SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: Who did you hear from? Secret source or from media.. I'd rather him go to SHL. Play against better competition and see how far along he is. No secret source unfortunately. I think I first came across it on some other forums or blogs and just chatting with people. Mostly speculation. Nobody claiming they’d spoken to the player or agent or management or whatever. Then Uffe Bodin (Hockeysverige) was interviewed saying he thought Dahlén would most likely stick around with Timrå if they remained tops in Allsvenskan and had a chance to qualify for SHL. And in the weeks following, it’s pretty much become the dominant narrative. Also, the earlier SHL rumours (Brynäs etc) seem to have really died down. Whenever Dahlén comes up lately, people are saying they expect him finish out this season with Timrå. So no, I didn’t have dinner with his agent and catch a scoop or anything like that. Just more a case that I’ve heard the same thing over and over from several different people (and now you can add Dhaliwal to that list). Of course, it could just be chatter that tracks back to a single dodgy source, and everyone (including myself) has been repeating and amplifying it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 9 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Which league is the team demoted to from which league. The one Dahlen plays in from the top league . But thx for trying. Dahlen plays in the league against 2nd tier teams on a team which is in the 2ND tier.just because their system is based on soccer leagues doesn't mean it's not their AHL. Yeah it actually does mean its not their AHL lol, the second division is not a development league, its full of veterans on teams competing to make it back to the top division. Yes they are technically second division teams but the teams that are promoted can definitely hold their own in the top division. In the AHL teams aren't promoted/relegated meaning there is more emphasis on development. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 20 hours ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: Recalling Dahlen is preferable over trading him or draft picks for "veteran" help....if they decide to do that... Huh?? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Huh?? I think it’s the old “a punch in the face is better than an icepick in the ear” line of reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 18 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Which league is the team demoted to from which league. The one Dahlen plays in from the top league . But thx for trying. Dahlen plays in the league against 2nd tier teams on a team which is in the 2ND tier.just because their system is based on soccer leagues doesn't mean it's not their AHL. It's not their AHL, the league doesn't differ in player quality, it differs in team quality. 10 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Not at all. They are 2 separate leagues. They have 2 separate names. They have different quality of opponents. Different quality of players. SHL is the better league. They don't play each other like coyotes (bottom tier) play TBL (top tier). Obviously they differ, but the drop in quality is not the same as the drop from the NHL to the AHL. 9 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Allsvenskan is made up of a league with lower level players than the SHL. The top 4 teams play 2 worse SHL teams at end of season in a relegation tournament. It would be like the top 4 AHL teams playing ARZ and BUF in a tourney. Right now Timra sits best in league so they will most likely play in the tourney at end of season to try for promotion. Only some Canucks fans who can't internalise that Dahlen doesn't play in the best league in Sweden are having a difficult time dealing with this fact. No one's having a hard time dealing with the fact that it's a tier 2 league, the response is a point to you saying it's the SHL's AHL, which the drop off is not as significant. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -Vintage Canuck- Posted December 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2017 Jonathan Dahlen with 1 goal, 1 assist today. He now has 26 points (12 goals, 14 assists) in 21 games. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 18 hours ago, Hutton Wink said: Huh?? What I meant was that while I prefer having Dahlen stay where he is or the SHL...I would still rather they bring him over due to all these injuries than trade him for veteran help....I would not want them trading draft picks for veteran help either....we are rebuilding with youth and while Eriksson and Vanek are doing well, we don't need more of them and we certainly don't need anymore Gagner's either. JD seems like the type of player who can use being the top dog for a whole season...I hope he stays where he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BI3KSALLENT Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) The AHL has a translation factor of 0.47, so the AHL and Allsvensken are nearly identical in that regard. Of course Dahlen is playing on bigger ice right now, but his numbers look very promising so far. Edited December 21, 2017 by BI3KSALLENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, BI3KSALLENT said: The AHL has a translation factor of 0.47, so the AHL and Allsvensken are nearly identical in that regard. Of course Dahlen is playing on smaller ice right now, but his numbers look very promising so far. I thought the Euro leagues used the fatter ice? I actually think Dhalen's game is better suited for the smaller NA ice. His offence comes mostly from below the dots, so (over here) his best plays will start closer to the net, making him even more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: What I meant was that while I prefer having Dahlen stay where he is or the SHL...I would still rather they bring him over due to all these injuries than trade him for veteran help....I would not want them trading draft picks for veteran help either.... But wherever have you seen them do that in the past couple of years, or even a suggestion that they might? They just traded Burrows and Hansen for developing prospects; clear rebuilding moves. But now only a few months later they flip those potential future core players for..., picks or veteran help? Sorry, this makes zero sense on any rational basis. This isn't the #shanaplan where you figure the rebuild is over after 2 years and it's time to start trading away picks and signing 37-year-olds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 