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24 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

I think another wild card to make the team is a prospect few seem to be talking about but from what I hear he is making HUGE impression on coaching staff and getting peeks from around the NHL is Motte.   Tyler has elite speed, uses his size well and was a point-per-game player across his NCAA career (not easy to do).   I think he could be a surprising "make the team" over players like Goldy.   Guess we all find out in a couple of weeks.

In the small sample size, I prefer Motte's game over Leipsic, who I forgot to mention.

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1 hour ago, johngould21 said:

IF, Goldobin is going to make this team, he will probably have to play lights out in at least 4 of the 5 upcoming games, if not all 5. I haven't seen the consistency in his game to warrant a spot in the NHL, but, I hope he proves me wrong. The same goes for Dahlen, Gaudette, and OJ. The guys that should be more than a bit worried, Gaunce, Gagner, Granlund, and one of Hutton and Poulliot.

Depends on what you mean by 'lights out'.  As I wrote below, sure he needs to create some offense (his strength) but I'd imagine the coaches are looking to see if he's improved his weaknesses more so than what his outright offensive production is this preseason.

 

On 2018-09-12 at 9:32 AM, aGENT said:

I think it's a bit oversimplified to think management has already made a decision on Goldobin. By all means I'm sure they have a a firm grasp on his strengths and weaknesses. That's not the same thing though and I think it's a bit silly to think a 22/23 year old player can't/won't improve over a summer (with the right frame of mind, work etc) and earn his spot. He's neither penciled on or off the roster at this point IMO.

 

Whether and by how much he's improved those weaknesses will largely determine that. Not how many goals he scores in the preseason. Is he a dedicated pro off and on the ice? Did he put the work in over the summer and is he putting it in at camp, in practices and on the ice? Nobody's trying to turn him in to a bottom 6 checker but has he improved his ability to push his pace, attack and pressure etc? Or is he still floating 75% of his shifts away?

 

I'm sure he's one of many guys they're going to have a close look at to see if they've taken a step, or not. Guys that can't or won't, will not be here. At least not for long. 'Promising skill set' or otherwise.

 

1 hour ago, skategal said:

I hope I'm wrong in this, but I'd be surprised if Goldobin makes the team beyond the quarter mark of the season.  Admittedly, I haven't seen any of the scrimmages, and perhaps he's turned into a ferocious back checker and tenacious player along the boards.  I saw a tweet from one of the media (ok, not a great source) that commented on the incident in scrimmage where he got a stick up high, and the sense was there was zero sympathy among his team mates. Makes me wonder how good a fit he is in an environment where effort and hard work are held to a high standard.  He seems to be much more a "happy go lucky" sort, and while I have no doubt he has worked hard over the summer and his conditioning is good, if he's not putting in 100% effort on the ice and in the weight room all the time someone like Beagle is going to call him out hard.   Yes, we need scoring, but not many players like a goal suck who floats around at the blue line.   Hope I'm wrong and he's seen the light but I'm not convinced.  

 

Unfortunately, I have the same suspicion. Hope to hell he proves me wrong as he has a tantalizing offensive skill set but if the other aspects of his game, work ethic etc aren't there and he's still floating 75% of his shifts away at 22 going on 23...

 

If/when that time comes and he gets waived, the whinging on here/in media will be EPIC. Especially if he scores a handful in the preseason games :lol: Can't wait for the usual suspects and their outrage :bigblush:

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1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said:

I think another wild card to make the team is a prospect few seem to be talking about but from what I hear he is making HUGE impression on coaching staff and getting peeks from around the NHL is Motte.   Tyler has elite speed, uses his size well and was a point-per-game player across his NCAA career (not easy to do).   I think he could be a surprising "make the team" over players like Goldy.   Guess we all find out in a couple of weeks.

Not a chance he makes the team out of camp. 

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25 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Not a chance he makes the team out of camp. 

Zero?

 

I mean the #'s and his waiver status are certainly working against him but he's evidently been killing it thus far and could look VERY good IMO on Beagle's RW. 

 

Schaller, Beagle, Motte.

 

Slim? Sure. None?..Not so sure.

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2 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Zero?

 

I mean the #'s and his waiver status are certainly working against him but he's evidently been killing it thus far and could look VERY good IMO on Beagle's RW. 

 

Schaller, Beagle, Motte.

 

Slim? Sure. None?..Not so sure.

ZERO with capital letters. As I said before the roster is 90% set long before this camp. Canucks are not going to make long term decisions based off 3 weeks of unstructured scrimmage. 

 

Could he get a call up later in the year? Sure why not. But no chance he makes it out of camp. 

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7 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Zero?

 

I mean the #'s and his waiver status are certainly working against him but he's evidently been killing it thus far and could look VERY good IMO on Beagle's RW. 

 

Schaller, Beagle, Motte.

 

Slim? Sure. None?..Not so sure.

I think Motte has good potential; especially in the current NHL game.  That said, seeing as he is waiver exempt, I am quite happy to see him spend more time developing in Utica.  He is the kind of player that will be part of the terrific depth the Nucks have going forward.

