The expansion formula

[Phat Fingers]

Been a while since I made a thread, but after posting this idea in a few threads, I realized it could be a okay topic... Hopefully.

 

One of the things that was hopefully on the organizations radar this season was how to take advantage of a one off event like the expansion draft.  I have been banging the drum that this is the most important part of the year for JB.  First, don't give up any real assets.  We cannot lose good pieces when we have so few.  Second to take advantage of some of the rich teams heavily exposed to the expansion draft.  Before Trymakin left, my idea was to flip Hutton for some good returns due to his exemption, but that is now off the table.  

 

We are still in a fairly unique situation in regards to this draft and how we can capitalize on other teams exposed players by trade prior to the draft, simply put, our exposed offer and our bottom end protected players are not nearly as good as many other clubs.  

 

At first my idea was to flip a eligible player and a protected player for one much better eligible player, but I realized that would playing the market too high, we don't need to give up all that much.  

 

We could flip an eligible player and a pick for another teams much better player and just expose another lower end player at the draft.  

 

Take Slifberg (sp?) as compared to Baer for example.  I think in a pre expansion draft market we would get laughed at for proposing a deal like a 2nd and Baer for Silfberg, or just a second for Slifberg (Ducks option)  No way Anahiem takes that deal, but since they have to expose him and lose him for nothing that pick is worth a lot more than it other wise would be.  

 

Fluery in Pitsburg  for example could be had for Markstrom and a 3rd potentially, a deal like that would mean not resigning Miller but upgrading in goal.  Bachman would be our expansion eligible goalie and we would protect who ever we traded for.  

 

Where we lack the wiggle room for a deal is a defence.  While there is better d men than Sbisa that will be exposed, we would have to trade two defenders before the draft to make this formula work.  

 

But if JB had a deal for Tanev involving a pick the could be done prior to the expansion draft, say to Zona along with another player that can be exposed, like Biega, Pedan or Grenier then that trade could happen prior to expansion draft.  Zona actually needs players that qualify for the expansion draft as they don't currently have enough.  

 

It is a unique one off situation that is only possible for a team rebuilding take advantage of.  

 

Thoughts?  Flame away.

 

 

EmW

 

 

[Rocksterh8]

Its a good avenue to explore, but I don't think Benning is smart enough to take advantage of something like this. 

[coryberg]

28 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

 like a 2nd and Baer for Silfberg, or just a second for Slifberg (Ducks option)

 

[Hortankin]

Just now, Rocksterh8 said:

just reaffirms my point.

What point is that?

[VIC_CITY]

kid

6 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said:

just reaffirms my point.

 

3 minutes ago, Hortankin said:

What point is that?

Give it a rest guys.

 

I think OP is actually onto something here. I would be willing to trade one of our protected players (and a sweetener) for another teams unprotected player. Sounds like a pretty good opportunity to upgrade at a reduced rate.  

 

I wish the NHL would just go ahead and release every team's list of unprotected players. Doesn't look like that's going to happen though.

[VIC_CITY]

I stand corrected.

 

Dan Rosen‏Verified account @drosennhl Mar 29

BREAKING: Protected and available player lists for the Vegas expansion draft WILL be made public and released likely on June 18, per NHL.

[Phat Fingers]

47 minutes ago, coryberg said:

 

Essentially it is an exchange of exposed players.  Anaheim will only end up with the 2nd of Baer is selected. 

 

 

Maybe they would prefer to expose a different player on their own roster for salary reasons.  

[VIC_CITY]

Just looking through some potentially unprotected players. Jakob Silfverberg probably tops the list. I can't see any other players worth trading a guy like Baertschi for. But I imagine there will be a bit of a bidding war for Silfverberg. There's likely to be a few teams protecting a forward that isn't as valuable as Jakob. Definitely worth look into.

 

However, he's 2 years older than Baertschi and given where we are in our rebuild, we may be better served holding onto Sven.

 

 

[coolboarder]

1 hour ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Been a while since I made a thread, but after posting this idea in a few threads, I realized it could be a okay topic... Hopefully.

 

One of the things that was hopefully on the organizations radar this season was how to take advantage of a one off event like the expansion draft.  I have been banging the drum that this is the most important part of the year for JB.  First, don't give up any real assets.  We cannot lose good pieces when we have so few.  Second to take advantage of some of the rich teams heavily exposed to the expansion draft.  Before Trymakin left, my idea was to flip Hutton for some good returns due to his exemption, but that is now off the table.  

 

We are still in a fairly unique situation in regards to this draft and how we can capitalize on other teams exposed players by trade prior to the draft, simply put, our exposed offer and our bottom end protected players are not nearly as good as many other clubs.  

 

At first my idea was to flip a eligible player and a protected player for one much better eligible player, but I realized that would playing the market too high, we don't need to give up all that much.  

 

We could flip an eligible player and a pick for another teams much better player and just expose another lower end player at the draft.  

 

Take Slifberg (sp?) as compared to Baer for example.  I think in a pre expansion draft market we would get laughed at for proposing a deal like a 2nd and Baer for Silfberg, or just a second for Slifberg (Ducks option)  No way Anahiem takes that deal, but since they have to expose him and lose him for nothing that pick is worth a lot more than it other wise would be.  

 

Fluery in Pitsburg  for example could be had for Markstrom and a 3rd potentially, a deal like that would mean not resigning Miller but upgrading in goal.  Bachman would be our expansion eligible goalie and we would protect who ever we traded for.  

 

Where we lack the wiggle room for a deal is a defence.  While there is better d men than Sbisa that will be exposed, we would have to trade two defenders before the draft to make this formula work.  

