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4 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said:

So what is the Green Party going to do now?  Are they going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder or are they going to stick to their pre-election promises?

 

Are they going to side with the NDP or the Liberals?

I'd like to think Weaver is an honorable man. If he sticks to his promises I don't see how there's any way he works with Christy Clark.

 

My money would be on him teaming up with Horgan and the NDP.

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15 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said:

So what is the Green Party going to do now?  Are they going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder or are they going to stick to their pre-election promises?

 

Are they going to side with the NDP or the Liberals?

The counting isn't finished yet. Continues tomorrow.

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1 hour ago, Salmonberries said:

The counting isn't finished yet. Continues tomorrow.

 

1000 ballots counted went from +9 to +101, also absentees across BC have gone big for the NDP. 900 votes left, but an 11% swing in the remaining votes to be counted will be tough considering the pattern we've seen of absentees going NDP. It ain't over yet, but I think the fat lady is warming up.

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1 hour ago, Mattrek said:

 

1000 ballots counted went from +9 to +101, also absentees across BC have gone big for the NDP. 900 votes left, but an 11% swing in the remaining votes to be counted will be tough considering the pattern we've seen of absentees going NDP. It ain't over yet, but I think the fat lady is warming up.

The absentees going NDP is shocking the hell out of me. The military guys in Comox especially, that is a stunner right there. Absentee ballot counts lean to the right usually. Christy fatigue is real. 

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It looks like it will be a minority government.  Libs 43, NDP, 41, Greens 3.  Unlikely the 100 vote difference will change because all the recounts in other ridings show more absentee votes going toward the NDP and votes shrinking for the Libs.  For example the lead for Liberal Jas Johal shrank with the recount.

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7 hours ago, Harvey Spector said:

So what is the Green Party going to do now?  Are they going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder or are they going to stick to their pre-election promises?

 

Are they going to side with the NDP or the Liberals?

He's got 3 seats, he can't 'stick to preelection promises'. His party isn't forming government. 

 

All he can do is use his power as swing seats to compromise on votes for another party to attain key Green initiatives like no more corporate/union donations, official party status, transit etc... maybe even some sort of representative election reform. 

 

It will likely be the Liberals. 

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41 minutes ago, J.R. said:

He's got 3 seats, he can't 'stick to preelection promises'. His party isn't forming government. 

 

All he can do is use his power as swing seats to compromise on votes for another party to attain key Green initiatives like no more corporate/union donations, official party status, transit etc... maybe even some sort of representative election reform. 

 

It will likely be the Liberals. 

 

No it won't unless two extremely unlikely occurrences happen that 1) Liberals will agree to ban corporate donations (which is there lifeblood, NYT did an article about how much a sham the money going to the Liberals is, without it they're going to have a ton of trouble finding campaigns) and 2) Greens want to piss off their voters by allowing Clark back into office which over 60% of BC voted against doing. They will destroy their party by doing so. I don't see it happening for those two reasons especially.

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9 hours ago, Harvey Spector said:

So what is the Green Party going to do now?  Are they going to whore themselves out to the highest bidder or are they going to stick to their pre-election promises?

 

Are they going to side with the NDP or the Liberals?

I think you're mixing the Greens up with the Liberal "leave the money on the nightstand" party

 

Weaver backing Clark would be tantamount to political suicide for Weaver and the Greens and he knows it.  Surveyed green supporters/members overwhelmingly polled 4/5 against working with Clark

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1 hour ago, Mattrek said:

 

No it won't unless two extremely unlikely occurrences happen that 1) Liberals will agree to ban corporate donations (which is there lifeblood, NYT did an article about how much a sham the money going to the Liberals is, without it they're going to have a ton of trouble finding campaigns) and 2) Greens want to piss off their voters by allowing Clark back into office which over 60% of BC voted against doing. They will destroy their party by doing so. I don't see it happening for those two reasons especially.

 

39 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I think you're mixing the Greens up with the Liberal "leave the money on the nightstand" party

 

Weaver backing Clark would be tantamount to political suicide for Weaver and the Greens and he knows it.  Surveyed green supporters/members overwhelmingly polled 4/5 against working with Clark

Liberals are the incumbent party and won the most seats, they get first dibs on forming government. But they'll need to play ball with the Greens to do so. 

 

I voted Green, they're not going to 'piss me off' by getting important Green initiatives enacted by working with the leading, Liberal party. Far from. This is how politics works folks.

