Mafia - General Discussion

[milk and honey]

47 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

COMING SOON:  Player Overall Ratings

100overall MH 

[Master Radishes]

Random idea: a brain trust to collectively work out kinks in game theme ideas.

 

E.g. I've long had an idea of a 'Jack the Ripper' theme idea where the TP are hunting an SK. But as it doesn't have a traditional set up (TP vs Mafia) I worry about balance and entertainment value.

[AV.]

6 minutes ago, Master Radishes said:

Random idea: a brain trust to collectively work out kinks in game theme ideas.

 

E.g. I've long had an idea of a 'Jack the Ripper' theme idea where the TP are hunting an SK. But as it doesn't have a traditional set up (TP vs Mafia) I worry about balance and entertainment value.

This could be interesting.

 

I imagine the SK would need some sort of safe-claim and maybe operate as a JOAT with one-shot use of 1-2 powers because it essentially boils down to 1 v everybody.

 

For the town, having all 4 variations of the sheriff would be interesting.  Instead of mafia/not mafia, investigations could render SK/not SK.  

 

Just a few thoughts.

[thejazz97]

13 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

For the town, having all 4 variations of the sheriff would be interesting.  Instead of mafia/not mafia, investigations could render SK/not SK.  

That's game/set/match with only one SK though.

[Master Radishes]

True, the four Sheriffs could figure themselves out within a couple rounds, I think.

 

Another potential issue: if we had a game of 10+ players it could take a long time. (To use historic flavour: Jack the Ripper had one night where he killed twice, so maybe the SK role could have a limited-use 'double kill' option?)

 

Another potential issue: the early rounds of voting would surely be a tad useless. It may mean a fairly dull game to begin with until the hunt heats up. We may want to keep such a game small (under 10 players) to keep it interesting for everyone.

[AV.]

You could add a 1-2 player "cult"

 

The cult doesn't have any powers but they are affiliated with Jack the Ripper.  They do not know who Jack is and Jack does not know who they are.  Their win-con is to stay alive or ensure that Jack is the last member standing.

 

The TP would then have to eliminate all members of the cult and SK to win.

 

This sort of moves away from 1 v everybody situation.

[AV.]

Sort of like lovers/survivors

[falcon45ca]

54 minutes ago, Master Radishes said:

True, the four Sheriffs could figure themselves out within a couple rounds, I think.

 

Another potential issue: if we had a game of 10+ players it could take a long time. (To use historic flavour: Jack the Ripper had one night where he killed twice, so maybe the SK role could have a limited-use 'double kill' option?)

 

Another potential issue: the early rounds of voting would surely be a tad useless. It may mean a fairly dull game to begin with until the hunt heats up. We may want to keep such a game small (under 10 players) to keep it interesting for everyone.

You could have "henchmen"- people who aid and enable Jack the Ripper. That way you'd still have a team for the town to play against

[Master Radishes]

I would chafe at the ahistorial aspect of it, but for the sake of game balance I could see the necessity.

[Beluga Whale]

It would be impossible to balance a game with only one wolf, unless it's a very small game.

 

I can't remember where but I saw a statistical theory suggesting you need a certain proportion of mafia to have a fair game. Basically having too few can be just as bad as having too many wolves.

[Guest]

I have a couple ideas regarding games. 

 

1. Asylum theme, weird roles 

2. High school, gangs and cliques 

3. Saviour role, tp role that can save a max of three mafia members in a game (one per round) and convert them to tp but they have to choose a mafia member in order for it to work. If they choose tp or 3p then they lose said role for the rest of the game. 

Edited January 13, 2019 by Guest

[Aladeen]

21 minutes ago, Stamkos said:

I have a couple ideas regarding games. 

 

1. Asylum theme, weird roles 

2. High school, gangs and cliques 

3. Saviour role, tp role that can save a max of three mafia members in a game (one per round) and convert them to tp but they have to choose a mafia member in order for it to work. If they choose tp or 3p then they lose said role for the rest of the game. 

The problem with that is if you convert a Mafioso to TP they know the rest of the team and it’s game over.

 

Once someone knows the mafia team they can’t ever switch allegiances.

 

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, Aladeen said:

The problem with that is if you convert a Mafioso to TP they know the rest of the team and it’s game over.

 

Once someone knows the mafia team they can’t ever switch allegiances.

 

What about a possible mafia version but they can only recruit tp specials?

[Beluga Whale]

Conversions ruin the game. There's a reason the traditional mafia mechanics have stuck around forever. 

[AV.]

CDC Mafia Player Ratings

 

Disclaimer:  Ratings were derived from a variety of factors.  These include faction success rate, role success rate, and individual action success rate.  Other in-game factors such as lynch avoidance as non-TP, use of tricks/ruses, and clairvoyant dialogue relative to role were also considered. Individuals who are listed scored anywhere between 50 and 100. Players asterisked lack a sufficient sample size but may have been included due to their historical reputation or in-game contributions for matches they participated in.  Also, it's damn hard to quantify data that could be considered qualitative, just sayin'.

 

NOTE:  Ratings are dynamic and may be modified in the future.

