fact that Dahlen is playing in the Allsvenskan is not in itself proof that he's not NHL ready. A team being in the Allsvenskan is a measure of team performance not individual performance. 

 

It's like if Edmonton or Buffalo was relegated to the AHL if we had a similar system. Those teams being at the top of the 2nd tier league doesn't mean McDavid or Eichel aren't fantastic players.

 

Just to make myself clear, a team being in the 2nd tier of a relegation league doesn't, by itself, say anything of the readiness of a player on that team to play in a higher league.

I thought that when a team gets relegated to Allsvenskan from the SHL the contracts are voided.  There's less budget available and the better players then try and find a new contract in the SHL and don't necessarily follow the team down to Allsvenskan.  I might have been told wrong but my understanding was that the league has been less competitive with the recent expansion in the SHL (opened up more positions for the better players) and Allsvenskan needing to bring up two teams from their 3rd tier league (through promotion/relegation) to stay at 14 teams.  

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