DeNiro Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, kanucks25 said: Everyone at your local insane asylum, maybe. Nope, anyone that sees his physicality as a big plus among a soft as butter D-core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: Sbisa had a good streak for about 10-15 games before he regressed back to the same Pizza boy he's always been. Sbisa's "massive improvement" actually doesn't exist. He's a marginal player who took a marginal step forward. His low IQ will prohibit him to be anything more than a bottom pairing Dman. We expended valuable assets to acquire Gudbranson who is the same type of dman Sbisa is, but marginally better. This is like NHL 17 when youre fleecing teams by trading away overrated players for a stockpile of picks. Except were on the opposite end. And there's the gem we were all waiting for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Just now, stawns said: Thanks, it's a gift I'm curious to hear your assessment on Gudbranson, outside of the facts that he was a third overall pick and his head coach liked him. I mean our headcoach loves Megna and Chaput... Gudbranson has zero offensive upside. He has to be elite defensively or be able to skate and move the puck away from trouble and zone entries/exits. People hate on Edler but at least he's a jack of all trades. Gudbranson has no offensive upside and is not even close to being an elite/great defender. What do you see in him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, J.R. said: Hopefully people will just realize we're rebuilding and not likely to be a good team for a few years yet. wow was that so hard to figure out. Sometimes I wonder where these people come from on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 On 4/10/2017 at 5:20 PM, Shirotashi said: I would love Sutter coaching this team. Please god yes. Please God no. Sutter is fast becoming a fossil in the new, uptempo, speed-over-toughness NHL. If people thought Willie D had a short leash, just wait until Mr. I-just-ate-a-lemon-spiked-with-floor-polish gets here. Going hard-ass on guys like Godolbin and (in the future) Dahlen will make this mini-circus into a full-fledged Ringling Bros show in Vegas. His best coaching days are in the rear-view mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, kanucks25 said: 1) I know that we aren't looking for point production out of Gudbranson but my point is that Giordano already showed potential in his first year, at a younger age than Gudbranson is now, with no NHL experience. He does not fall into the same category as Gudbranson. 2) Kronwall has been a solid two-way D-man since he was brought into the NHL, he was just brought into the NHL late. That is not the same as breaking out in your mid-20's after significant NHL experience. He does not fall into the same category as Gudbranson. 3) Streit falls into the same category as Rafalski. Both these guys emerged in the NHL in their mid 20's, but neither had almost 350 games of NHL experience like Gudbranson has. They do not fall into the same category as Gudbranson. 4) Burns is probably the worst example you've used. Like you said, he was already a good D-man and he is almost the opposite of Gudbranson as he's excellent offensively and a more of a rover/gambler than a stay-at-home like Gudbranson. He does not fall into the same category as Gudbranson. I think you're missing my main argument. D-men who are in their mid-20's and have had a ton of NHL experience and show very little potential when it comes to qualities that are valued in today's game for a D-man (like puck-moving ability and possesion) do not historically take major steps in their development. I think your right but Guddy is not in that catagory yet, he had a bad season with being on a new team to injuries, no doubt about it not a great season for Guddy . Now I think he's better then what we saw this season just like Erikson and I expect both of them to be much better next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: I'm curious to hear your assessment on Gudbranson, outside of the facts that he was a third overall pick and his head coach liked him. I mean our headcoach loves Megna and Chaput... Gudbranson has zero offensive upside. He has to be elite defensively or be able to skate and move the puck away from trouble and zone entries/exits. People hate on Edler but at least he's a jack of all trades. Gudbranson has no offensive upside and is not even close to being an elite/great defender. What do you see in him? Edler is a jack of all trades? Yea maybe 4 years ago. Right now he struggles to make simple plays in his own end, doesn't hit, and can't get the puck though traffic if his life depended on it. Gudbranson provides intimidation on our back end that not only goalies love, but forwards on the other team think twice about. I was a little disappointed with his physical play this season, but I'm not gonna judge him on one season. His track record in Florida shows that he's got alot more to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, kanucks25 said: Or Benning could have just done a better job and made it work. He had an excellent trade chip in Hamhuis and got nothing for it. Imagine if we had another prospect like Goldobin or Dahlen in our system right now. Too many excuses, not enough results. maybe he didn't want to get taken advantage of letting go a player for nothing, Maybe he said to Linden F@#k them we will hold and we won't have a reputation of cracking under pressure. