JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Mattrek said: You know as well as I do if the Liberals won the opposite would be happening from conservatives to NDP/Green supporters. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I know, @kingofsurrey was just rubbing it in a bit he probably owes me tho.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: I've moved on. Hopefully we can get in a Liberal leader thats you know, actually a Liberal. The next leader puppet of the Liberals will have very little effect on party policy. Come on S'all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 16 hours ago, goalie13 said: Found a good article explaining the situation: http://globalnews.ca/news/3487781/bc-ndp-greens-minority-government/ as much as the sideshow of a demand for the LG to call another election would be interesting i think she needs to move on for the good of the province. One thing I'm not clear on tho is when she actually has to recall the legislature.... is it right away or months away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: One thing I'm not clear on tho is when she actually has to recall the legislature.... is it right away or months away? Me either, but the legislative calendar currently shows the next session starting on October 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, J.R. said: The next leader puppet of the Liberals will have very little effect on party policy. Come on S'all nah, i'm not there yet. E.g., we've got a large nearly untapped group of very successful women who could be great at developing new policy in BC. I'd vote for a number of these folks: https://www.bcbusiness.ca/the-50-most-influential-women-in-bc Or someone like Jody Wilson-Raybould could win, now that would be something. Or Gregor Robertson. There a lot of good people out there that can make a difference in our current system, imo anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, goalie13 said: Me either, but the legislative calendar currently shows the next session starting on October 2nd. OK thats probably it then. Man if she waits that long Horgan might burst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone909 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, J.R. said: The NDP Greens get the good press for 'standing tough against the pipeline'. The Feds/Alberta will push it through, and likely give BC some concession somewhere (Green industry funds?) to agree to stop opposing it. BC gov will say 'we did all we could but the Feds pushed it through' and save face with something like extra Green Industry funding concession. #politics101 As for the not building pipelines in 2017... They're going to move the oil one way or another. I'd rather it be done through a modern, safer pipeline than an older one or even worse, via rail. It's also better in a largely existing corridor and port than the ridiculous Northern Gateway one. Totally agree J.R. it will be about saving face and what concessions the province can get from the feds. I pointed out how naive it was for some that thought that the Province would have that much power to stop a project like this from going through. I do hope in the future that we can live in a world that is not depended on fossil fuels , but until the green energy projects can replace them this is the world we live in in North America and Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: nah, i'm not there yet. E.g., we've got a large nearly untapped group of very successful women who could be great at developing new policy in BC. I'd vote for a number of these folks: https://www.bcbusiness.ca/the-50-most-influential-women-in-bc Or someone like Jody Wilson-Raybould could win, now that would be something. Or Gregor Robertson. There a lot of good people out there that can make a difference in our current system, imo anyway. Nobody's saying there aren't quality people out there with good intentions but the Liberal party is not run by it's leader. At best, they enjoy some modicum of input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: nah, i'm not there yet. E.g., we've got a large nearly untapped group of very successful women who could be great at developing new policy in BC. I'd vote for a number of these folks: https://www.bcbusiness.ca/the-50-most-influential-women-in-bc Or someone like Jody Wilson-Raybould could win, now that would be something. Or Gregor Robertson. There a lot of good people out there that can make a difference in our current system, imo anyway. Carole Taylor rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, J.R. said: Nobody's saying there aren't quality people out there with good intentions but the Liberal party is not run by it's leader. At best, they enjoy some modicum of input. Then that leader's not a leader.... Takes a special kind. Even at a local level, we have two who stand alone on council. The others are puppets, with their strings being pulled by $$. It's too often how it is, but that doesn't mean we have to settle for or accept that. Recent trends show that we're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, debluvscanucks said: Then that leader's not a leader.... Welcome to politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, J.R. said: Welcome to politics. Nope, I don't accept that. Welcome to bad politics. As long as we accept it, it won't change. So, as an individual, I have a choice to speak out against it. It starts there... I don't like to just speak like there's no alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, J.R. said: Nobody's saying there aren't quality people out there with good intentions but the Liberal party is not run by it's leader. At best, they enjoy some modicum of input. How is the Green party any different? they have a base, they vote in candidates, they run on a