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Just now, The Lock said:

Um, he wasn't bottom pairing in Florida dude. He played with Kulikov... a lot... as the first pairing....

Except Campbell was their best D-man and whatever pairing he was on was their best pairing.

 

And it doesn't matter how much ice-time you get, it matters how you perform. Sbisa has played top-4 and even top-2 minutes for us this year but he is nowhere close to that kind of player.

 

Gudbranson is a "defensive D-man" who has been bad defensively, statistically, his entire career. He was a terrible target for this management group. I'm just glad Benning may have come to his senses and realizes that it's not a good idea to sign him long-term just yet.

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Just now, kanucks25 said:

He was fully healthy for the most of the first half the year, where he played at a bottom-pairing level, like he has for most of his career.

 

Don't buy the magic beans.

I'm not a HUGE fan of Guds but you have to be at least fair.  Hutton was a tire fire with Guds - that didn't help.  As for his "jump to the #4 spot" with the Panthers - it's not like he didn't have the pedigree to make that move developmental-wise.  

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1 minute ago, The Lock said:

I actually don't think he should have been fired. I'm surprised he was. I look at it as what kind of message are you giving your players? He gave Boeser one of the most memorable rookie nights any player as ever had, the management resigns Megna (I don't know if I ever had a thread before where I actually burst out laughing as the one stating "Megna resigned" lol), and then the management fires Willie.

 

So I do question the move; however, there's so much that could be going on that we don't even know about. No management's going to be perfect and I like a lot of the moves and overall direction we've headed in despite this.

I like the direction as well. I just don't like JB getting to pick high by accident with guys like Miller and the supposed 3rd Sedin, and still being considered to be executing "a plan". We each have our opinions on here and mine wanted to rebuild the day they hired him. So, I'll take the picks, just wish there were more over his era. We do have some exciting kids, but need some more.

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Just now, kanucks25 said:

Except Campbell was their best D-man and whatever pairing he was on was their best pairing.

 

And it doesn't matter how much ice-time you get, it matters how you perform. Sbisa has played top-4 and even top-2 minutes for us this year but he is nowhere close to that kind of player.

 

Gudbranson is a "defensive D-man" who has been bad defensively, statistically, his entire career. He was a terrible target for this management group. I'm just glad Benning may have come to his senses and realizes that it's not a good idea to sign him long-term just yet.

Ah so you're one of those analytics guys then? Considering Tallon's GM again and was against the Gudbranson trade, I'm pretty sure they're wishing that trigger wasn't pulled. ;)

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1 minute ago, stawns said:

Nonetheless, it marked the point at which the core was starting to be dismantled.  I think most of us saw it happening this way

Definitely a dismantling. Mostly because the core had gotten stale, and certain players wanted out though.

 

If Luongo and Kesler never asked for trades, this team would still be a playoff team and pushing every season. They were kind of forced into a slow rebuild much earlier than ownership was probably planning.

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17 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

2 years? Do you remember the 2016 trade deadline? Is that what rebuilding teams do?

 

Do you remember the horrific 2016 summer where they signed a 30+ year-old veteran with a concussion history to a 6-year contract and traded essentially two late 1st rounders for a 24 year-old 3rd pairing D-man? Is that what rebuilding teams do?

 

Give me a break.

Miller Vrbata LE Granlund Tryamkin Bear Vey Stetcher Virtanen Guddy Sutter Dahlen Goldobin Juolevi Brisbois Virtanen Boesser Demko LE Guddy Hutton are a butt load of new bodies.

Not to mention Horvat is the only Gillis prospect to become a great roster player.  The cupboards aren't empty anymore we were ranked dead last when Benning took over and are already pushing the top ten for best prospects league wide including a league best four ranked in the top hundred.

 At this rate in a couple years we should have the best prospect pool in the NHL even with players making the jump.

Benning doesn't get any props for the good he's done only criticism for the mistakes he's made.  All GMs even the TO god complex group makes mistakes.  Look at the above players retool is a fitting analysis that window is gone but the actual full rebuild will never come until the Sedins retire or are signed for appropriate money.

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Just now, kanucks25 said:

 

 

Gudbranson is a "defensive D-man" who has been bad defensively, statistically, his entire career. He was a terrible target for this management group. I'm just glad Benning may have come to his senses and realizes that it's not a good idea to sign him long-term just yet.

Its his size, character and intangibles that they traded for.

He's what you need in the West and the Pacific. I don't think he's a stud or even a top 4 D, but he is a Captain, but they will probably give it to the popular Bo.

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Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said:

I'm not a HUGE fan of Guds but you have to be at least fair.  Hutton was a tire fire with Guds - that didn't help.  As for his "jump to the #4 spot" with the Panthers - it's not like he didn't have the pedigree to make that move developmental-wise.  

Hutton was awful during the time Gudbranson was playing but that doesn't change the fact that Gudbranson was bad himself. It's not Hutton's fault that Gudbranson has minimal puck skills that make it so he can't play offense or low IQ and skating skills that make him a below average defender.

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Just now, DeNiro said:

If Luongo and Kesler never asked for trades, this team would still be a playoff team and pushing every season. They were kind of forced into a slow rebuild much earlier than ownership was probably planning.

Oddly enough, if Torts was more like Willie in the regular season - we might've made the playoffs that season instead of running out of gas.  The time to 'ride your horses' is in the post-season - not the regular season (where Torts wore out guys like Hamhuis - who wasn't exactly in prime shape anymore).

