J.I.A.H.N Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Just looking to see how close we are to having a great young team.....in reality it won't quite work this way but here it goes These trades are done between the Expasion Draft and the Entry Draft....assuming be loose Gaunce. Signings to be done July 1st Trade #1 Tanev + Van's 2017 - 1st (5th OA) for Buffalo's 1st 8th OA + A. Nylander.................draft Timothy Liljegren (RHD) or Martin Necas (C) Trade #2 Brandon Sutter + Van's 2017 - 2nd (33 OA) for Calgary's 2017 1st (16th OA)..........draft Elais Petterson or Callan Foote (D) Trade #3 Edler + Van's 2017 - 3rd (65 OA) for NY Ranger's 2017 1st (21st OA)......................draft Ryan Poehling (C) or Nicolas Hague (D) Signing #1 Karl Alzner to 4 years at $6,500,000 contract to replace Edler Signing #2 Sam Gagner to 3 years at $1,500,000 contract per year to replace Sutter A. Nylander H.Sedin Goldobin Spare ............D. Sedin Baertschi Horvat Broeser Granlund Gagner Eriksson Dalhlen Gaudette Virtanen Alzner Stecher Demko Hutton Gudbranson Markstrom Joulevi Sbsisa McEneny Biega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: Just looking to see how close we are to having a great young team.....in reality it won't quite work this way but here it goes These trades are done between the Expasion Draft and the Entry Draft....assuming be loose Gaunce. Signings to be done July 1st Trade #1 Tanev + Van's 2017 - 1st (5th OA) for Buffalo's 1st 8th OA + A. Nylander.................draft Timothy Liljegren (RHD) or Martin Necas (C) Trade #2 Brandon Sutter + Van's 2017 - 2nd (33 OA) for Calgary's 2017 1st (16th OA)..........draft Elais Petterson or Callan Foote (D) Trade #3 Edler + Van's 2017 - 3rd (65 OA) for NY Ranger's 2017 1st (21st OA)......................draft Ryan Poehling (C) or Nicolas Hague (D) Signing #1 Karl Alzner to 4 years at $6,500,000 contract to replace Edler Signing #2 Sam Gagner to 3 years at $1,500,000 contract per year to replace Sutter A. Nylander H.Sedin Goldobin Spare ............D. Sedin Baertschi Horvat Broser Granlund Gagner Eriksson Dalhlen Gaudette Virtanen Alzner Stecher Demko Hutton Gunbranson Markstrom Joulevi Sbsisa McEneny Biega So we drop 3 spots get rid of our best trade chip for an unproven player? Alzner for 6.5 mill when Edler is better and makes like 5 mill. Gaudette is in college next year and you want Dank as our 13th forward in place of a guy who has never even been in the Nhl? If I'm trading Sutter I'm not replacing him with a guy who is more of A top 6 guy. And you did hear the clip where Hague dreams of putting on A leafs jersey no thanks. Also not to be the grammar police but you spelt Guddy wrong and brock How about Tanev, Sutter and a cash dump for Jesse pulliarvi and the oilers first. Keep Edler until at least the TDL give him fewer minutes watch his game round back into form and then maybe trade him. As for UFA D If we trade one or two I would look at MDZ and Cody Franson both would come cheap both can play the pp I'll take Edler over Alzner any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I will say Gagner is an interesting player had a good year with CBJ. I don't think he signs for anything less than 3 mill tho IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeydownUnder Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, bp79 said: So we drop 3 spots get rid of our best trade chip for an unproven player? Alzner for 6.5 mill when Edler is better and makes like 5 mill. Gaudette is in college next year and you want Dank as our 13th forward in place of a guy who has never even been in the Nhl? If I'm trading Sutter I'm not replacing him with a guy who is more of A top 6 guy. And you did hear the clip where Hague dreams of putting on A leafs jersey no thanks. Also not to be the grammar police but you spelt Guddy wrong and brock How about Tanev, Sutter and a cash dump for Jesse pulliarvi and the oilers first. Keep Edler until at least the TDL give him fewer minutes watch his game round back into form and then maybe trade him. As for UFA D If we trade one or two I would look at MDZ and Cody Franson both would come cheap both can play the pp I'll take Edler over Alzner any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I will say Gagner is an interesting player had a good year with CBJ. I don't think he signs for anything less than 3 mill tho IMO Edler is not better than Alzner and Elder is far more injury prone and 3 years older. Alzner plays a similar game to Tanev. He puts up even less points than Tanev but is good at keeping the puck out of the net. Also if you think Tanev, Sutter and a cash dump is going to get you pulliarvi and a first you are dreaming. Tanev gets you a first and a small add, sutter is little to no value and a cash dump imply's negative value. That being said I agree it is probably wise to hold onto Edler until the trade deadline. He'll be worth far more to a contender then than at the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 One thing's certain..I'd LOVE to get healthy returns for Tanev & Edler, then