(Rumour) Stars open to moving No. 3 pick

[DeNiro]

2 minutes ago, J.R. said:

How about for this rebuilding team to get two prospects it covets. I'd be pretty happy to come out of this draft with both say Mittelstadt and Liljegren at 3 and 5.

I personally don't think the price of getting the 3rd to draft Mittelstadt would be worth it. And I really like Mittelstadt.

 

If we're making a move like that it has to be for a clear cut number 1 center.

 

If Mittelstadt is the guy they want, I'd rather just hope Dallas and Colorado take Vilardi and/or Heiskanen.

[missioncanucksfan]

if I'm Benning, I would be on the phone to Nill saying this....

 

"Do you see how good my guy Edler is playing with your D Klingberg?"

 

"You wanna see 82 games of that?"

 

"Hows about Edler for your 3rd overall and you can send that Niemi guy our way."

 

"Salaries match up so theres that too...."

[VanGnome]

14 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

The only way it makes sense to acquire the 3rd is if Benning knows he can use it in a package to get the 2nd overall from Philly.

That's a good point.

 

Ship out Tanev for 3rd and flip 3rd and 5th for 1st/2nd overall + 2nd round pick?

 

That would give us a legit prospect that can play next year plus 3 2nds to stock the cupboards

[aGENT]

16 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

I personally don't think the price of getting the 3rd to draft Mittelstadt would be worth it. And I really like Mittelstadt.

 

If we're making a move like that it has to be for a clear cut number 1 center.

 

If Mittelstadt is the guy they want, I'd rather just hope Dallas and Colorado take Vilardi and/or Heiskanen.

Yeah, why would we want first pick of the next group of C's and a second high rated (D?) prospect? 

 

And due to the draft being pretty flat 3-10+, I think this year could actually be quite reasonable to acquire the 3rd pick. 

 

 

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, J.R. said:

Yeah, why would we want first pick of the next group of C's and a second high rated (D?) prospect? 

 

And due to the draft being pretty flat 3-10+, I think this year could actually be quite reasonable to acquire the 3rd pick. 

 

 

At the cost of Tanev plus a top prospect?

 

No thanks. There will be good centers available at our pick.

[ynwa]

47 minutes ago, J.R. said:

How about for this rebuilding team to get two prospects it covets. I'd be pretty happy to come out of this draft with both say Mittelstadt and Liljegren at 3 and 5.

Good logic, and in some draft years I would agree, the problem I have with it is that this year I'm not convinced that any of the top prospects will develop into bona fide NHL top six players. So to trade away an established player on the off-chance would be a bit risky. The two players you mention may become superstars, but they could just as easily become invisible.

[aGENT]

28 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

At the cost of Tanev plus a top prospect?

 

No thanks. There will be good centers available at our pick.

Who said anything about a top prospect?

 

5 minutes ago, ynwa said:

Good logic, and in some draft years I would agree, the problem I have with it is that this year I'm not convinced that any of the top prospects will develop into bona fide NHL top six players. So to trade away an established player on the off-chance would be a bit risky. The two players you mention may become superstars, but they could just as easily become invisible.

Such are the perils of a rebuilding team. We could also hang on to Tanev and watch his prime years wither away on a non competitive team and have nothing to show for that either. 

[ynwa]

1 minute ago, J.R. said:

Such are the perils of a rebuilding team. We could also hang on to Tanev and watch his prime years wither away on a non competitive team and have nothing to show for that either. 

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Touché

[shiznak]

1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said:

But it will get them into a better seed in the playoffs. Or help push for home ice. Throw in Edler or Sbisa to sweeten the deal

Mortgaging the future for a few rounds in the Stanley Cup playoffs. That sounds like the Canucks motto, circa 2008-2011.

 

Dallas is better off keeping the pick and signing someone like Stone.

[PunjabiCanucks]

Assuming we somehow get the 3oa and keep the 5th. Do you package the 3rd oa and van 2nd for the 2nd oa pick.