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On 4/10/2017 at 9:42 AM, Apple Juice said:

Hitch has come out saying he's retiring at the end of the season. The firing just made it early for him from St. Louis. I highly doubt Hitch will be willing to come

I tend to agree, but if the Canucks are interested in him, I could see Hitch tempted because of:

 

1) His connection with Western Canada, and

 

2) His highly competitive nature, and that to guide a bottom-to-top rebuild would be challenging and hugely satisfying.

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Just now, The Lock said:

Ah so you're one of those analytics guys then? Considering Tallon's GM again and was against the Gudbranson trade, I'm pretty sure they're wishing that trigger wasn't pulled. ;)

I'm not an "analytics guy" but I can appreciate stats, especially those that support the eye-test.

 

You don't need stats to tell you that Gudbranson isn't very good if you just watch him get beat wide and ice the puck routinely while putting up like 12 points a year.

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1 minute ago, kanucks25 said:

I'm not an "analytics guy" but I can appreciate stats, especially those that support the eye-test.

 

You don't need stats to tell you that Gudbranson isn't very good if you just watch him get beat wide and ice the puck routinely while putting up like 12 points a year.

Oh so it's about points now... for a stay-at-home defender....

 

Anyway, you can continue to blabber on all you like. I do think John's Short House is a little too short for your head though. If you looked for John's Big House, you might find clearance and won't bump your head as much....

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Just now, J.R. said:

Honestly, I'd expect another tough year next year. 

 

It's the following year we'll need to see the youth start to poke it's head above water that will determine their fate. Even then, likely losing the twins as support offense players will make it challenging as well, so don't expect playoffs but a trend back in that direction would certainly help their cause.

I wouldn't expect the team to make the playoffs next season, however if it is/was as much of a f***up as this season. The team will likely have to start all over with new management and coaches, as I don't see the current management team keeping their jobs if the team does not progress further than where they are at now.

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2 minutes ago, The Lock said:

Oh so it's about points now... for a stay-at-home defender....

 

Anyway, you can continue to blabber on all you like. I do think John's Short House is a little too short for your head though. If you looked for John's Big House, you might find clearance and won't bump your head as much....

I never said it's about points. He's not good at defending, he's not good at moving the puck, he's not good at offense. He's not particularly good at anything except being a character guy.

 

He's been below average at pretty much everything you need to do as a D-man for his entire career. He's performed like a bottom-pairing D-man for his entire career because he has a bottom-pairing skill-set.

 

And it's extremely rare for players to "break out" at 25 years-old and 350~ games of pro experience, especially when they don't show the hockey IQ and puck skills that are required for a higher ceiling.

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2 minutes ago, The Lock said:

Oh so it's about points now... for a stay-at-home defender....

You're ferreting in and out of holes.

Guddy's defensive stats are as bad as his offensive stats. On paper, he's not a great defender. On paper, he generates very little, except goals against, IIRC.

Lets call a spade a spade here. I like Guddy, a lot, but the stats don't lie.

 

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6 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Miller Vrbata LE Granlund Tryamkin Bear Vey Stetcher Virtanen Guddy Sutter Dahlen Goldobin Juolevi Brisbois Virtanen Boesser Demko LE Guddy Hutton are a butt load of new bodies.

Not to mention Horvat is the only Gillis prospect to become a great roster player.  The cupboards aren't empty anymore we were ranked dead last when Benning took over and are already pushing the top ten for best prospects league wide including a league best four ranked in the top hundred.

 At this rate in a couple years we should have the best prospect pool in the NHL even with players making the jump.

Benning doesn't get any props for the good he's done only criticism for the mistakes he's made.  All GMs even the TO god complex group makes mistakes.  Look at the above players retool is a fitting analysis that window is gone but the actual full rebuild will never come until the Sedins retire or are signed for appropriate money.

especially when you double up 3 of them. 

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7 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

Its his size, character and intangibles that they traded for.

He's what you need in the West and the Pacific. I don't think he's a stud or even a top 4 D, but he is a Captain, but they will probably give it to the popular Bo.

I rather have players that are good at hockey.

 

I don't doubt that character, leadership and intangibles are important but being good at hockey needs to be prioritized. You can find "character guys" for cheap through free-agency.

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1 minute ago, 189lb enforcers? said:

You're ferreting in and out of holes.

Guddy's defensive stats are as bad as his offensive stats. On paper, he's not a great defender. On paper, he generates very little, except goals against, IIRC.

Lets call a spade a spade here. I like Guddy, a lot, but the stats don't lie.

 

Honestly, I decided months ago to reserve judgement on Guddy until we actually see him play a full season and healthy. I don't see it being fair otherwise.

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5 hours ago, StealthNuck said:

There are always a few people like that, but I think a lot of the impatience came from the odd deployments and a favoring of one-year plugs over youth players who may actually be part of the team in the future. The process is important. 

So you went to Tokyo then. How are you finding it ?

 

(Also +1 :lol:)

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4 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

I never said it's about points. He's not good at defending, he's not good at moving the puck, he's not good at offense. He's not particularly good at anything except being a character guy.

 

He's been below average at pretty much everything you need to do as a D-man for his entire career. He's performed like a bottom-pairing D-man for his entire career because he has a bottom-pairing skill-set.

 

And it's extremely rare for players to "break out" at 25 years-old and 350~ games of pro experience, especially when they don't show the hockey IQ and puck skills that are required for a higher ceiling.

But.. but.. he was a top three pick!!!

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