turn around & sign Alzner. Goin heavy on the hometown boys, & would speed up the rebuild smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 9 minutes ago, HockeydownUnder said: Edler is not better than Alzner and Elder is far more injury prone and 3 years older. Alzner plays a similar game to Tanev. He puts up even less points than Tanev but is good at keeping the puck out of the net. Also if you think Tanev, Sutter and a cash dump is going to get you pulliarvi and a first you are dreaming. Tanev gets you a first and a small add, sutter is little to no value and a cash dump imply's negative value. That being said I agree it is probably wise to hold onto Edler until the trade deadline. He'll be worth far more to a contender then than at the draft. Sutter had 17 goals on one wrist and was over 50% on faceoffs. Game 5 never happens if the oilers had a guy like that. when I said cash dump I meant we take one back which creates positive value.Ie allows the Oilers more flexibility to sign Mcdavid Drai Larson etc etc . Tanev Sutter maybe add a 2nd plus taking on a cap dump is way more than fair for 2 players who have done nothing in the NHl People get way to hung up on where someone was drafted. The oilers do not need more offence they need a 3rd line centre and a shutdown D and some cap relief. My proposal checks all 3. And I'm just curious what gives Sutter negative value? Last time I checked 20 goal scorers who can win most faceoffs and shut down top lines don't grow on trees. Not trying to start an argument just fed up with people always using Edler and Sutter as whipping boys when clearly they are not especially SutterAll I ask for are facts to back up your claim cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeydownUnder Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 hours ago, bp79 said: Sutter had 17 goals on one wrist and was over 50% on faceoffs. Game 5 never happens if the oilers had a guy like that. when I said cash dump I meant we take one back which creates positive value.Ie allows the Oilers more flexibility to sign Mcdavid Drai Larson etc etc . Tanev Sutter maybe add a 2nd plus taking on a cap dump is way more than fair for 2 players who have done nothing in the NHl People get way to hung up on where someone was drafted. The oilers do not need more offence they need a 3rd line centre and a shutdown D and some cap relief. My proposal checks all 3. And I'm just curious what gives Sutter negative value? Last time I checked 20 goal scorers who can win most faceoffs and shut down top lines don't grow on trees. Not trying to start an argument just fed up with people always using Edler and Sutter as whipping boys when clearly they are not especially SutterAll I ask for are facts to back up your claim cheers The Oilers are going to need to shed cap so they are going to trade for 2 players each making over 4 million for several years and a cash dump? That makes absolutely no sense. Sutter was given 1st power play time throughout most of the year yet only came up with 34 points. He's had injury issues and he's signed for 4 more years at 4.375 a year. For a 3rd line center that is too much, especially for a team like Edmonton who's going to have a cap crunch. Edmonton also already has Larson who is a shut down defensemen that is better than Tanev. In fact what they need is impactful players on ecl contracts. Pool party is better than any prospect the canucks have in their system and that's Boeser included. The idea you think we'd get a first on top of that is mind boggling. If Edmonton turned around and said we'll give you David Desharnais, Andrej Sekera, and Benoit Pouliot for Boeser and a 1st would you say yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, HockeydownUnder said: The Oilers are going to need to shed cap so they are going to trade for 2 players each making over 4 million for several years and a cash dump? That makes absolutely no sense. Sutter was given 1st power play time throughout most of the year yet only came up with 34 points. He's had injury issues and he's signed for 4 more years at 4.375 a year. For a 3rd line center that is too much, especially for a team like Edmonton who's going to have a cap crunch. Edmonton also already has Larson who is a shut down defensemen that is better than Tanev. In fact what they need is impactful players on ecl contracts. Pool party is better than any prospect the canucks have in their system and that's Boeser included. The idea you think we'd get a first on top of that is mind boggling. If Edmonton turned around and said we'll give you David Desharnais, Andrej Sekera, and Benoit Pouliot for Boeser and a 1st would you say yes? Again we are the ones taking back the cash dump. 34 points for a 3rd line centre on the worst pp is pretty good. If he was healthy I'm sure he would be closer to the 5o point range. Larson is not better than Tanev and even if he was they need a shutdown RHD to play with Klefbom. JP had 8 goals in 58 games and given Edmonton's need for better D and cap room and the players you mentioned for Brock and our 1st is