Pears Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I think we have a good opportunity to really shore up the prospect pool this summer and these moves here will show some options we have. **Cap goes up $2 million** Current cap space (+$2 million):$19,375,001 To Vancouver: Kari Lehtonen, Riley Tufte, 2017 1st (Ana) To Dallas: Alex Edler, CBJ 2nd To Vancouver: Kasperi Kapanen, Brendan Leipsic, 2017 1st (16th ova) To Toronto: Chris Tanev To Vancouver: Nail Yakupov To St. Louis: Conditional 2018 4th Van 1st: 5th - Cody Glass Van 1st (from Tor): 16th - Timothy Liljegren Van 1st (from Dal): 28th - Maxime Comtois Van 2nd: 33rd - Nikita Popugaev Van 3rd: 64th - MacKenzie Entwistle Van 4th: 95th - Adam Ruzicka Van 4th (from SJ): 113th - Michael DiPietro Van 7th: 188th - Trey Fix-Wolansky Cap space for re-signings: $26,525,001 Re-signings: Bo Horvat: 3 years, $4 million per Erik Gudbranson: 3 years, $4 million per Nail Yakupov: 2 years, $2 million per Brendan Gaunce: 3 years, $900K per Cap space for free agency: $15,625,001 Signings: Karl Alzner: 5 years, $5 million per Remaining cap: $10,625,001 Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Granlund - Sutter - Yakupov Leipsic - Gaunce - Kapanen Alzner - Gudbranson Juolevi - Hutton Pedan - Stecher Lehtonen Markstrom Young players/prospects brought in: Glass, Kapanen, Yakupov, Liljegren, Comtois, Popugaev, Leipsic, Fix-Wolansky, Entwistle, DiPietro, Ruzicka, Tufte. Thoughts? The values might be a smidge off but these moves would really help with the rebuild or maybe even finish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superlative Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Alzner 5 year 5 mil is a no no remember the Eriksson signing... NO overagers with that type of contract plz. It "may" be good now but not in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Is there a reason you want Tufte ? he has kinda bland numbers in the USHL... Also seems like a terrible deal for an Edler trade considering we are giving away CBJ 2nd for a low first rounder all the while taking Lehtinen's contract on... Really bad deal... Like really really really bad. The 2nd deal been talked about, I don't really want that kind of return for Tanev. I want to get a promising elite talent.. Leipsic and Kapenen is pretty good but not really elite. I'd be far more interested in a package for a top 10 pick or a great player like Drouin or Niedereitter or something like that. No to Alzner he'll prob get more than 5x5m and not really what we need right now.. Specifically when you say this is a youth movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 A little overpayment in the Edler trade. Change that second to a fourth or so. Id like to get Alzner here but don't think we need another big contract. Rather go after a reclamation project suck as Kulikov or Del Zotto. Maybe even two UFAs. I like the Yakupov deal and tanned trade and this is an overall good proposal. Doubt it ever happens though as ownership will not be interested in us being blown out every night haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 When you are a top defender are you worth a C prospect, a B prospect, and a middle first in a meh draft year? Would you do Doughty for that package? How about Ekman-Larsson? Top players don't go for cheap and I'm tired of Tanev being undervalued. He's the best in the league at shot suppression and for a team having trouble keeping the puck out of their net, they should overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just say NO to that deal with TO. Tanev should return one really good piece, not three question marks. TO is not a good trading partner for us. Buffalo for Reino, or TBay for Drouin. That's what Tanev's return in trade should be. Not TO's scraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Stamkos said: When you are a top defender are you worth a C prospect, a B prospect, and a middle first in a meh draft year? Would you do Doughty for that package? How about Ekman-Larsson? Top players don't go for cheap and I'm tired of Tanev being undervalued. He's the best in the league at shot suppression and for a team having trouble keeping the puck out of their net, they should overpay. Well make a Tanev trade proposal then.......I do not disagree with you........but lets see what you got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Well make a Tanev trade proposal then.......I do not disagree with you........but lets see what you got! Tampa isn't a great trading partner, they don't need defence the most so Drouin is off the table, but a deal can definitely be made with Dallas. If we can get Lehtonen and the third overall pick for Tanev I'd be happy. I'd like a bit more but that's just my opinion. I honestly think we should try and go for a good young player instead of a pick but when you look at all of the teams, we wouldn't be likely to get anyone major so that pick may be our only option. With the 3rd and 5th overall I'd like to get Heiskanen and Mittelstadt/Glass. Then package a fourth and Gaunce for a pick between 20-25 and draft Urho Vakanainen(spelling?). I seriously believe we could develope him into a top defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGCanuck Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Nail at the league minimum would be an over-payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, RetroCanuck said: A little overpayment in the Edler trade. Change that second to a fourth or so. Id like to get Alzner here but don't think we need another big contract. Rather go after a reclamation project suck as Kulikov or Del Zotto. Maybe even two UFAs. I like the Yakupov deal and tanned trade and this is an overall good proposal. Doubt it ever happens though as ownership will not be interested in us being blown out every night haha. I thought about Kulikov but I figured Alzner would be a better fit and we'd probably have a better shot at signing him since he's from BC. 40 minutes ago, Stamkos said: When you are a top defender are you worth a C prospect, a B prospect, and a middle first in a meh draft year? Would you do Doughty for that package? How about Ekman-Larsson? Top players don't go for cheap and I'm tired of Tanev being undervalued. He's the best in the league at shot suppression and for a team having trouble keeping the puck out of their net, they should overpay. I'm not undervaluing Tanev at all. Yea getting Nylander or Drouin for him