platform. If the Green-D-P manages to get big money out of politics, the next Liberal leader isn't going to be held to corporate donations, she or he can be free to develop an entirely new platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, debluvscanucks said: Nope, I don't accept that. Welcome to bad politics. As long as we accept it, it won't change. So, as an individual, I have a choice to speak out against it. It starts there... Oh it's certainly 'bad politics', if that's the label you choose to give it. That doesn't change that it's reality though. A new 'leader' in the current reality is simply slapping a new sticker over the same old bag of tricks. "All New!! (packaging)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: How is the Green party any different? they have a base, they vote in candidates, they run on a platform. If the Green-D-P manages to get big money out of politics, the next Liberal leader isn't going to be held to corporate donations, she or he can be free to develop an entirely new platform. The Green party is different because you're talking about the Green Party and not Weaver. Kind of my point. And as nice as it is to 'ban corporate donations' etc. Those people will still find ways to get the Liberals money in return for favourable policies. Whether that's having their wives or mothers make 'personal' donations or however they want to do it. They'll find a loop hole to exploit. Frankly it's more important for headlines and notoriety than it is in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 48 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Thanks for posting that. Once you see whats already sitting in our harbour area that has literally no protection it gets scary. As far as the port location, it makes so much more sense for it to be in Burnaby vs. a pristine north coast fjord, at least to me. What I mean is, I think somewhere in Delta or Ladner area makes more sense. There's little infrastructure there, but we could build it. Risks could be lowered with a deeper port closer to open water. With the current plan, not only are bridges navigational hazards, there is the low tides to deal with as well. One or two pilots having a bad day could spell disaster, because the room for error is so small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, J.R. said: The Green party is different because you're talking about the Green Party and not Weaver. Kind of my point. And as nice as it is to 'ban corporate donations' etc. Those people will still find ways to get the Liberals money in return for favourable policies. Whether that's having their wives or mothers make 'personal' donations or however they want to do it. They'll find a loop hole to exploit. Frankly it's more important for headlines and notoriety than it is in reality. Or its people like me that want to see BC continue to increase exports and manufacturing. I don't think thats a bad thing, do you? Weaver is the green party. You could ask 100 people to name any other BC green candidate and I bet you don't find more than 1 or 2. Of course the leader matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prix57 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, S'all Good Man said: touche I've moved on. Hopefully we can get in a Liberal leader thats you know, actually a Liberal. The BC Liberals are not a true liberal party as they are centre-right with Conservative ideology. Funny how they still keep "liberal" in the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Or its people like me that want to see BC continue to increase exports and manufacturing. I don't think thats a bad thing, do you? Weaver is the green party. You could ask 100 people to name any other BC green candidate and I bet you don't find more than 1 or 2. Of course the leader matters. 'People like you' are already donating. As a public face? Absolutely. That's their main role. Face of the party, sell the party, debate well for the party, smile for photo ops. Green party is also a hell of a lot smaller than the Liberals. Who do you think has more sway/influence in their respective parties? The guy leading the 3 seat, grass roots party with no corporate donors and roughly $2.5m donations from individuals or the lady with 42 other party members with their own agendas, $116m of largely corporate donors and a near 20 year history of power, deals and back scratching to consider before making a move? Follow the money. So yeah, Weaver probably has a touch more influence on the direction of the Greens than Christy does with the Liberal party. Remember who elects leaders of parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, J.R. said: As a public face? Absolutely. That's their main role. Face of the party, sell the party, debate well for the party, smile for photo ops. Green party is also a hell of a lot smaller than the Liberals. Who do you think has more sway/influence in their respective parties? The guy leading the 3 seat, grass roots party with no corporate donors and roughly $2.5m donations from individuals or the lady with 42 other party members with their own agendas, $116m of largely corporate donors and a near 20 year history of power, deals and back scratching to consider before making a move? Follow the money. So yeah, Weaver probably has a touch more influence on the direction of the Green's than Christy does with the Liberal party. right, but with corporate and union $ out of the picture, why not a renewed Liberal party under someone else? you're discounting the possibility but if Weaver and the Greens can do it so can someone else. We could even see an actual Liberal party and a PC party after this, given that the current version is really a blend of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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