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On 4/10/2017 at 3:56 PM, kanucks25 said:

I illustrated to you how rare it is for D-men to break out the way you suggest they do. Souray was mid 2000's and before him was probably Rafalski which was around 2000.

 

I don't really care that Gudbranson won a skating drill in practice, I care about how he skates in game, and there is no doubt that Tanev is the best skater on our team when it comes to skating to play defense. And Hutton isn't very good at skating to play defence, either, despite being a "good skater" in general. Both Hutton and Gudbranson have a tendency to get beat on the rush.

Hutton, this past season, has also picked up the disconcerting habit of getting stripped of the puck from behind while trying to exit his own zone. He needs to find quicker outlets because his quickness from a standing start isn't where it needs to be. And I don't like the facile, meaningless excuse of "sophomore slump", as if that's a given stage for all players.  

 

He's a smart player, though, so I'm hoping he makes the necessary adjustments.

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5 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

You do realize that you are proving my point, not yours by "illustrating" with these two examples. You just gave two examples of players that have broken out in their later 20s, but you haven't produced anything to supports your claim that it does not happen. 

I don't know, he might get around to telling you once he finds the source of that "Corey Perry to the Canucks" trade rumour he posted five years ago.

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Just now, kanucks25 said:

He has never performed like one. Just because he has been deployed like one, doesn't make him a true top-4 D-man.

 

 Again, Sbisa has been deployed like a top-4 and even sometimes a top-2 here but he sure as poop isn't one.

 

How's that foot taste?

 

Classic "it's not what I said, it's what I meant" back track.

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2 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

You do realize that you are proving my point, not yours by "illustrating" with these two examples. You just gave two examples of players that have broken out in their later 20s, but you haven't produced anything to supports your claim that it does not happen. 

I've given you two examples in the last almost 20 years. That illustrates how exactly rare it is for a D-man to do something you suggest Gudbranson will do next year.

 

Examples of the opposite over the same time-frame? Pretty much every other D-man to go through the league and not be very good up until his mid-20's, and then continue to not be very good. That number is in the hundreds.

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Just now, stawns said:

How's that foot taste?

 

Classic "it's not what I said, it's what I meant" back track.

I never backtracked once.

 

Just because you don't understand the difference between ice-time and actual production does not mean I backtracked.

 

Sutter has been deployed like a #1 C here at times, does that make him a true #1 C?

 

Give me a break.

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Just now, kanucks25 said:

I've given you two examples in the last almost 20 years. That illustrates how exactly rare it is for a D-man to do something you suggest Gudbranson will do next year.

 

Examples of the opposite over the same time-frame? Pretty much every other D-man to go through the league and not be very good up until his mid-20's, and then continue to not be very good. That number is in the hundreds.

Ok, I concede that you have no evidence. And just to prove that you have not done your due diligence in your research before coming up with such claims, I will just state:

 

Niklas Kronwall and Mark Giordano 

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42 minutes ago, Scottish⑦Canuck said:

So you went to Tokyo then. How are you finding it ?

 

(Also +1 :lol:)

Unfortunately I came back recently :(, I should update that.

 

Loved Tokyo though, amazing place. 

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3 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

He has never performed like one. Just because he has been deployed like one, doesn't make him a true top-4 D-man.

 

 Again, Sbisa has been deployed like a top-4 and even sometimes a top-2 here but he sure as poop isn't one.

 

Bolding. So effective. How's about some italics too!

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9 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I can't put too much stock in a coaching promotion - to perform essentially the same role at a higher level - to the analogy of management promotions in business.

 

Anyhow - now that I've had a chance to listen to the first half of the Linden /  Benning press conference I believe they're leaning towards Green.  Linden's comments regarding experience, Benning's comment regarding young coaches stepping up and having great levels of competency and technical skills to match the growth/changes in the game - I think Green has one foot in the door and that it will take someone really blowing them away to edge him out.

Benning wants someone that understands where the team and players are at, who is ready to work in that framework moving forward.

I'll be surprised if it isn't Green.

That is distinct from "I'll be disappointed if it isn't Green."  I'd be happy with him - I don't know that there is or isn't a better candidate - but at the same time, wadr, nor do any other posters in here prescribing who it 'should' be.

I think its the same all over, people are people regardless of the industry. 

 

 

I think this is probably the case on Green. Explains hanging on to Jarvis. If Green can work with Jarvis for a bit things could work out. Jarvis isn't looking for a head coaching role so they shouldn't bump heads. 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

I never backtracked once.

 

Just because you don't understand the difference between ice-time and actual production does not mean I backtracked.

 

Sutter has been deployed like a #1 C here at times, does that make him a true #1 C?

 

Give me a break.

I'd throw you a life preserver, but watching you struggle to stay afloat is far too entertaining.

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Just now, milk and honey said:

 

 

what about Don Hay? 

Hay is just like Willie. Great in the junior leagues, not so much in the bigs.

 

I am in the Crow/Gallant camp. We know both guys are good with young players.

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4 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

Ok, I concede that you have no evidence. And just to prove that you have not done your due diligence in your research before coming up with such claims, I will just state:

 

Niklas Kronwall and Mark Giordano 

Giordano put up 15 points in 48 games when he was 23 years-old in his first NHL season. That's more points than Gudbranson has ever put up in a full season.

 

And Kronwall was developed in the Detroit system normally. He entered the NHL a little late but they wanted him to learn the North American game in the AHL first.

 

Neither of these guys had almost 350+ before breaking out in the NHL like Gudbranson does. These two examples you've given do not fit whatsoever.

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1 minute ago, Barry_Wilkins said:

Green is fine by me. Apparently has an excellent reputation for communicating with his players as to what he expects of them. (Virtanen, e.g.). 

Thats another thing. Green will leave soon if not promoted. Prehaps assistant coach before head coach?

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2 minutes ago, Mustapha said:

Hay is just like Willie. Great in the junior leagues, not so much in the bigs.

 

I am in the Crow/Gallant camp. We know both guys are good with young players.

 

Last job though was 2000-2001 in Calgary. Before that he made the playoffs with phoenix.

 

He is hella good with young players but he is 63years old so a bit old I guess.

 

Not a fan of Crow just yet. In 2-3years I would defo consider him tho.

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6 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Bolding. So effective. How's about some italics too!

Thank you. Sometimes I have to make simple concepts very clear if I want to do a good job of educating.

 

It's a hard job, but someone's gotta do it.

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1 minute ago, S'all Good Man said:

I think its the same all over, people are people regardless of the industry. 

 

No, not really.  In industry, a promotion means moving up into a new role, generally with new responsibilities, larger in scope - a different, higher position.

 

Green isn't moving from VP Marketing to President or whatever.  He'd be moving from head coach to head coach.

 

If you want a more accurate analogy, it would be a corporation bringing in a new CEO, who has experience as a CEO elsewhere.

 

And in the end none of this means a thing - it's mere abstraction.

 

Green's already a head coach.  The 'promotion' imo is different than in business.

 

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