45 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: But wherever have you seen them do that in the past couple of years, or even a suggestion that they might? They just traded Burrows and Hansen for developing prospects; clear rebuilding moves. But now only a few months later they flip those potential future core players for..., picks or veteran help? Sorry, this makes zero sense on any rational basis. This isn't the #shanaplan where you figure the rebuild is over after 2 years and it's time to start trading away picks and signing 37-year-olds. Benning has done some great things...but he also lost Rodin and Tryamkin...brought on Gagme and Vanek and Eriksson....at least Vanek will get us a high pick if we play it right. There have been some iffy trades as well the one that lost us Forsling to Chicago and McCann is looking at least as good as Guddy at the moment and a few years younger...although I do think we need Guddy...without Tryamkin.... This management might soon start to feel the pinch that is this market and try some ridiculous stop gap measure.....Chaput and Boucher and Gagme and Burmistrov over Rodin is criminal mismanagement....and whatever happened to Tryamkin ...I hope can unhappen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: This management might soon start to feel the pinch that is this market and try some ridiculous stop gap measure..... But once again -- where is there any evidence of that? Why would they throw away everything they've tried to accomplish in the past three years, just because of a handful of injuries? In fact, "the market" would completely ROAST him if he started trading away young prospects and picks for veteran stop-gaps. Please tell me you aren't suddenly in that "Aqualini says Benning has to make the playoffs at all costs" crowd? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: But once again -- where is there any evidence of that? Why would they throw away everything they've tried to accomplish in the past three years, just because of a handful of injuries? In fact, "the market" would completely ROAST him if he started trading away young prospects and picks for veteran stop-gaps. Please tell me you aren't suddenly in that "Aqualini says Benning has to make the playoffs at all costs" crowd? ...just because I'm paranoid does not mean someone isn't out to get us...or everyone who isn't a Canuck is got to be out to get us...anyway I hope they stay the course and don't sell the horses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: ...just because I'm paranoid does not mean someone isn't out to get us...or everyone who isn't a Canuck is got to be out to get us...anyway I hope they stay the course and don't sell the horses... Yeah, I don't think there's much chance that JB panics and sells the seed corn, or the horses as you put it. Pretty sure Dahlen and the other top Canucks prospects and picks are going nowhere soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 How has Dahlen been playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/20/2017 at 7:41 PM, Rollieo Del Fuego said: Benning has done some great things...but he also lost Rodin and Tryamkin...brought on Gagme and Vanek and Eriksson....at least Vanek will get us a high pick if we play it right. There have been some iffy trades as well the one that lost us Forsling to Chicago and McCann is looking at least as good as Guddy at the moment and a few years younger...although I do think we need Guddy...without Tryamkin.... This management might soon start to feel the pinch that is this market and try some ridiculous stop gap measure.....Chaput and Boucher and Gagme and Burmistrov over Rodin is criminal mismanagement....and whatever happened to Tryamkin ...I hope can unhappen.... I don't get it when people say these things.. 1. Rodin didn't outplay anyone to make the NHL roster, he was also a healthy scratch many times in Utica. 2. Tryamkin chose to leave, Benning even said he made a very good offer, but Tryamkin chose to leave for personal reasons. It's a relief his AGM in Russia has said he wants to come back. 3. Forsling was traded for Clendening because Gillis literally left us no depth, and we needed it with all the injuries. 4. McCann for Guddy can be argued for sure. I really liked McCann but we also had no D depth (same as 3.) and it's nice to get a D-man with Guddy's size. 5. All these signings were made so we do not rush our prospects. I don't mind any of them even though I am not a fan of some. On 12/20/2017 at 6:47 PM, Hutton Wink said: But wherever have you seen them do that in the past couple of years, or even a suggestion that they might? They just traded Burrows and Hansen for developing prospects; clear rebuilding moves. But now only a few months later they flip those potential future core players for..., picks or veteran help? Sorry, this makes zero sense on any rational basis. This isn't the #shanaplan where you figure the rebuild is over after 2 years and it's time to start trading away picks and signing 37-year-olds. I see people panicking over these kind of things on twitter and hfboards and I don't understand it at all. All our team has been doing is trending in the right direction and Benning has been making this team younger, without making panic moves, yet people complain that he's made and will make bad moves that don't make sense... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Fun Fact, Jesper Bratt and Jonathan Dahlen were drafted in the same draft from the same league D+1 year: JB: 46 GP 22 PTS JD: 45 GP 44 PTS Bratt has 23 PTS in 33 GP with the devils so far this season, so the jump is definitely possible from the Allsvenskan to the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 If Dahlen comes to training camp next year but doesnt make the opening day roster. Would it be more likely he goes back to SHL or the AHL? I would prefer if he stayed in the AHL, play on the smaller ice, but also could play with a couple young canuck prospects down in Utica also. Gadjovich, Lind and possibly Gaudette could be their next season. I dont mind development overseas like Juolevi for a season against better competition due to the rules of junior hockey. But think it would be great if we try to have some success grooming a few prospects in Utica for a full year or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Dahlen Gaudette Virtanen That seems like a line that could click well together in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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