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25 minutes ago, goalie13 said:

The first part that will be interesting will be to see what the LG does.  Clark is still the Premier.  If she does invite the NDP/Greens to be government, I agree, they will have to be very careful.  Ruling parties traditionally don't do well in by-elections.  But if Clark asks her to dissolve the government and we wind up with another election in the fall, then anything is possible.

 

As for Clark, even if Courtenay-Comox had flipped and the Liberals had their narrow majority, I think she had already reached her best-before date.  The Liberals need to start re-branding themselves if they want to get back in charge.  In some ways it's funny.  Clark did well because she was an outsider (of sorts) that could distance herself from the Campbell Liberals.  Now they need someone new to distance themselves from Clark.

yah I think you're bang on. Its going to take an interesting person to get more votes in metro vancouver tho... ah well, fun times. 

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1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said:

When a BC Liberal government steals from handicapped kids public education... it is time for them to go....

Luckily we had a Canadian Supreme court to protect us BC citizens from our very own provincial government......

 

 

Good bye CC  -  the Duchess of Dunbar.     You could never even win your own riding..  

 

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be a nice winner :lol:

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, J.R. said:

Guessing there's likely a raise in pay...

 

The coalition might also get someone to cross the floor for the right price. 

could be. I bet the Liberals are trying to do the same thing right now.... i wonder if Horgan screwed over some MLA somewhere... :rolleyes:

 

what will be really interesting tho is if an seat goes back to the libs somehow, or even goes independent. 

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Not going to make a difference if the NDP/Greens want the pipe line or not.It's going in regardless of who is in power.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trans-mountain-trudeau-tuesday-1.4137305

 

Trudeau stands by decision on Trans Mountain pipeline despite B.C. result

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his government's support for the expansion of the Trans Mountain pipeline was based on what's in Canada's best interest, and will not change even if the position of a new provincial government does.

"The decision we took on the Trans Mountain pipeline was based on facts [and] evidence, on what is in the best interest of Canadians," he said during a joint press conference with Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni in Rome on Tuesday.

A deal announced Monday between the NDP and the Green Party has poised British Columbia for a change in government, following confirmation of a tight provincial election result earlier this month that saw Christy Clark's Liberals fail to win the majority of seats in the legislature.

More details on the scope of this agreement are expected Tuesday, but the two parties campaigned against expansion of the Kinder Morgan pipeline. Clark's government was supportive.

"Regardless of a change in government, in British Columbia or anywhere, the facts and evidence do not change," Trudeau said. "We understand that growing a strong economy for the future requires taking leadership on the environment.

"We have to do those two things together. That is what drives us in the choices we make, and we stand by those choices."

Provinces 'cannot unilaterally stop projects'

In a statement early Tuesday, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley said she's confident the two provinces could work together on important issues should the new accord result in an NDP-led government in B.C.

But "it is no secret that we have one important disagreement," she said, describing the Trans Mountain expansion as "critical" to both Alberta's economy and the national economy. 

"It comes with significant safety measures that will better protect Canada's West Coast and Alberta's commitment to a world-leading climate plan," the statement said. "Because of that, the National Energy Board and the federal government, which has ultimate responsibility, approved it after a rigorous environmental review."

Notley said provinces "do not have the right to unilaterally stop projects such as Trans Mountain that have earned the federal government's approval. This is a foundational principle that binds our country together.

"There are no legal tools available to provinces to stand in the way of infrastructure projects that benefit all Canadians. We will use the means at our disposal to ensure that the project is built."

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44 minutes ago, inane said:

Pretty silly we're building oil pipelines in 2017. 

who's "we"? If a private oil firm wants to invest thats their decision. We're still a while away from an actual affordable alternative for vehicles, and we'll need power for that. But even hydro is bad now. So I guess we'll be waiting for that flux capacitor to save us. 

 

One of the really annoying parts of this whole debate is the fact that we have about 30 or so different kinds of container and supply ships in our port almost every day and it never gets mentioned. All of them contain thousands of litres of bunker fuel and some are oil tankers. Without the marine safety upgrades the KM project will bring we will have no way of dealing with even a minor spill from any of these ships in harbour right now. 

 

So its 30 ships + no way of dealing with a spill, or 31 ships per day and marine safety. Seems like a good choice to me. 

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15 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

who's "we"? If a private oil firm wants to invest thats their decision. We're still a while away from an actual affordable alternative for vehicles, and we'll need power for that. But even hydro is bad now. So I guess we'll be waiting for that flux capacitor to save us. 

 

One of the really annoying parts of this whole debate is the fact that we have about 30 or so different kinds of container and supply ships in our port almost every day and it never gets mentioned. All of them contain thousands of litres of bunker fuel and some are oil tankers. Without the marine safety upgrades the KM project will bring we will have no way of dealing with even a minor spill from any of these ships in harbour right now. 

 

So its 30 ships + no way of dealing with a spill, or 31 ships per day and marine safety. Seems like a good choice to me. 