 

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Master Radishes - 92

112 - 91

Beluga Whale - 91

VICanucksfan5551 - 91

Time Lord - 90

Zfetch - 89

Aladeen - 89

Intoewsables - 88*

Virtanen87 - 87*

Blue Jay 22 - 87

John Locke - 86

Dral - 85

ilduce39 - 85

Kazmanian Devil - 85

HashtagNucks - 85

Alain Vigneault - 85

Luciferase - 85

Captain Aerosex - 84

Go Faulk Yourself - 84*

Kryten - 84*

otherwise - 84

King Heffy - 84

Canucks Legacy - 84*

MikeyBoy44 - 83

Kakanucks - 83

g_bassi13 - 83

Dr. Strangelove - 83

thejazz97 - 83

Alchemy Time - 82

Mau5trap - 82*

Where’s Wellwood - 82*

Baka - 82*

JAY JAY - 82

falcon45ca - 82

OurTimeToShine - 82*

milk and honey - 82*

Fox Mulder - 81*

DoughtysCheck - 81

Buddhas Hand - 80

Darth Melvin - 79

Lewitelli - 78

Rick Grimes - 76

J-23 - 75*

Caboose - 74*

Stamkos - 74*

Matthew Barzal - 73*

Horvat - 73

Green Goblin - 72*

diesel_13 - 71*

numb3r 16 - 70*

Salacious Crumb - 70*

Qwags - 67

Twilight Sparkle - 50

 

 

Feel free to add ratings for members pre-2016.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Alain Vigneault

[Zfetch]

@Alain Vigneault

Proposal to justify ratings to:

Players:	Hunting/20	Evasiveness/20	Trickiness/20	Manipulation/20	Activity/10	Experience/8	Hosting/2	Smoothing Factor	Total/100
One One Two	20	14	18	18	10	8	2	9	99
Aladeen	16	15	20	18	10	8	2	9	98
Beluga Whale	20	12	15	20	10	8	2	9	96
Master Radishes	20	14	12	19	10	8	2	9	94
BJ	14	18	15	16	10	6	1	9	89
TL	16	18	10	17	7	8	2	9	87
Zfetch	14	10	18	14	10	8	2	9	85
John Locke	17	12	14	14	8	8	1	9	83
AV	14	10	15	12	9	6	2	9	77
Virtanen	8	13	20	14	2	7	0	9	73
MH	11	12	18	12	6	5	0	9	73
Otherwise	11	17	10	12	5	8	0	9	72
Baka	10	14	10	12	5	5	1	9	66
The Jazz	12	12	8	12	6	6	1	9	66
Stamkos	11	13	9	12	6	5	1	9	66
Doubt Tea	10	8	14	11	5	5	1	9	63
Darth Melvin	3	18	8	10	5	5	1	9	59
Falcon	9	10	8	10	6	5	1	9	58

[AV.]

1 minute ago, Zfetch said:

@Alain Vigneault

Proposal to justify ratings to:
 

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Players:	Hunting/20	Evasiveness/20	Trickiness/20	Manipulation/20	Activity/10	Experience/8	Hosting/2	Smoothing Factor	Total/100
One One Two	20	14	18	18	10	8	2	9	99
Aladeen	16	15	20	18	10	8	2	9	98
Beluga Whale	20	12	15	20	10	8	2	9	96
Master Radishes	20	14	12	19	10	8	2	9	94
BJ	14	18	15	16	10	6	1	9	89
TL	16	18	10	17	7	8	2	9	87
Zfetch	14	10	18	14	10	8	2	9	85
John Locke	17	12	14	14	8	8	1	9	83
AV	14	10	15	12	9	6	2	9	77
Virtanen	8	13	20	14	2	7	0	9	73
MH	11	12	18	12	6	5	0	9	73
Otherwise	11	17	10	12	5	8	0	9	72
Baka	10	14	10	12	5	5	1	9	66
The Jazz	12	12	8	12	6	6	1	9	66
Stamkos	11	13	9	12	6	5	1	9	66
Doubt Tea	10	8	14	11	5	5	1	9	63
Darth Melvin	3	18	8	10	5	5	1	9	59
Falcon	9	10	8	10	6	5	1	9	58

 

 

 

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[Zfetch]

7 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

CDC Mafia Player Ratings

 

Disclaimer:  Ratings were derived from a variety of factors.  These include faction success rate, role success rate, and individual action success rate.  Other in-game factors such as lynch avoidance as non-TP, use of tricks/ruses, and clairvoyant dialogue relative to role were also considered. Individuals who are listed scored anywhere between 50 and 100.  Players asterisked lack a sufficient sample size but may have been included due to their historical reputation or in-game contributions for matches they participated in.  Also, it's damn hard to quantify data that could be considered qualitative, just sayin'.

 

NOTE:  Ratings are dynamic and may be modified in the future.

 

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Master Radishes - 92

112 - 91

Beluga Whale - 91

Time Lord - 90

Zfetch - 89

Aladeen - 89

Intoewsables - 88*

Virtanen87 - 87*

John Locke - 86

Blue Jay 22 - 86

Dral - 85

ilduce39 - 85

Kazmanian Devil - 85

HashtagNucks - 85

Alain Vigneault - 85

Go Faulk Yourself - 84*

Kryten - 84*

otherwise - 84

King Heffy - 84

Canucks Legacy - 84*

Kakanucks - 83

g_bassi13 - 83

Dr. Strangelove - 83

thejazz97 - 83

Mau5trap - 82*

Where’s Wellwood - 82*

Baka - 82*

JAY JAY - 82

falcon45ca - 82

OurTimeToShine - 82*

milk and honey - 82*

Fox Mulder - 81*

DoughtysCheck - 81

Darth Melvin - 79

Lewitelli - 78

J-23 - 75*

Caboose - 74*

Stamkos - 74*

Matthew Barzal - 73*

Green Goblin - 72*

diesel_13 - 71*

numb3r 16 - 70*

Salacious Crumb - 70*

Qwags - 67

 

 

Feel free to add ratings for members pre-2016.

$&!# did you like reread every mafia thread damn

[AV.]

1 minute ago, Zfetch said:

$&!# did you like reread every mafia thread damn

Yes and no.

 

I visited our Wiki and then I went back to games that I couldn't remember too well to help factor the findings into the ratings.

[thejazz97]

I'll take an 83