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14 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

I think Motte has good potential; especially in the current NHL game.  That said, seeing as he is waiver exempt, I am quite happy to see him spend more time developing in Utica.  He is the kind of player that will be part of the terrific depth the Nucks have going forward.

I can get my head around this for sure - I just feel that there will be some nicks and such and he might just make the 23 man.   Time will tell.

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37 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

I think Motte has good potential; especially in the current NHL game.  That said, seeing as he is waiver exempt, I am quite happy to see him spend more time developing in Utica.  He is the kind of player that will be part of the terrific depth the Nucks have going forward.

Yep, it’s a numbers game when it comes to Motte.  The best case is to think back to Stecher, the kid did everything possible in order to make the team out of camp, yet still found himself starting in Utica.  Why. because Canucks weren’t going to rush into a decision that didn’t need to be forced, which would cost us to lose an asset for nothing.  It wasn’t until room opened up (through injury) before Stecher got the call up and Stecher wasn’t worse for wear.

 

Training camp does not represent a full season, Just because a player has a decent training camp doesn’t mean you can compound it over an 82 game season, it’s still unstructured, it still lacks real game paces and it’s still vets just going through the motions getting back into game shape. 

 

It is actually a good thing that we aren’t forced to “make room”, it’s all part of…wait for it…..good….”asset management” haha. Even if Motte or some other bubble rookies (Lind, Palmu, Gadj….) have stellar camps, what harm does it do sending them back to the AHL till room opens up?  Injuries are going to happen, players are going to get traded.  Is there any real negative to letting the roster play itself out over a couple months, which gives us a bigger (and more realistic) sample size to make a decision?

 

Like I said, training camp doesn’t represent an 82 game season. The roster on Oct 6 is going to look completely different than the roster on say March 3rd.  So worrying about whether a waiver eligible player makes the team opening night is the least of managements worries.  

 

 

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3 hours ago, aGENT said:

Depends on what you mean by 'lights out'.  As I wrote below, sure he needs to create some offense (his strength) but I'd imagine the coaches are looking to see if he's improved his weaknesses more so than what his outright offensive production is this preseason.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, I have the same suspicion. Hope to hell he proves me wrong as he has a tantalizing offensive skill set but if the other aspects of his game, work ethic etc aren't there and he's still floating 75% of his shifts away at 22 going on 23...

 

If/when that time comes and he gets waived, the whinging on here/in media will be EPIC. Especially if he scores a handful in the preseason games :lol: Can't wait for the usual suspects and their outrage :bigblush:

I've said the same things before regarding Goldobin. That little bit of teasing has been there from his first game down in San Jose two years ago. He never seems to be "in" the game to me for some reason. When I hear Green talking about Dahlen, and how he thinks the game and how he gets the drills with one explanation, Goldobin had better be all in during the preseason. The complete game consistently, is what I mean. Then aGent, I see what you are saying, we gave Hansen away for that????

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Goldobin looks like an elite player on the ice and compliments Pettersson and the other talented players. Tonight he scored and could have had a couple of others.

I have been a fan for so long that I remember Toni Tanti showing in a similar way. First step is consistently getting chances, next step is scoring lots. I think Goldobin

will make the team out of camp, but he will need to perform because he will have a flock of skilled players looking over his shoulder.

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14 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

ZERO with capital letters. As I said before the roster is 90% set long before this camp. Canucks are not going to make long term decisions based off 3 weeks of unstructured scrimmage. 

 

Could he get a call up later in the year? Sure why not. But no chance he makes it out of camp. 

then prepare to LOSE HIM ON WAIVERS 100%

 

EDIT: 120%

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7 hours ago, pomorick said:

Goldobin looks like an elite player on the ice and compliments Pettersson and the other talented players. Tonight he scored and could have had a couple of others.

I have been a fan for so long that I remember Toni Tanti showing in a similar way. First step is consistently getting chances, next step is scoring lots. I think Goldobin

will make the team out of camp, but he will need to perform because he will have a flock of skilled players looking over his shoulder.

Goldy could benefit playing with EP as much as anyone on the roster. Goldy has an above average view of the ice and can throw pretty nice passes. 

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I always felt that Goldobin thought the game at a different level and now I am even more convinced.  In the past every night he made a few plays that sometimes looked like they were a bad play,  . . because his teammate hadn't anticipated the better play.  Sort of like playing with the Sedin's where they think ahead and needed other players to anticipate that.

Now playing with an elite player like Elias, who obviously thinks the game at a superior offensive level, you can see how easy it is for them to build instant chemistry.  Their anticipation of each other is remarkable for playing together for such a short time, and should only get stronger if kept together.  Last night they were easily Vancouver's best line and should have each had a few more points.

For Goldobin, it's also more than just having an elite teammate, because he has obviously come to camp with a different attitude and looks so much more dangerous.   Looks like he has finally got the message, . . . great job by Green!  All of this will build confidence and I think this will be his breakout year and we should be able to add his name to our elite talent pool.

Early days I know, but so encouraging.

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If he keeps playing like he did last night....like he was shot out of a canon...then he'll be in the lineup opening night. Possibly having some chemistry with EP certainly won't hurt his chances either. If he keeps it up and is able to put up some numbers in preseason expect him to slot in on EP40's wing once the season starts.

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