ronthecivil Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: What is not good is a government that sells out honest BC citizens to Off Shore investors.... What is not good is a government that does not care about Public Education , put BC into massive DEBT, don't care about health care or the Environment either...... BC Liberals have ruined this province. How, pray tell, given the world economic climate, our demographic issues, and the current state of affairs, would you "fix" public education, start paying off the debt, "fix" health care (extra bonus points for that one!), and save the environment? (Hint: Math does not work for that option without some serious magic). Considering what they had to work with, we're doing pretty darn good. FYI funding for education and healthcare went up every year they were in power, to the point where there's not much left for anything else? Unless you have a radical reform in mind for how either of those operates, there's nothing remotely close to a way to fund those things to an "acceptable" level (whatever that is) that will be sustainable. Perhaps we do need to have the NDP run things for a while so that BC can be jolted back to reality. Things are mighty good here (look around the world for comparison). Apart from sky high housing prices (of which the provincial government is the least responsible in allowing) things are chugging along relatively well. I suppose an economy slowing NDP-Green alliance (the 10k+ pink slips you get for stopping site C, the pipelines, and the Massey bridge right off the bat), the scaring off of industry further increasing the negative spiral. Then we might see the housing prices go down. And if you really want to see a recession in BC, then follow that path. One thing is absolutely true. There is no easy answer to the problems we have, and anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, apollo said: That's my biggest problem with the Libs. The damages are done though... we may never see affordable housing. Perhaps things might cool down, but I still don't see greater vancouver becoming "affordable" ever again. Do you mean the federal liberals? It's the feds that are supposed to be in charge of international trade. Not to mention interest rates. And immigration. But hey, why worry about jurisdiction when your looking for a reason to hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 4 hours ago, ronthecivil said: Do you mean the federal liberals? It's the feds that are supposed to be in charge of international trade. Not to mention interest rates. And immigration. But hey, why worry about jurisdiction when your looking for a reason to hate? That isn't true at all. The federal liberals aren't taking bribes from developers and letting them have their way. Aquilinis, walls, etc have all made massive donations and have given these developers all they want. Not to mention letting people that don't live here buy up presales and sitting on them tax free when it's the hard local workers paving the roads, healthcare, on and on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master 112 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 On 2017-5-15 at 5:33 PM, kingofsurrey said: BC GREEN MLA's have now become a traditional BC political party- THE first thing they do is ask for a Raise in Salary ???? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 47 minutes ago, apollo said: That isn't true at all. The federal liberals aren't taking bribes from developers and letting them have their way. Aquilinis, walls, etc have all made massive donations and have given these developers all they want. Not to mention letting people that don't live here buy up presales and sitting on them tax free when it's the hard local workers paving the roads, healthcare, on and on... The bribes are also at the Municipal Level. The Vision Party of Vancouver gets hundreds of thousands of dollars from developers. http://globalnews.ca/news/1658628/vision-vancouver-campaign-rakes-in-2m-in-donations-including-over-1-4m-from-corporations/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 7 hours ago, apollo said: That isn't true at all. The federal liberals aren't taking bribes from developers and letting them have their way. Aquilinis, walls, etc have all made massive donations and have given these developers all they want. Not to mention letting people that don't live here buy up presales and sitting on them tax free when it's the hard local workers paving the roads, healthcare, on and on... The federal liberals aren't taking bribes? Really? 1500$ a guest to meet with the pm or the finance minister. I bet you like the 35 billion dollar tax payer infrastructure bank that allows the richest people in the world to invest while Canadians hold all the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: The federal liberals aren't taking bribes? Really? 1500$ a guest to meet with the pm or the finance minister. I bet you like the 35 billion dollar tax payer infrastructure bank that allows the richest people in the world to invest while Canadians hold all the risk. I guess what my comment was focused on is our housing crisis in BC. I haven't dug deep into the feds but I'll take your word for it. Canada loves to let outsiders launder their money here... No doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 BC Provincial Politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 10 hours ago, apollo said: That isn't true at all. The federal liberals aren't taking bribes from developers and letting them have their way. Aquilinis, walls, etc have all made massive donations and have given these developers all they want. Not to mention letting people that don't live here buy up presales and sitting on them tax free when it's the hard local workers paving the roads, healthcare, on and on... Are you saying we shouldn't let them buy places? That would impact demand. But that's a federal decision, and one with some serious potential unintended consequences. Remember, politicians of every stripe (even greens and NDP) are generally keen on foreign investment. It's the stated goal of all those international trips..... Are the developers getting all they want? Are you saying there's too much development? Reducing it would cost a lot of jobs, and put further upward pressure on prices, not to mention lower government revenue, which is kind of needed for those health and education things. If developers had their way, there wouldn't even be a thing such as zoning. Heck, there's still single family houses next to 30 year old skytrain stations in Vancouver! You don't think developers haven't though of sticking a few towers in those, and many other locations, that have been turned down?