 

But if JB had a deal for Tanev involving a pick the could be done prior to the expansion draft, say to Zona along with another player that can be exposed, like Biega, Pedan or Grenier then that trade could happen prior to expansion draft.  Zona actually needs players that qualify for the expansion draft as they don't currently have enough.  

 

It is a unique one off situation that is only possible for a team rebuilding take advantage of.  

 

Thoughts?  Flame away.

 

 

EmW

 

 

It never hurts to try and negotiate for this one but if other teams try that idea, they might be able to outbid us.  There are other teams are in need for goaltender like Fleury and they may be able to make that deal with Dallas, or any other team that is set in everything except for goaltender so they might and will be able to make better trade than us.   Also, try to do some deal with other teams that is exposing but could make a deal for Edler for a better D and a pick.   If there are better forwards to be found than our forward, we could do deals to get what we want but we are rebuilding and it might be difficult to do because they might ask for 1st or 2nd year exemptions as a part of the deal.   Tanev is our bargaining chip but the issue here is that our D is not ready to handle this alone without him as evidenced by last season injury.   If I would trade away with one of our D, it will be Edler for sure or expose him directly on expansion draft.  Think about this, if Pittsburgh deals one of their goaltender, they might have to expose others that they might want to keep so who knows that they may do a deal with Vegas not to touch one of their goaltender.   It all depends on which deal is better.  

[Team Bagues]

I have heard a few times that Anaheim needs to expose Silfverberg.

Why is that? I'm trying to think of better forwards that they'd keep instead of him, outside of Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, and Rackell.

[Baggins]

Well this thread went in the crapper pretty quick.

[higgyfan]

5 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said:

 I could write a whole page of bad mistakes since he's been GM of the Canucks.

So why don't you go off and do that.  Quit hijacking this thread.

 

OP:  You have come up with a creative idea.  Well done.  It will be interesting to see the list of unprotected players when it comes out.  There could be a good chance for a low cost upgrade.

[Goal:thecup]

1 minute ago, Rocksterh8 said:

I'm not trolling at all. I made a statement saying I believe JB is not smart enough to take any advantage of this opportunity because looking at his past mistakes tells me he will not explore it. Then I get Sh*t on because I made a statement I truly believe, thats BS! I've been a Canucks fan prob longer than most on here, just because I don't believe in their GM doesn't mean I'm a troll.

No, but calling Jim Benning "their GM" does.

[qwijibo]

The thing is. Those clubs also have the option of dealing directly with Vegas. They can make a deal to protect those players and not get bent over a barrel doing it.  Because they have that option I don't think you're going to land a great young player for a marginal price here. 

[mll]

53 minutes ago, Team Bagues said:

I have heard a few times that Anaheim needs to expose Silfverberg.

Why is that? I'm trying to think of better forwards that they'd keep instead of him, outside of Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, and Rackell.

I thought their plan was

D: Fowler, Lindholm, Vatanen, Manson - trade one for a F so 3 are protected.  Their choice seems to be Drouin or Landeskog.   Colorado and Tampa were scouting the Ducks at the TDL.

Bieksa either he waives or gets bought out - he's 35.  

F:  New F, Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, Rakell, Silfverberg, ?

[theminister]

14 minutes ago, mll said:

I thought their plan was

D: Fowler, Lindholm, Vatanen, Manson - trade one for a F so 3 are protected.  Their choice seems to be Drouin or Landeskog.   Colorado and Tampa were scouting the Ducks at the TDL.

Bieksa either he waives or gets bought out - he's 35.  

F:  New F, Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, Rakell, Silfverberg, ?

They need to protect Bieksa because he has a NMC, unless he waives it which I doubt. He won't be bought out imo.

 

But essentially, yes. They will likely go 8-1 rather than 7-3-1 unless they choose to deal a D. Manson will get exposed regardless.

 

If they do a deal like Vatanen for Drouin then they would be able to protect a full compliment of forwards.

 

[mll]

7 minutes ago, theminister said:

They need to protect Bieksa because he has a NMC, unless he waives it which I doubt. He won't be bought out imo.

 

But essentially, yes. They will likely go 8-1 rather than 7-3-1 unless they choose to deal a D. Manson will get exposed regardless.

 

If they do a deal like Vatanen for Drouin then they would be able to protect a full compliment of forwards.

 

Word is either Bieksa waives or they are buying him out.

[theminister]

13 minutes ago, mll said:

Word is either Bieksa waives or they are buying him out.

Word from where?

[lmm]

nvm

[chickenman92]

I think we'll see Vegas making deals with teams more so than teams dealing with each other to get a return on X or Y player. 

 

Take Vancouver,. Guessing they protect Hank, Danny, Horvat, Eriksson, Baertschi, Granlund, Edler, Tanev, Gudbranson and Markstrom, and one of Gaunce, Sutter or Boucher. For argument sake, let's say they protect Boucher. 

 

So Vegas has basically Sibsa, Beiga, Sutter and Gaunce to pick from. Vegas decides they will take Sutter. 

 

Vancouver doesn't want to lose Sutter. After all, they locked him up to that big deal and he's a solid centre, that plays in their top-9 and kills penalties. And if they are to lose him they'd like something in return. 

 

So Jim calls up George and makes a deal. Either take one of Gaunce Beiga or Sbisa and we'll toss in a 3rd rd pick for compensation because you didn't take Sutter OR, take Sutter and we'll trade you a 2nd rd pick to re-acquire him.

 

I think the latter is what we will see happen the most. I think in preparation for the expansion draft teams held on to their draft picks at the deadline so that they could re-acquire their players.