 

Strategically, they also risk being swallowed up by the NDP if they were to form a coalition. The NDP would get credit for any left/Green leaning policies and the effect  would be to put the Greens in the background. They're far better off forcing the Liberals to work with them and being seen as the party that actually got the Liberals to enact left/Green initiatives. Counter to the incompetent NDP who haven't accomplished in the last, near 20 years and keeping themselves firmly in the foreground.

 

'We're the Green party, we get $&!# done unlike the NDP. Even with the horrible Liberals in power.'

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9 hours ago, DeNiro said:

I'd like to think Weaver is an honorable man. If he sticks to his promises I don't see how there's any way he works with Christy Clark.

 

My money would be on him teaming up with Horgan and the NDP.

but why would he do that? it makes more sense for him to go on a vote by vote basis rather than forming some sort of coalition. He'll get more of his promises kept that way. Right now he's got massive leverage with Clark, she really doesn't have a lot of choice on some of Weavers key issues. E.g., if Weaver makes a deal to support the throne speech and not topple the gov't on day 1, he likely can get corporate and union money out of BC politics. Thats a huge win for the Greens. If he just gloms on to the NDP then he doesn't get the credit for it and raise his parties profile. 

 

i get that having Clark ousted is a key thing for a lot of people, but others want to see some actual progress on some issues and not just from an NDP lens. Weaver can get a lot accomplished over the next year or so, and you'll still see Clark get the boot eventually.

 

Its much smarter for Weaver to retain the hammer in this situation than give it to Horgan. 

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7 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

Liberals are the incumbent party and won the most seats, they get first dibs on forming government. But they'll need to play ball with the Greens to do so. 

 

I voted Green, they're not going to 'piss me off' by getting important Green initiatives enacted by working with the leading, Liberal party. Far from. This is how politics works folks.

 

Strategically, they also risk being swallowed up by the NDP if they were to form a coalition. The NDP would get credit for any left/Green leaning policies and the effect  would be to put the Greens in the background. They're far better off forcing the Liberals to work with them and being seen as the party that actually got the Liberals to enact left/Green initiatives. Counter to the incompetent NDP who haven't accomplished in the last, near 20 years and keeping themselves firmly in the foreground.

 

'We're the Green party, we get $&!# done unlike the NDP. Even with the horrible Liberals in power.'

the only people "pissed off" will be guys like Hip who just wanted Clark gone as the #1 issue. 

 

It sure looks like Weaver is going to have power well beyond his vote count and he'd be a fool not to milk that thing. Clarks gone within 18 months no matter what and he can hopefully make some big changes. 

 

If Weaver can demonstrate that he can get some key things done, the Greens may be able to win a lot more seats next time and be the balance of power in BC not just for a year, but for a heck of a long time. The NDP supporters don't want to see that, or imagine a BC where thats the case. 

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59 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Weaver backing Clark would be tantamount to political suicide for Weaver and the Greens and he knows it. 

no, it isn't in the short term. Its how Weaver will get some things accomplished separate from the NDP. It makes no sense for the Greens to make an official coalition with the NDP, being in the orange shadow does the Green Party no good at all. 

 

People care about results and will enjoy seeing Clark have to bend to another party's ideas. Weaver can get the credit for taking big money out of politics, new investment in green tech and maybe some housing issues. Going with Horgan just gives that to the NDP. Weaver's a fool if he joins up with Hodor.  

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10 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

the only people "pissed off" will be guys like Hip who just wanted Clark gone as the #1 issue

 

It sure looks like Weaver is going to have power well beyond his vote count and he'd be a fool not to milk that thing. Clarks gone within 18 months no matter what and he can hopefully make some big changes. 

 

If Weaver can demonstrate that he can get some key things done, the Greens may be able to win a lot more seats next time and be the balance of power in BC not just for a year, but for a heck of a long time. The NDP supporters don't want to see that, or imagine a BC where thats the case. 

The highlighted I find quite amusing that people fixate on her so much. While I certainly have no love lost for her (or her party), she's just the puppet, the smiling face the party puts out for photo ops and to deflect and stick to talking points in debates, news conferences etc.

 

If she's gone, there will just be another puppet in her place for everyone to hate on. Thinking the leader of the party is the source of the issues with said party is beyond naive and frankly, is EXACTLY what they want people to think. That way when the public grows tired of that puppet leader, they can place another puppet leader up there and sell the public on 'CHANGE!' and "NEW LEADERSHIP!' even though the core of and money behind, that party are still exactly the same....

 

 

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