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: BC Provincial Politics We have a morally corrupt BC Liberal Party willing to do / say anything to retain power/ benefits for the Uber rich developer friends of BC. Thanks for the rhetoric! BC Provincial Politics. We have a economically ignorant set of left wing parties. One thinks only of the environment with little else stated. One is stuck in the 30s with the union vs. management mentality, with the morally corrupt goal of sitting on both sides of the negation table with the already powerful, and extremely costly, public sector unions. Both are completely out of touch with the way of life outside of the island/lower mainland. As they like to say, their the part of the province that pays the taxes, and the city is where people spend them. Handy tip! Ignore this sentiment at your peril, BC green party, and BC NDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 9 hours ago, DonLever said: The bribes are also at the Municipal Level. The Vision Party of Vancouver gets hundreds of thousands of dollars from developers. http://globalnews.ca/news/1658628/vision-vancouver-campaign-rakes-in-2m-in-donations-including-over-1-4m-from-corporations/ And yet development in Vancouver is still extremely difficult. If they are bribing them (which they are not), they aren't getting good value for their money. FYI, I would recommend tossing out things like "bribe" without evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 35 minutes ago, ronthecivil said: Are you saying we shouldn't let them buy places? That would impact demand. But that's a federal decision, and one with some serious potential unintended consequences. Remember, politicians of every stripe (even greens and NDP) are generally keen on foreign investment. It's the stated goal of all those international trips..... Are the developers getting all they want? Are you saying there's too much development? Reducing it would cost a lot of jobs, and put further upward pressure on prices, not to mention lower government revenue, which is kind of needed for those health and education things. If developers had their way, there wouldn't even be a thing such as zoning. Heck, there's still single family houses next to 30 year old skytrain stations in Vancouver! You don't think developers haven't though of sticking a few towers in those, and many other locations, that have been turned down?!? There certainly isn't too much development. What we need is more development and taller, more affordable units. The fact that they turn them down is because they want to keep demand up and maximize the returns for their developer buddies. Not to mention, every new unit going up dt or near dt is all super high end. They are approving those but nothing in the lower price points. Developers need the city to minimize development so it keeps their demand sky high and then flip 70% of their presales to buyers outside of Canada who pay 0 tax and then screw over the local guy that wants to buy when it's ready by making a huge 10-30% on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 18 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Really how it is different than Christy's Fiberals trying to boost Green support this election ? PS - by the way Fiberals lost this election... It was all theirs for a Majority Gov and Christy and her cronies blew it big time. 15 million $$$$ reasons they lost.... *Last election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 59 minutes ago, ronthecivil said: One thinks only of the environment with little else stated. That's overly simplistic and not particularly true (especially in their present form). I certainly don't agree with 100% of the Green's platform/stance on things but a rather good portion of it is quite sound and not 'only of the environment with little else stated'. Have you actually looked at their platform? They're not industry averse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 On 5/14/2017 at 10:21 AM, kingofsurrey said: Christy has lost the province despite spending more in election Ads than any other provincial party in Canada. 60 % of voters voted her out. Time for CC to resign. 60% also voted against the NDP. Should Horgan resign? Despite people in BC being fed up with Christy and the BC Liberals, the NDP have completely failed to win what should have been a cake walk. Twice. I think they need to stop blaming others and take a look in the mirror instead. To take that one step further, the reason they win shouldn't even be because people are fed up with the Liberals, or because there was a split on the right. They should win because of the power of their own platform and the quality of their candidates. And I think that's why the Greens have been making up ground. I think the next election will go to show whether they have already peaked or if they have it in them to become a viable third option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, J.R. said: That's overly simplistic and not particularly true (especially in their present form). I certainly don't agree with 