an absolute joke. Too use them clearly shows your being condescending since you can't come up with a real proposal So to recap you are gonna say that JP who put up similar numbers to Jake in his rookie year and was sent to the AHL a late first round pick and dumping say fayne i think he makes around 5 not quite sure, but that washes out Sutter leaving only Tanev. You can say Larson is better still doesn't change the fact the oiler were outshot badly all year. Something Tanev just happens to specialise in. Faceoffs the Oilers were terrible all year. Hmm, Sutter seems like he might help. I also added CBJs 2nd in my proposal as well. Please tell me this What makes the oilers better. Tanev and Sutter or A guy who proly won't be on the team next year or if he is he will be buried on the 4th line. And a pick that will not if ever help[ for 3-4 years. Btw RNH makes 6 mill as a 3rd line centre A lot more than Sutter and a lot worse for that role. With us taking on 4-6 mill in a cap dump how does that not make sense to youThey are going to have to find a RHD somehow and I can guarantee you it won't be for someone as cheap as tanev and as good as him. Again please explain how 17 goals on a $&!# team playing on a $&!# pp and mostly with at least one $&!# winger 5x5 explains how Sutter sucks. And please do your homework you will find many 3rd line centres who put up inferior numbers than Sutter. Who can also slide into the top 6 no problem. Burr makes the same as him. I could name so many more but ill let you do the work. So far all I take from your posts is that you don't seem to read them completely (I mentioned the cap dump was us taking back salary twice ) and 2 you don't really have any points just the usual opinion without fact to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 minute ago, bp79 said: Again we are the ones taking back the cash dump. 34 points for a 3rd line centre on the worst pp is pretty good. If he was healthy I'm sure he would be closer to the 5o point range. Larson is not better than Tanev and even if he was they need a shutdown RHD to play with Klefbom. JP had 8 goals in 58 games and given Edmonton's need for better D and cap room and the players you mentioned for Brock and our 1st is an absolute joke. Too use them clearly shows your being condescending since you can't come up with a real proposal So to recap you are gonna say that JP who put up similar numbers to Jake in his rookie year and was sent to the AHL a late first round pick and dumping say fayne i think he makes around 5 not quite sure, but that washes out Sutter leaving only Tanev. You can say Larson is better still doesn't change the fact the oiler were outshot badly all year. Something Tanev just happens to specialise in. Faceoffs the Oilers were terrible all year. Hmm, Sutter seems like he might help. I also added CBJs 2nd in my proposal as well. Please tell me this What makes the oilers better. Tanev and Sutter or A guy who proly won't be on the team next year or if he is he will be buried on the 4th line. And a pick that will not if ever help[ for 3-4 years. Btw RNH makes 6 mill as a 3rd line centre A lot more than Sutter and a lot worse for that role. With us taking on 4-6 mill in a cap dump how does that not make sense to youThey are going to have to find a RHD somehow and I can guarantee you it won't be for someone as cheap as tanev and as good as him. Again please explain how 17 goals on a $&!# team playing on a $&!# pp and mostly with at least one $&!# winger 5x5 explains how Sutter sucks. And please do your homework you will find many 3rd line centres who put up inferior numbers than Sutter. Who can also slide into the top 6 no problem. Burr makes the same as him. I could name so many more but ill let you do the work. So far all I take from your posts is that you don't seem to read them completely (I mentioned the cap dump was us taking back salary twice ) and 2 you don't really have any points just the usual opinion without fact to back it up. David Desharnais, Andrej Sekera, and Benoit Pouliot for Boeser and a 1st would you say yes? Sorry, I can't believe you actually compared that to Tanev Sutter A 2nd and A cash dump. If I could use multiple minus they would all be on you terrible just terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 6 hours ago, bp79 said: So we drop 3 spots get rid of our best trade chip for an unproven player? WE DROP 3 SPOTS BECAUSE A. NYLANDER IS RATED A VERY HIGH PROSPECT....2ND NOT IN THE NHL I BELIEVE Alzner for 6.5 mill when Edler is better and makes like 5 mill. ALZNER HAS A VERY GOOD +/-, IS 3 YRS YOUNGER, DOES'NT BREAK, IS OVER PAID TO BE ABLE TO MOVE HIM WHILE HE IS STILL YOUNG WITHOUT A NTC Gaudette is in college next year and you want Dank as our 13th forward in place of a guy who has never even been in the Nhl? DANNY IS LEFT OUT TO ILLISTRATE THE YOUTH, AND DANNY IS REALLY SHOWING HIS AGE AND HAVING A TOUGH TIME CONTRIBUTING IMO If I'm trading Sutter I'm not replacing him with a guy who is more of A top 6 guy. THIS PROPOSALWAS ABOUT THE FUTURE, IF WE COULD FIND A UFA TO