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from CBC:

 

Prime Minister Mark Rutte and anti-Islam lawmaker Geert Wilders cast the elections as a litmus test for populism in Europe, only months ahead of crucial votes in France and Germany.

Two-term premier Rutte's right-wing VVD party was leading in the latest polls, with the anti-Islam Party for Freedom of firebrand lawmaker Geert Wilders a close second.

Coming after last's year British vote to leave the European Union and the election of U.S. President Donald Trump — two stunning successes for populists — Rutte now hopes to slow the momentum of what he called the "wrong sort of populism."

 

"This is a chance for a big democracy like the Netherlands to make a point to stop this toppling over of the domino stones of the wrong sort of populism," Rutte said after his vote.

Despite positive poll results in recent days Rutte was wary of the results.

"There is still a risk that we wake up Thursday morning and seeing that Geert Wilders is leading the biggest party," he said.

 

Wilders sought to dampen expectations for himself — but insisted that whatever the result of Wednesday's election, the kind of populist politics he and others in Europe represent will be here to stay.

"The genie will not go back into the bottle. People feel misrepresented," he said, predicting this would show in elections later this year in France and Germany too.

"Despite what the elite wants, politicians are getting strong who have a totally different concept of what the people want them to do," he said.

 

 

Framed as continuity vs chaos by Rutte

Rutte has framed the election as a choice between continuity and chaos, portraying himself as a safe custodian of the nation's economic recovery, while casting Wilders as a far-right radical who would not be prepared to make tough decisions.

 

The chance of Wilders becoming leader in this country where the proportional representation voting system all but guarantees coalition governments is small — all mainstream parties, including Rutte's VVD, have ruled out working with Wilders.

 

Wilders' one-page election manifesto includes pledges to close borders to immigrants from Muslim nations, shuttering mosques and banning the Quran, as well as taking the Netherlands out of the European Union.

 

The final days of campaigning were overshadowed by a diplomatic crisis between the Dutch and Turkish governments over the refusal of the Netherlands to let two Turkish government ministers address rallies about a constitutional reform referendum next month that could give President Recep Tayyip Erdogan more powers. It showed Rutte as refusing to bow to pressure from outside, a stance which has widespread backing in the nation.

 

"It is my task to keep the nation safe and stable and deal with these kind of people," said Rutte.

 

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I'm not sure if the world has really taken a sharp right turn politically, or if that group just has more platforms than ever before and are just louder, but it makes me very happy to live in Canada. Hopefully we can help more refugees and attract more skilled workers too.

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Geert Wilders is on the extreme right.

 

IMO, guys like him,Trump (who's nowhere near as extreme) and some of the others in Europe are benefitting from just general discontent with government, with voters not really giving thought to the potential chaos and fallout.

 

I would have thought that the voters in Europe would be looking at the daily chaos that is American government and would be running to vote for their centrist or even left leaning governments.

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7 minutes ago, MJDDawg said:

I would have thought that the voters in Europe would be looking at the daily chaos that is American government and would be running to vote for their centrist or even left leaning governments.

They don't have the experience with multiculturalism in Europe that we do, so fear is a lot easier to spread.

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49 minutes ago, MJDDawg said:

Geert Wilders is on the extreme right.

 

IMO, guys like him,Trump (who's nowhere near as extreme) and some of the others in Europe are benefitting from just general discontent with government, with voters not really giving thought to the potential chaos and fallout.

 

I would have thought that the voters in Europe would be looking at the daily chaos that is American government and would be running to vote for their centrist or even left leaning governments.

Daily chaos? Maybe they don't watch cnn. Maybe they're focused on the jobs and investment created in the U.S.

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52 minutes ago, MJDDawg said:

Geert Wilders is on the extreme right.

 

IMO, guys like him,Trump (who's nowhere near as extreme) and some of the others in Europe are benefitting from just general discontent with government, with voters not really giving thought to the potential chaos and fallout.

 

I would have thought that the voters in Europe would be looking at the daily chaos that is American government and would be running to vote for their centrist or even left leaning governments.

Maybe the common people are fed up with the free money their governments keep handing out to those who don't contribute?  

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1 hour ago, S'all Good Man said:

I'm not sure if the world has really taken a sharp right turn politically, or if that group just has more platforms than ever before and are just louder, but it makes me very happy to live in Canada. Hopefully we can help more refugees and attract more skilled workers too.

We might be moving in a different direction.

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/most-canadians-favour-values-test-for-immigrants-poll/amp

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1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

Nope, not at all. A poll out of Quebec on immigration needs to be scrutinized carefully. Canada showed its heart with the treatment of 25,000 refugees, thats where I believe most of us are at.

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Just now, Alflives said:

Is there a difference between an immigrant and a refugee?

Bigly. The immigration program targets certain kinds of jobs (low and high skill) and countries, refugees are brought in under rules that we conform to as part of the UN.

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2 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

All refuges are immigrants, not all immigrants are refuges.

Sounds like refugees could be anything, where as immigrants have needed skills to add to our country.  Are refugees more of a burden than an addition?

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Just now, Alflives said:

Sounds like refugees could be anything, where as immigrants have needed skills to add to our country.  Are refugees more of a burden than an addition?

See? Nothing but silly questions from you. If you actually care, go find out from a legit source, not us clowns lol.

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3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sounds like refugees could be anything, where as immigrants have needed skills to add to our country.  Are refugees more of a burden than an addition?

They pay off in terms of income taxes once they get established, also play a big role in our economic growth in terms of our needed population growth.

Plus its the right thing to do, we are ridiculously lucky to live here.

 

"To sustain our economy and standard of living, we’ll need to attract 350,000 immigrants annually by 2035, up from 260,404 in 2014, according to a Conference Board of Canada report."http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/why-canada-should-welcome-more-syrian-refugees-a-lot-more/

 

 

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If refugees and other immigrants can adapt and co-exist among more liberal Western cultures, it's all fine.

 

For Rotterdam's mayor to drop an F-bomb in reference to those who are not willing to accept the culture of their new, chosen home sounds pretty clear that there are issues to be dealt with.

 

And, he is right.  We have advanced our cultures to be increasingly more appreciative of women's and LGBT rights, among others, that are typically not well respected in many Islamic countries.  Many Muslims who come to our countries do seem to embrace this, but for those that won't, we have no need of them and they should go somewhere where their views are shared.

 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dutch-muslim-mayor-to-other-muslims-accept-western-values-or-go-back-home/

 

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The Muslim mayor of a city in the Netherlands believes he has the authority to speak more directly on the subject of extremism. He did so this week by bluntly telling fellow Muslim immigrants that they either need to accept Western norms or go back to their original country.

 

Ahmed Aboutaleb, the Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam, appeared Wednesday evening on CNN International and further explained the sentiment behind his famous post-Charlie Hebdo attack remarks that “if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can f off.” (edited for content by Kragar, linked article does not edit the F-bomb)

 

“The Dutch constitution but also the Dutch society is constructed in very, very interesting basic value and that is tolerance and acceptance,” he told CNN’s Michael Holmes in a clip flagged by RCP. “So the moment you come to the Netherlands, wherever from all over the world and you get a citizenship then you have to at least underline and embrace the constitution and the values of the country.”

 

Asked whether it might seem “superficial” to tell people to “pack their bags and leave” if they don’t like Western culture, Aboutaleb continued: “It’s a free choice: Be with us, work with us together to construct a ‘we’ society. But if you want to send out of the ‘we’ community, you threaten us, you go to Yemen to learn how to use a Kalashnikov and to come back to citizen society, well, you are not part of my ‘we’ society. You’d better leave.”

 

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