We is Canada in 2017. 

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49 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

One of the really annoying parts of this whole debate is the fact that we have about 30 or so different kinds of container and supply ships in our port almost every day and it never gets mentioned. All of them contain thousands of litres of bunker fuel and some are oil tankers. Without the marine safety upgrades the KM project will bring we will have no way of dealing with even a minor spill from any of these ships in harbour right now. 

I'll drop this link here so people can see for themselves:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-123.4/centery:48.7/zoom:9

The legend tells you what the colours mean: 
-Red is generally oil tanker,
-Green is cargo
-Blue are ferries or passenger vessels.

We should realise, the Americans have been shipping oil via the Salish sea for decades. Again, check the map and see for yourself. The outgoing shipping lane is on the Canadian side of the water. 

However, I'm not saying I fully agree with the project. I think the choice of port location is poor. I also think they should ship a more refined product. Even the American's don't want us to ship Bitumen as a product near the precious San Juan Islands. With the right concessions, the project could be much safer. 

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11 hours ago, S'all Good Man said:

be a nice winner :lol:

 

 

 

 

You know as well as I do if the Liberals won the opposite would be happening from conservatives to NDP/Green supporters. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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2 hours ago, tbone909 said:

Not going to make a difference if the NDP/Greens want the pipe line or not.It's going in regardless of who is in power.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trans-mountain-trudeau-tuesday-1.4137305

 

Trudeau stands by decision on Trans Mountain pipeline despite B.C. result

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his government's support for the expansion of the Trans Mountain pipeline was based on what's in Canada's best interest, and will not change even if the position of a new provincial government does.

"The decision we took on the Trans Mountain pipeline was based on facts [and] evidence, on what is in the best interest of Canadians," he said during a joint press conference with Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni in Rome on Tuesday.

A deal announced Monday between the NDP and the Green Party has poised British Columbia for a change in government, following confirmation of a tight provincial election result earlier this month that saw Christy Clark's Liberals fail to win the majority of seats in the legislature.

More details on the scope of this agreement are expected Tuesday, but the two parties campaigned against expansion of the Kinder Morgan pipeline. Clark's government was supportive.

"Regardless of a change in government, in British Columbia or anywhere, the facts and evidence do not change," Trudeau said. "We understand that growing a strong economy for the future requires taking leadership on the environment.

"We have to do those two things together. That is what drives us in the choices we make, and we stand by those choices."

Provinces 'cannot unilaterally stop projects'

In a statement early Tuesday, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley said she's confident the two provinces could work together on important issues should the new accord result in an NDP-led government in B.C.

But "it is no secret that we have one important disagreement," she said, describing the Trans Mountain expansion as "critical" to both Alberta's economy and the national economy. 

"It comes with significant safety measures that will better protect Canada's West Coast and Alberta's commitment to a world-leading climate plan," the statement said. "Because of that, the National Energy Board and the federal government, which has ultimate responsibility, approved it after a rigorous environmental review."

Notley said provinces "do not have the right to unilaterally stop projects such as Trans Mountain that have earned the federal government's approval. This is a foundational principle that binds our country together.

"There are no legal tools available to provinces to stand in the way of infrastructure projects that benefit all Canadians. We will use the means at our disposal to ensure that the project is built."

 

The NDP Greens get the good press for 'standing tough against the pipeline'. The Feds/Alberta will push it through, and likely give BC some concession somewhere (Green industry funds?) to agree to stop opposing it. BC gov will say 'we did all we could but the Feds pushed it through' and save face with something like extra Green Industry funding concession.

 

#politics101

 

As for the not building pipelines in 2017... They're going to move the oil one way or another. I'd rather it be done through a modern, safer pipeline than an older one or even worse, via rail. It's also better in a largely existing corridor and port than the ridiculous Northern Gateway one.

 

 

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2 hours ago, inane said:

We is Canada in 2017. 

sure but oil is expected to be in use for about another 50 years, so if some company decides to invest, and if can be done safely, then why shouldn't Canada play a part? A lot of "Canada" wants an oil industry. We haven't had a national decision on what we want as a country so there's no "we" until that happens. 

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1 hour ago, gizmo2337 said:

I'll drop this link here so people can see for themselves:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-123.4/centery:48.7/zoom:9

The legend tells you what the colours mean: 
-Red is generally oil tanker,
-Green is cargo
-Blue are ferries or passenger vessels.

We should realise, the Americans have been shipping oil via the Salish sea for decades. Again, check the map and see for yourself. The outgoing shipping lane is on the Canadian side of the water. 

However, I'm not saying I fully agree with the project. I think the choice of port location is poor. I also think they should ship a more refined product. Even the American's don't want us to ship Bitumen as a product near the precious San Juan Islands. With the right concessions, the project could be much safer. 

Thanks for posting that. Once you see whats already sitting in our harbour area that has literally no protection it gets scary. As far as the port location, it makes so much more sense for it to be in Burnaby vs. a pristine north coast fjord, at least to me.

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