REPLACE SHORT TERM, IM GOOD WITH THAT And you did hear the clip where Hague dreams of putting on A leafs jersey no thanks. YES AND IF YOU ASK ALOT OF THESE KIDS THEIR FAVORITE TEAM YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT MOST DON'T WISH TO PLAY ON THE CANUCKS Also not to be the grammar police but you spelt Guddy wrong and brock GUILTY AS CHARGED...I CORRECTED THESPELLING ...THANKS....IT WAS DONE LATE AND QUICKLY How about Tanev, Sutter and a cash dump for Jesse pulliarvi and the oilers first. I DONT WANT TO GIVE THE OILERS ANYTHING THAT MIGHT COME BACK AND BITE US, NOT THAT THEY WOULD TAKE YOU OFFER Keep Edler until at least the TDL give him fewer minutes watch his game round back into form and then maybe trade him. As for UFA D If we trade one or two I would look at MDZ and Cody Franson both would come cheap both can play the pp I'll take Edler over Alzner any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I will say Gagner is an interesting player had a good year with CBJ. I don't think he signs for anything less than 3 mill tho IMO MAYBE HE GETS 2 BUT NOT 3 MILLION Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Danny as a scratch lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 What really jumped out at me was "Spare...D. Sedin". lol I like the trade ideas, but not sure the other teams would go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 9 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: A. Nylander H.Sedin Goldobin Spare ............D. Sedin Baertschi Horvat Broeser Granlund Gagner Eriksson Dalhlen Gaudette Virtanen Alzner Stecher Demko Hutton Gudbranson Markstrom Joulevi Sbsisa McEneny Biega This lineup is stupid. Lets put the guy making 7 mil a year as our 13th forward. Basically 3 rookies on our 4th line. Nylander and Goldobin on our top line with Hank why exactly????? Now to the trades. BUF isn't looking for a guy like Tanev. Plus why would they want to get rid of Nylander? And moving up 3 spots in this draft isn't exactly a big deal. Players at #8 will be just as good as #5. CGY isn't looking for a guy like Sutter either..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Adarsh Sant said: This lineup is stupid. Lets put the guy making 7 mil a year as our 13th forward. Basically 3 rookies on our 4th line. Nylander and Goldobin on our top line with Hank why exactly????? Now to the trades. BUF isn't looking for a guy like Tanev. Plus why would they want to get rid of Nylander? And moving up 3 spots in this draft isn't exactly a big deal. Players at #8 will be just as good as #5. CGY isn't looking for a guy like Sutter either..... Take a pill......this is a snap shot into our future more than our line up.......I think most on here understand that It illustrates the potential of where players may be.......or the huge improvement in our prospects It illustrates what we could pick, and still upgrade players......Danny is old my friend, whether he plays 1st line or not, he is slow.....just for illistrations sake, both Nylander and Goldy are top end fast Calgary is looking for players like Sutter, because most teams are.........CDC may not think he does, but others do And although I agree with you that there is not much difference between # 5 and # 8..........you do not know who Buffalo wants to target...5th gives them a bigger choice So again, relax and think of the possibilities.....god you sound like Bettman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Take a pill......this is a snap shot into our future more than our line up.......I think most on here understand that It illustrates the potential of where players may be.......or the huge improvement in our prospects It illustrates what we could pick, and still upgrade players......Danny is old my friend, whether he plays 1st line or not, he is slow.....just for illistrations sake, both Nylander and Goldy are top end fast Calgary is looking for players like Sutter, because most teams are.........CDC may not think he does, but others do And although I agree with you that there is not much difference between # 5 and # 8..........you do not know who Buffalo wants to target...5th gives them a bigger choice So again, relax and think of the possibilities.....god you sound like Bettman I agree Sutter is valuable. So is Tanev. And so is a cash dump to a team like the oilers. Curious does that trade I proposed with JP and the 1st Make the oilers better now? The answer is yes. IMO since they now are a playoff team there gonna have to start parting ways with players who may or may not end up better than who they traderd for. Just like the hall deal. They got bent over but filled a position they needed to be filled. So answer truthfully does Tanev Sutter not make them a better team for at least the next 3-4 years. Especially when the one thing they don't need is offence? If they had Sutter and Tanev in game 5 they win no question. You're not going to get a great D and a pretty good 3rd line guy who scored 17 goals and had 34 points while injured all year and usually had at least one crap winger on his line for