100% of the Green's platform/stance on things but a rather good portion of it is quite sound and not 'only of the environment with little else stated'. Have you actually looked at their platform? They're not industry averse. They can be reasoned with. If it's a liberal green alliance, it won't be that bad. I put together a bit of an agreement on how that could work a page or two ago. If it's an NDP green alliance, bye-bye economy. The NDP will squash the private sector. The greens will squash resource jobs. Together they impact just about everything outside of people building condos for each other. Except they both have plans to put huge brakes on that as well. The greens are anti pipeline, anti Massey bridge, and anti site C. That's a lot of divestment and job loss right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 1 hour ago, apollo said: There certainly isn't too much development. What we need is more development and taller, more affordable units. The fact that they turn them down is because they want to keep demand up and maximize the returns for their developer buddies. Not to mention, every new unit going up dt or near dt is all super high end. They are approving those but nothing in the lower price points. Developers need the city to minimize development so it keeps their demand sky high and then flip 70% of their presales to buyers outside of Canada who pay 0 tax and then screw over the local guy that wants to buy when it's ready by making a huge 10-30% on it I think the reason things get turned down is due to the pressures of NIMBYs and social housing requirements, etc. There's no incentive to build at a lower price point. Why would you when to you can sell everything out in the presale phase at a high price point? There's less of that pressure in places like Burnaby (where towers go up left right and centre) but they're all super high end as well. Heck, it's pretty much the story in every municipality in the region. Heck, it's kind of true in the interior! Hence why I put the blame on the feds first and foremost.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, ronthecivil said: They can be reasoned with. If it's a liberal green alliance, it won't be that bad. I put together a bit of an agreement on how that could work a page or two ago. If it's an NDP green alliance, bye-bye economy. The NDP will squash the private sector. The greens will squash resource jobs. Together they impact just about everything outside of people building condos for each other. Except they both have plans to put huge brakes on that as well. The greens are anti pipeline, anti Massey bridge, and anti site C. That's a lot of divestment and job loss right there. But they are pro-'a lot of other things that will also create jobs' And regardless of what strides they made this election or may make next election, they're unlikely to form a majority any time soon regardless. So I'm not sure there's much to worry about re: the Green boogeyman killing all the resource /infrastructure jobs (which wouldn't happen anyway). Agreed on the NDP. As @goalie13 noted, the NDP have failed twice now in what should theoretically been cake walks to oust the Liberals due to them not remotely understanding what the vast majority of people in BC want from their government, or opposition. BC voters do not see them as a viable or trustworthy option. Full stop. How anyone see's them as a better or more viable 'left' alternative at this point than the Greens, other than simply because they 'have been', is baffling. They're a mess. A continuing Liberal minority with a strengthening Green party taking away seats from the useless, confused and disorganized NDP would be just fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 On 5/18/2017 at 11:04 AM, ronthecivil said: If it's an NDP green alliance, bye-bye economy. The NDP will squash the private sector. The greens will squash resource jobs. Together they impact just about everything outside of people building condos for each other. Except they both have plans to put huge brakes on that as well. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman491 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 4 hours ago, ronthecivil said: Are you saying we shouldn't let them buy places? That would impact demand. But that's a federal decision, and one with some serious potential unintended consequences. Remember, politicians of every stripe (even greens and NDP) are generally keen on foreign investment. It's the stated goal of all those international trips..... Are the developers getting all they want? Are you saying there's too much development? Reducing it would cost a lot of jobs, and put further upward pressure on prices, not to mention lower government revenue, which is kind of needed for those health and education things. If developers had their way, there wouldn't even be a thing such as zoning. Heck, there's still single family houses next to 30 year old skytrain stations in Vancouver! You don't think developers haven't though of sticking a few towers in those, and many other locations, that have been turned down?!? I would say that something like the recent tax that was just imposed should have been put in a long time ago. My wife and I bring home just over 100K a year and cannot afford anything but a condo. Throw the cost of child care in the mix and we cannot afford to pay a mortgage on most condo's that would fit our family. It is a governments job to look out for its citizens (the ones who pay taxes). We will be leaving BC this year so we can live somewhere our salary allows us to buy a home, so we have a backyard for our kids. A lot of young professionals who have not yet gotten into the housing market are in the same boat. I would say that is an issue the government is for sure responsible for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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