[missioncanucksfan]

14 minutes ago, PunjabiCanucks said:

Assuming we somehow get the 3oa and keep the 5th. Do you package the 3rd oa and van 2nd for the 2nd oa pick.

hell no....you keep everything and select #3, 5 and the rest of the picks

 

#3-Mittlestadt

#5- Liljegren/Makar

 

BOOM.....got our elite playmaking center.....got our ppqb

[hatedkid666]

3rd OV = 5th OV

[-AJ-]

This makes loads of sense for the Stars, but almost no sense for anyone in spots 4-9. The difference between #3 and #9 is almost less than I've ever seen, so I'd expect them to trade for some defense or goaltending with a team further down probably.

[-AJ-]

3 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Ehh. As much as I'd like to grab Middlestadt, I don't necessarily think it's worth the price that Dallas would be asking, considering the discrepancy between the 3rd and 5th overall picks is near nonexistent this year.

 

To Dallas

 

5th overall

CBJ 2nd rd pick

 

To Vancouver

 

3rd overall 

 

That's about all I'd do for a pick swap-type deal.

 

However, if we could somehow end up with both picks, I wouldn't be against that. However, I don't know if we have the trade chips to play.

 

To Dallas

 

Chris Tanev

Vancouver 2nd rd pic

 

To Vancouver

 

3rd Overall

Niemi

 

?

 

Probably not enough.

I agree. I don't like the idea of moving up, but am open to the idea of grabbing it as an extra pick.

[hatedkid666]

1 hour ago, missioncanucksfan said:

if I'm Benning, I would be on the phone to Nill saying this....

 

"Do you see how good my guy Edler is playing with your D Klingberg?"

 

"You wanna see 82 games of that?"

 

"Hows about Edler for your 3rd overall and you can send that Niemi guy our way."

 

"Salaries match up so theres that too...."

holy $#!T youre hired

[Odjick_fan]

Sbisa,Gaunce and 2nd should do it lol. Sorry had to do it 

[HI5]

This a weak draft or somethin? Not as much hype around these projected top guys. Yakupov was hyped more.

[DownUndaCanuck]

2 hours ago, Ossi Vaananen said:

3rd to 5th is basically a push. Now, if we were to acquire the 3rd without packaging the 5th, that would be interesting.   

I think there's a deal there. The Canucks have 2 2nd round picks and Tanev, we could easily nab the 3rd overall and keep our 5th. Two top-10 picks is how you really revamp a rebuild. Unfortunately it's not considered a very deep draft but top-10 picks usually come out as full time NHLers and we'd likely add a top-6 center and top-4 defenceman to our stock. Go from an average prospect pool to a pretty deep one in a single day.

[DownUndaCanuck]

2 hours ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

Just to point out... 

 

You are saying that Vilardi, Mittelstadt and Glass are all good enough to go Top-3 - yet, when we pick 5th (when at least one of those guys will still be available) you say:  'don't take that top-3 talent, take someone else instead - perhaps someone ranked 8th or 10th!'

 

This is actually Canucks-caliber asset-management!  Best player available, shmest plaver avaylable!

If we had the 3rd and 5th overall, we could certainly take two centers but I've got a feeling taking the BPA time and time again will leave us with difficult trades to make later down the line, and we've seen how hard it is to trade for a defenceman lately in particular. For quality D-men, JB understands that you need to grow them from day dot through the draft. It's hard to compare D-men and centers but I think the BPA out of that lot would be one of Vilardi/Mittelstatd/Glass, and then later at 5th overall I'd take Heiskanen or Makar. My rankings would be:

 

Hirschier

Nolan

Vilardi

Mittelstatd

Glass

Heiskanen

Tippett

Makar

 

I'm all for taking the best player available, but when it comes down to 5th overall and something like Heiskanen VS Glass it's tricky, and if it's evens as to who may be the "best player" I'd go next to start looking at what positions we need filled. Honestly from 3rd to 10th overall I don't think we can clearly say there is a best player available this draft, so why not just take whoever our scouts like best and whoever fills our needs best.

[48MPHSlapShot]

I think us and Dallas make very good trade partners.

 

- We're in need of high end prospects, and Dallas has and is willing to shop 3rd overall- Check.

 

- Dallas has a potent offense, but can't keep the puck out of their own net. We're shopping one of the premier defensive specialists in the league- Check.

 

- Dallas is looking to dump Niemi's salary on someone, and our 6 million dollar per-year goalie's contract is up- Check.

 

There's a deal there somewhere.