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27 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Exact expected response.  That's why some will never get it, same as why so many still can't figure out "rebuild-on-the-fly".  Unable to think in more than one dimension.

I am all for building on the fly. I do not agree with blowing a club up. I think a management needs to be doing everything possible to make this club better. Trades , UFA signings ,drafting and developing.

What does that have to do with losing the last 3 games of the year to maximise our draft chances?    They won a bunch of games at the end of last season and that could have screwed us out of picking in the top 3.

Please answer this.     "What did we gain from those wins?"

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5 hours ago, CeeBee51 said:

watch CDC go apes*&T when we finish 28th and pick 7th

That's why I don't understand all the whiners.. we have very little control where we draft now due to the lottery.  Let the games play out and cheer for you freaking team!!  

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35 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said:

Although Tkachuk is looking like a good pick (and definitely the type of player that we need), we really won't know if he will end up being the better pick. Plus, at the time of the draft, defense was our biggest need. So I don't have a problem with the Juolevi pick.

 

Obviously the Virtanen pick isn't looking so good right now but hindsight is always 20/20. That and Pastrnak was drafted 25th overall. So it's not like JB was the only GM to miss out on him.

 

Let's wait a few more years and see how Juolevi and Virtanen turn out before we label Benning's draft record/ability. After all, I'd say 80% of CDC was calling for his head when he traded Shink for Granlund. Sometimes time is the only answer.

Fair enough. I agree that Juolevi could still turn out to be very good. And you are right about Pastrnak. But that would have been a nice pick. An emerging top 6 of Nylander, Partrnak, Tkachuk, Horvat, Baertschi and Boeser would look very good right now and would have us talking about the next Cup window. But, as you say, that is often possible with hindsight.

 

And I agree about the Granlund trade. But I am still not convinced about Granlund. His stat line of 32 pts in 69 games and -19 is not great. And he is not physical and is not a guy you want playing shutdown. He was good fit offensively with the Sedins, but that line was getting buried when they were stuck in their defensive zone. Still, one more small step forward and he could be a valuable player for the Canucks. Putting his with the Sedins next year as a scoring second line with relatively soft minutes is probably good option for the team although Goldy will also be competing for that spot.

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41 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said:

Although Tkachuk is looking like a good pick (and definitely the type of player that we need), we really won't know if he will end up being the better pick. Plus, at the time of the draft, defense was our biggest need. So I don't have a problem with the Juolevi pick.

 

Obviously the Virtanen pick isn't looking so good right now but hindsight is always 20/20. That and Pastrnak was drafted 25th overall. So it's not like JB was the only GM to miss out on him.

 

Let's wait a few more years and see how Juolevi and Virtanen turn out before we label Benning's draft record/ability. After all, I'd say 80% of CDC was calling for his head when he traded Shink for Granlund. Sometimes time is the only answer.

Bingo.... 

JamesB may be right and he may be wrong, but either way its way too early to compare. Especially the OJ v Tkachuk. 

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We really should have lost the Minny and Chicago games a few weeks back - the two best teams in the conference! We'd be looking to seal up 2nd place odds in Arizona if that were the case.

 

In reality, Millsy is going to play 3 games in 4 days, posting 2 shutouts and allowing 1 goal in the road game against Edmonton. We win all 3 with 2 GWGs from f*ckin Megna and 1 from Chaput.

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What is likely to happen is we finish 3 Rd overall and drop to fourth because of Vegas.  Then we end up actually going up a spot and drafting third overall and lucky for us the first two teams pass on Patrick.  Then we don't take him and Benning selects a guy ranked tenth overall and we go ape$&#&.  

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1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said:

That's exactly the point -- Toronto beat 5:1 odds.  It's all a crapshoot, and to claim the necessity of getting a 2% better chance when in the meantime you potentially damage or ruin the development of players and the team because of such mentality is horribly simple-minded and short-sighted, not to mention disrespectful to the integrity of the sport itself.

Hutton, I respect your views a lot, but imho, you're not looking at this the right way. At this stage in the season, this player development versus losses discussion is a moot point. If we really want to win the Arizona game, we shouldn't be playing the inexperienced guys. But since we are, we might as well hope for them to perform well and at the same time, for the team to still get better odds at getting a higher pick. 

 

Anybody that wins a lottery has to beat some odds. I could make the argument that if he had finished worse than Edmonton, we would have had Puljujarvi who would be playing with the Sedins right now and who may have extended their career. Another way of looking at this is that there are 2 players in this draft that will really help the Canucks sooner (and I still want the Sedins to have at least one crack at this) rather than later: Nolan and Nico. And some people here (not me) think that Liljegren is a potential top pairing D of the Kalrsson mold. So here are the chances to get one of the top 3 picks:

  • 2nd place - 35.3 %
  • 3rd place - 30.7 %
  • 4th place - 26.0%

That's almost 10% between 2nd place and 4th place. That's not insignificant.

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The infighting has already started on CDC. 

 

The whole drafting system sucks...

 

Imagine Arizona miraculously gets the same idea and wants to lose too...

after a 0-0 tie it goes to a shoot out, where after 189 shots past the goal from each side, at 3:15am Megna attempts to miss the target but trips and scores instead...

 

After several death threats and the ultimate threat of having to marry Susan Boyle, he resigns from hockey to become a fortune teller in Idaho... And after CDC has calmed down 3 weeks later, Canucks win the draft and gets to draft 2nd.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheOgRook said:

That's why I don't understand all the whiners.. we have very little control where we draft now due to the lottery.  Let the games play out and cheer for you freaking team!!  

It's called "odds" maybe you should read up on that.

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1 hour ago, appleboy said:

I am all for building on the fly. I do not agree with blowing a club up. I think a management needs to be doing everything possible to make this club better. Trades , UFA signings ,drafting and developing.

What does that have to do with losing the last 3 games of the year to maximise our draft chances?    They won a bunch of games at the end of last season and that could have screwed us out of picking in the top 3.

Please answer this.     "What did we gain from those wins?"

Answer this:  what if we had actually beaten Winnipeg in March instead of losing to them?  We'd have gotten Laine.  Hindsight is pointless.

 

48 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

Hutton, I respect your views a lot, but imho, you're not looking at this the right way. At this stage in the season, this player development versus losses discussion is a moot point. If we really want to win the Arizona game, we shouldn't be playing the inexperienced guys. But since we are, we might as well hope for them to perform well and at the same time, for the team to still get better odds at getting a higher pick.

Please show where I ever suggested that these last games are must-wins or anything of the sort?  If you've seen my posts at all the past couple of weeks or so you'd know I haven't even hinted at such a thing. 

 

There is a huge, MASSIVE difference in playing youth and experimenting down the stretch when out of the playoffs and intentionally "tanking" a season by filling a roster full of garbage players and trying to purposely lose.  This whole thing is silly -- no way is any coach going to put out bad players just to lose, and players are not going to play badly to lose, simply to get a couple more magic beans in a lottery so the entire argument is essentially meaningless.  This isn't 1984.

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6 minutes ago, TheOgRook said:

You keep telling yourself that, now maybe you should read up on odds, nothing is guaranteed.  Hence my post or are you just being obtuse?

Lloyd Christmas mentatlity -- ooo, there's a chance!  Amazing how people get so captivated by things like lotteries, casinos, and Ed McMahon.

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