peanuts. JP didn't exactly live up to the hype. And the oilers first is going to be 20 or higher I believe The salary dump helps them and if need be throw in CBJs 2nd. Ask any oiler fan what they want this offsreason. Most will tell you A shutdown RHD to play with klefbom And A real 3rd line centre who can score and win draws. Sounds like a pretty good fit to me Who cares where JP was drafted it's about what the oilers need to put them over the hump. meanwhile, we add tp our already deepening prospect pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeydownUnder Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 23 hours ago, bp79 said: Again we are the ones taking back the cash dump. 34 points for a 3rd line centre on the worst pp is pretty good. If he was healthy I'm sure he would be closer to the 5o point range. Larson is not better than Tanev and even if he was they need a shutdown RHD to play with Klefbom. JP had 8 goals in 58 games and given Edmonton's need for better D and cap room and the players you mentioned for Brock and our 1st is an absolute joke. Too use them clearly shows your being condescending since you can't come up with a real proposal So to recap you are gonna say that JP who put up similar numbers to Jake in his rookie year and was sent to the AHL a late first round pick and dumping say fayne i think he makes around 5 not quite sure, but that washes out Sutter leaving only Tanev. You can say Larson is better still doesn't change the fact the oiler were outshot badly all year. Something Tanev just happens to specialise in. Faceoffs the Oilers were terrible all year. Hmm, Sutter seems like he might help. I also added CBJs 2nd in my proposal as well. Please tell me this What makes the oilers better. Tanev and Sutter or A guy who proly won't be on the team next year or if he is he will be buried on the 4th line. And a pick that will not if ever help[ for 3-4 years. Btw RNH makes 6 mill as a 3rd line centre A lot more than Sutter and a lot worse for that role. With us taking on 4-6 mill in a cap dump how does that not make sense to youThey are going to have to find a RHD somehow and I can guarantee you it won't be for someone as cheap as tanev and as good as him. Again please explain how 17 goals on a $&!# team playing on a $&!# pp and mostly with at least one $&!# winger 5x5 explains how Sutter sucks. And please do your homework you will find many 3rd line centres who put up inferior numbers than Sutter. Who can also slide into the top 6 no problem. Burr makes the same as him. I could name so many more but ill let you do the work. So far all I take from your posts is that you don't seem to read them completely (I mentioned the cap dump was us taking back salary twice ) and 2 you don't really have any points just the usual opinion without fact to back it up. How about Tanev, Sutter and a cash dump for Jesse pulliarvi and the oilers first. That was the exact wording from your first post. I'm not wasting my breath on you. Tanev is a good defensemen but if you think he's better than Larson there is no use discussing anything with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 7 hours ago, HockeydownUnder said: How about Tanev, Sutter and a cash dump for Jesse pulliarvi and the oilers first. That was the exact wording from your first post. I'm not wasting my breath on you. Tanev is a good defensemen but if you think he's better than Larson there is no use discussing anything with you yes, exactly Tanev Sutter and a cash dump meaning we take on a cash dump. And pretty sure I even amended my proposal to add a 2nd and clarify that we would take on the cash dump. Pretty mature I like player x more than player y you disagree so that means you can't have a convo or a debate you are pretty mature dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeydownUnder Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I give the edge slightly to larsson for durability and his physical play compared to Tanev. Larsson is much younger and on an even better contract. Value wise it isn't even close. Tanev is redundant for the oilers. Sutter is still in my mind too expensive. The oilers need cap room. What is your proposal then? Tanev Sutter for pool party and say Eberle? Because even taking Eberle back means they just gave up a 6 million dollar contract to take on nearly 9 million in contracts. They need players on ecl contracts that can produce. They aren't giving up one of the nhl top prospects for a 3rd line center and a 2-3 defensemen. And comparing pool party to Virtanen is a joke. Virtanen may one day be a serviceable second liner but pool party has first line potential. They'd be better off keeping Rnh and finding a cheap third line center. Sam Gagner, Brian Boyle and Nick Bonino are all free agents next season that will have a lower cap hit than Sutter that can produce at his level without giving up assets. Trades have to make sense for both teams and your proposal doesn't make sense for the Oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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