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 minute ago, JohnTavares said: I'm curious to hear your assessment on Gudbranson, outside of the facts that he was a third overall pick and his head coach liked him. I mean our headcoach loves Megna and Chaput... Gudbranson has zero offensive upside. He has to be elite defensively or be able to skate and move the puck away from trouble and zone entries/exits. People hate on Edler but at least he's a jack of all trades. Gudbranson has no offensive upside and is not even close to being an elite/great defender. What do you see in him? Who said he was an elite defender? Not every single player needs to be a doughty. In case you didn't realize it, the Oilers are big and tough, flames are big(ish) and tough, kings are big and tough, Anaheim is big and tough. Vancouver is not big and tough enough to handle those teams. Guddy brings that to the table, while being a solid defender and a very, very good leader in the dressing room. When the Leafs came back to town, who stepped up? When Kass needed a beat down to keep him in line, who stepped up? When opposition players crashed the net, who stepped up? All while playing with a destroyed wrist. You talk about your eye test, but if answered anyone but Guddy to the above questions, you need to change your prescription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Nope, anyone that sees his physicality as a big plus among a soft as butter D-core. Now only if he was good at hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 This is totally off subject but let me just say that tony Gallagher is a dolt. Guy seems to have no brains left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 minute ago, kanucks25 said: Now only if he was good at hockey. You should check your calendar, hating on Sbisa is sooo 2016. He's a solid bottom pairing guy that gets forced up the lineup because our lack of depth. If he's where he should be on the bottom pairing with Tryamkin, he excels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: Sbisa had a good streak for about 10-15 games before he regressed back to the same Pizza boy he's always been. Sbisa's "massive improvement" actually doesn't exist. He's a marginal player who took a marginal step forward. His low IQ will prohibit him to be anything more than a bottom pairing Dman. We expended valuable assets to acquire Gudbranson who is the same type of dman Sbisa is, but marginally better. Yep. He had a decent start to the season but regressed back to his awful self. It's actually funny how similar Gudbranson and Sbisa are: both big and decent skaters for their size, "character guys", have all the "tools" (and no toolbox), former top-5 draft picks a long time ago. Gudbranson is definitely better, and tougher, but neither is a top-4 D-man on a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, Barry_Wilkins said: Please God no. Sutter is fast becoming a fossil in the new, uptempo, speed-over-toughness NHL. If people thought Willie D had a short leash, just wait until Mr. I-just-ate-a-lemon-spiked-with-floor-polish gets here. Going hard-ass on guys like Godolbin and (in the future) Dahlen will make this mini-circus into a full-fledged Ringling Bros show in Vegas. His best coaching days are in the rear-view mirror. But, but he's right to the top of the list Barry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Lets hire another rookie coach, that worked out real well. Wouldn't want an experienced coach or anything like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: This is totally off subject but let me just say that tony Gallagher is a dolt. Guy seems to have no brains left. Did he ever have any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, JohnTavares said: Roster turnover =/= Rebuilding Actually, roster turnover doesn't mean jack, not sure what you're trying to prove. Every team goes through roster turnover every year. Getting younger =/= Rebuilding We had one of the older teams in the league, getting younger doesn't mean jack. Again, the team was trying to retool, not rebuild. You can get younger by retooling but still keep your veterans to compete for the playoffs. A rebuilding team would have traded Matthias, Richardson, Hamhuis, Vrbata for picks and futures. A rebuilding team would have contemplated trading the Sedins for value while they were still effective players. A rebuilding team does not trade prospects like Forsling or 2nd round picks for Linden Veys. Expanding prospect pool quality and depth =/= Rebuilding Natural order of accidental tanking, resulting in top draft picks, which leads to higher quality prospects. The management group thought the team could compete for the playoffs, but as many fans predicted, the team stank and resulted in some of the most boring and terrible Canucks hockey in the past two decades. You associate the natural order of retooling as rebuilding... there's a huge difference, but I wouldn't expect many fans to understand. Wow thank god we have you or maybe you are god himself. Reading your post reminded me of being in middle school, we have all kinds on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, stawns said: And there's the gem we were all waiting for 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: You clearly don't remember Sbisa from last season if you haven't noticed the huge improvement to his game. Regardless, they forced a pairing of Hutton and Gudbranson early on that clearly wasn't a fit. Hutton struggled big time this season, and Gudbranson is not at the stage where he can carry his D-partner yet. Put him with a more suitable partner and you'll see his game improve. Not worried about the assets we gave up either. They wouldn't be doing much for us now or anytime soon. Man how low has the bar been set? Sbisa by no means through traditional and/or advanced statistics have made an improvement. You can look at hits, blks, giveaways, corsi, +/-, etc No viable or credible metric has states Sbisa took a major step forward this year, if at all. I know it doesn't fit yor narrative but Sbisa had a better year last year according to the stats. But yeah tell me Sbisa's a much better player because media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, gurn said: NTC- look into it, you will see that the player gets to decide where he will go. ya your waisting your time if they are on here and don't know this by now then is useless to try and reason with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Luongo Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 This is great for the team moving forward! That's 1 Canucks killer down now for the other big one Edler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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