would be ideal but let's be real, we'd most likely have to add a little to get one of them. Kapanen is still a very good prospect and getting another 1st would be huge. 1 hour ago, goblix said: Is there a reason you want Tufte ? he has kinda bland numbers in the USHL... Also seems like a terrible deal for an Edler trade considering we are giving away CBJ 2nd for a low first rounder all the while taking Lehtinen's contract on... Really bad deal... Like really really really bad. The 2nd deal been talked about, I don't really want that kind of return for Tanev. I want to get a promising elite talent.. Leipsic and Kapenen is pretty good but not really elite. I'd be far more interested in a package for a top 10 pick or a great player like Drouin or Niedereitter or something like that. No to Alzner he'll prob get more than 5x5m and not really what we need right now.. Specifically when you say this is a youth movement I think Alzner would be a good fit here especially if we trade Edler because after him we really only have Hutton and Juolevi on the left side :| so there would be a need there. I kinda threw Tufte in there because Lehtonen and a 1st alone wouldn't have been enough for Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzbottom Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 To Vancouver: Kasperi Kapanen, Brendan Leipsic, 2017 1st (16th ova) To Toronto: Chris Tanev Toronto would never do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, zzbottom said: To Vancouver: Kasperi Kapanen, Brendan Leipsic, 2017 1st (16th ova) To Toronto: Chris Tanev Toronto would never do this. Are you being sarcastic? The .Canucks give up A top three shutdown dman in the league, and the Leafs only give up three pieces of junk? Vancouver would get A LOT more than TO's scraps. We want one really good piece in return. Can you say Sam Reinhart? That's what Tanev is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzbottom Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: Are you being sarcastic? The .Canucks give up A top three shutdown dman in the league, and the Leafs only give up three pieces of junk? Vancouver would get A LOT more than TO's scraps. We want one really good piece in return. Can you say Sam Reinhart? That's what Tanev is worth. Why would you even want to make this trade when all Vancouver is getting in return is junk? &^@#ing state of it. Tanev is only good on one end of the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, zzbottom said: To Vancouver: Kasperi Kapanen, Brendan Leipsic, 2017 1st (16th ova) To Toronto: Chris Tanev Toronto would never do this. They would to get one of the best defensive defensemen in the NHL, which Tanev is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Nail for less, Bo for more. No way to Alzner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Pears said: Glass, Kapanen, Yakupov, Liljegren, Comtois, Popugaev, Leipsic, Comtois, Entwistle, DiPietro, Ruzicka, Tufte. Thoughts? 1.Comtois have a twin? 2. Not interested in Popugaev - watched him in PG, doesn't use his size at all even though he could dominant opponents with it without even trying. Plus if he's not getting #1 pp he's not producing much. When he arrived in PG Matvichuck made him responsible for backchecking and he didn't like that one bit - his numbers came way back down to earth. 3. Don't think we're getting anywhere near that return for Tanev although I'll gladly be proven wrong. You're essentially asking TO for two firsts and a third, not sure Lou bites on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Pears said: I think we have a good opportunity to really shore up the prospect pool this summer and these moves here will show some options we have. **Cap goes up $2 million** Current cap space (+$2 million):$19,375,001 To Vancouver: Kari Lehtonen, Riley Tufte, 2017 1st (Ana) To Dallas: Alex Edler, CBJ 2nd To Vancouver: Kasperi Kapanen, Brendan Leipsic, 2017 1st (16th ova) To Toronto: Chris Tanev To Vancouver: Nail Yakupov To St. Louis: Conditional 2018 4th Van 1st: 5th - Cody Glass Van 1st (from Tor): 16th - Timothy Liljegren Van 1st (from Dal): 28th - Maxime Comtois Van 2nd: 33rd - Nikita Popugaev Van 3rd: 64th - MacKenzie Entwistle Van 4th: 95th - Adam Ruzicka Van 4th (from SJ): 113th - Michael DiPietro Van 7th: 188th - Trey Fix-Wolansky Cap space for re-signings: $26,525,001 Re-signings: Bo Horvat: 3 years, $4 million per Erik Gudbranson: 3 years, $4 million per Nail Yakupov: 2 years, $2 million per Brendan Gaunce: 3 years, $900K per Cap space for free agency: $15,625,001 Signings: Karl Alzner: 5 years, $5 million per Remaining cap: $10,625,001 Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Granlund - Sutter - Yakupov Leipsic - Gaunce - Kapanen Alzner - Gudbranson Juolevi - Hutton Pedan - Stecher Lehtonen Markstrom Young players/prospects brought in: Glass, Kapanen, Yakupov, Liljegren, Comtois, Popugaev, Leipsic, Comtois, Entwistle, DiPietro, Ruzicka, Tufte. Thoughts? The values might be a smidge off but these moves would really help with the rebuild or maybe even finish it. Sorry I don't like any other of those trades. The Toronto one is ok but still doesn't do much for me. Glass drafted at 5 by us I could definitely see though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Are you being sarcastic? The .Canucks give up A top three shutdown dman in the league, and the Leafs only give up three pieces of junk? Vancouver would get A LOT more than TO's scraps. We want one really good piece in return. Can you say Sam Reinhart? That's what Tanev is worth. Kapanen would be our second best forward prospect after Brock. That's not junk. He has the potential to be a 50+ point two way winger. That's a steep price for TO to pay, I wouldn't be surprised if they balk at that. They hold Kapanen in high regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 why would Gaunce basically sign a second ELC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Toews said: Kapanen would be our second best forward prospect after Brock. That's not junk. He has the potential to be a 50+ point two way winger. That's a steep price for TO to pay, I wouldn't be surprised if they balk at that. They hold Kapanen in high regard. I gotta disagree with you on this one. TO is not a good trading partner for us. Plus, I hate them. There is always that:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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