aGENT Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: Getting rid of Clarke gets rid of the puppet who so easily can lie with a smile on her face. Some will be softened to a woman who is a mother...this whole families first nonsense was built on that. Playing into the family/motherly stuff. Greens shouldn't focus on buddying up to ensure their issues and mandates are addressed. That's the entire problem to date...is that some are "using" others to get what they need. It becomes a political back scratch...and we need to get rid of the you do for me and I'll do for you. It IS politics...but the greens are supposed to be changing things. Or...are they? Not a friendly tea party...but a gathering of people with integrity who want to rid politics of the corruption and the money exchange that rules based on greed, not ethics or community interests. Or perhaps that's just how they've sold themselves and they're no different? I guess I would just hope people are smart enough to see through that. It should be plainly obvious what the liberal party is 'about' regardless of a 'motherly', or (otherwise) puppet. You have to change the system from within Deb. They have to give (support to a liberal government) to get (green initiatives that will hopefully yield/lead to change). They're simply playing in the rules of the game. What you wrote would certainly be noble bit it's unrealistically idealistic and wouldn't actually accomplish change in the present system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 40 minutes ago, iwtl said: The sad reality is that the party with the highest seat count is the tax and debt party - the BC Liberals. Under their term we have seen our debt rise by 139 billion dollars. We need to pay that off - we simply can not leave our kids with that crippling debt with interest rates set to rise. That is 30 thousand dollars each for every single person in BC. Do we send each person a bill? Do we say to heck with the future and run that credit through the roof? Even if we stopped spending on all education and health it would take years to pay of the liberal debts. With the liberals having no plans to put more BC people back to work in family supporting jobs - its time to deal with this runaway debt. It will only continue to grow. Voters have by a margin of 40% voted in favor of high debt and increased taxes/fees. I joked about bringing in an idiot tax if the liberals were reelected, but now its time to face the bill. We need to either move forward on things that put BC workers back to work at family supporting jobs - things like ending the TFW program completely, lower tuition to retrain people, affordable childcare so women can afford to work etc .... or we need to put back ALL of those business tax cuts to stop the bleeding. There is no more taxes - fees - cuts we can do to the working middle class .... we have cut social spending to a bare minimum. We have sold off much of BC - what's left other than facing the fact that business's free ride on taxes needs to end. Isn't B.C's debt less then 70 billion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: Isn't B.C's debt less then 70 billion? Yes, it is. Does not matter when so much misinformation is spread around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Liberal math.... they don't include all the p3 debt. If you or I had payments we must make we would include it .... I don't get right wing math .... p3 debt is debt ..... try not paying these companies and see what happens lol We need to do an economics 101 class it seems .... credit debt is debt - full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 BC Election 2017: Christy Clark's BC Liberals 'win' minority in final count. http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-election-2017-christy-clark-bc-liberals-win-minority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 minute ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: BC Election 2017: Christy Clark's BC Liberals 'win' minority in final count. http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-election-2017-christy-clark-bc-liberals-win-minority So the recount is complete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Just now, Ryan Strome said: So the recount is complete? Final vote count completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: BC Election 2017: Christy Clark's BC Liberals 'win' minority in final count. http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-election-2017-christy-clark-bc-liberals-win-minority interesting days ahead then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 I'm really hoping this gets many more people engaged in whats going on in their own province. 40% of people not bothering to vote just isn't right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 39 minutes ago, inane said: Nice one. The election results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivethej Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 NDP and Greens need to unite and bring her down once and for all. However, I don't trust Weaver at all. Gary Mason wrote article the other day about Libs donors funding Greens - No surprise at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 We will see soon if the greens are greens and how the liberals handle sharing power. Voters will punish any party needlessly pushing us into another election too soon. If Christy can handle that 60% of voters didn't like their party and begin to compromise ( meaning wages have to go up..... if business doesn't start sharing it will kill the liberal party )... if she and her business partners can do that..... this 3 way governance may better BC If she treats it as business as usual we may see a ndp government with a green party opposition next go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, fivethej said: NDP and Greens need to unite and bring her down once and for all. However, I don't trust Weaver at all. Gary Mason wrote article the other day about Libs donors funding Greens - No surprise at all. So a coalition of the losers? That's good for democracy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, iwtl said: We will see soon if the greens are greens and how the liberals handle sharing power. Voters will punish any party needlessly pushing us into another election too soon. If Christy can handle that 60% of voters didn't like their party and begin to compromise ( meaning wages have to go up..... if business doesn't start sharing it will kill the liberal party )... if she and her business partners can do that..... this 3 way governance may better BC If she treats it as business as usual we may see a ndp government with a green party opposition next go Lol I highly doubt this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 45 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: So a coalition of the losers? That's good for democracy... Is that like when the reformers and the CPC merged? Or the wildrose and the PCs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 So Horgan has said he's now willing to work with the Greens, now willing to negotiate with Clark. Too bad he's so Angry Tom like. He's flopping all over the place willing to do anything for power. Clark is still smug as f*** head bobbing all over the place. I'd actually like to see both the NDP and the Libs simply say ok Weaver, you can be the figurehead premiere and we'll work together. But there's no chance they'll actually give the seat to anyone else. Whether it's to allow him to fail or whether they'd be afraid if he succeeded there's NO chance they'll relinquish control This is why politics is fundamentally broken. Our paid public servants will not relinquish control at all if it means a loss of power; even if it IS to actually govern for the benefit of the people. Too bad really, just means another election in 18 months or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Is that like when the reformers and the CPC merged? Or the wildrose and the PCs? Nope, it's like when the liberals and ndp tried to form a government with the separatist. Losers as in lost the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: Lol I highly doubt this. 2 things First the ndp greens make up 60% of the voting this election.... liberals 40%. Calling them losers shows a very narcissistic view of power ..... Clark won the right to attempt governing and based on what she posted on the bc liberal website I now wager it will be a very short period of power for her Second.... the last time the right wing lost power they moved camp to the liberals. So it's not a stretch to see history repeat itself and have the right wing take over another party. Few would have believed the liberals could have become opposition back In the 90s. When the right wing coalition falls apart under Christy.... the greens are a logical take over instead of rebuilding their own party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, iwtl said: 2 things First the ndp greens make up 60% of the voting this election.... liberals 40%. Calling them losers shows a very narcissistic view of power ..... Clark won the right to attempt governing and based on what she posted on the bc liberal website I now wager it will be a very short period of power for her Second.... the last time the right wing lost power they moved camp to the liberals. So it's not a stretch to see history repeat itself and have the right wing take over another party. Few would have believed the liberals could have become opposition back In the 90s. When the right wing coalition falls apart under Christy.... the greens are a logical take over instead of rebuilding their own party. Coalition governments are legal and I don't care for CC or the B.C liberals but a coalition of losing parties is not good for democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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