captaincowbasher Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Tanev (Canucks protect for bolts in Expansion Draft) + Sutter to TB for Drouin + 2017 1st(14th overall) to Vancouver Why TB does this; The bolts are in big trouble with the expansion draft as Callahan and Filppula have to be protected, which means the Bolts will have to go 7-3-1 ratio, leaving the back end rather exposed. The upside to this deal would be that the Canucks protect Tanev (whom would look amazing with Hedman as a top pair right-side D) for the bolts allowing the Bolts to in essence go 7-4-1. They also get a very good shut down center who thrived in the Eastern Conference. The Canucks give up a lot, however, they are rebuilding and Drouin's becomes a piece we can build around, and another first round pick is exactly what the doctor ordered for this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Canucks give up a lot, but not enough. Expansion draft aside, I think Drouin and Tanev could be considered comparable, but Sutter isn't worth a mid-round first pick in a draft where the top picks outside the first two are constantly revolving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 They keep saying the person that gets the better player wins the trade. Can you say Tanev is better than Drouin? I see where you're coming from but unsure it would happen as there are 7 teams I can think of that can capably field a better offer with more intrinsic pieces for Tampas current route vs what we'd offer. As well, that's giving Tampa with cap issues almost $9 ish million in added cap....unsure it would work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I find it fascinating that Canucks fans gripe about Crosby whining, yet want to trade the farm for guys like Kane and Drouin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Tampa is in a tough enough cap situation as is without taking on Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misconduct16 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 A - Filppula is a Flyer... so not really a worry about protecting him eh?http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/lightning-acquire-defenceman-mark-streit-flyers/ B - Overvaluing Tanev and Sutter (sutter without retaining salary would not amass much return at all) C - Any deal like this will have to include taking Callahans albatross back D - Tanev for Drouin... a little overplayed much? Couldn't you have just hit search and added your modifications to one of the 37 other tanev for drouin threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Have a plan to convince Sutter to waive his NTC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misconduct16 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said: Have a plan to convince Sutter to waive his NTC? JB - "We don't think you fit this team at the moment, and realistically we are going to not be competitive for at least 3 years, want a chance to win and pay 20% less taxes?" BS - "&^@# yeah!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, Misconduct16 said: JB - "We don't think you fit this team at the moment, and realistically we are going to not be competitive for at least 3 years, want a chance to win and pay 20% less taxes?" BS - "&^@# yeah!" Yet they purposely traded for him, re-signed him with NTC, and called him a "foundational player" for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Sutter is foundation to Vancouver and thus worth far far more to JB than any player they could trade him for (which is pretty much no one with his salary where it is). Tanev (despite his worth to the canucks) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Drouin in value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 hours ago, captaincowbasher said: Tanev (Canucks protect for bolts in Expansion Draft) + Sutter to TB for Drouin + 2017 1st(14th overall) to Vancouver Why TB does this; The bolts are in big trouble with the expansion draft as Callahan and Filppula have to be protected, which means the Bolts will have to go 7-3-1 ratio, leaving the back end rather exposed. The upside to this deal would be that the Canucks protect Tanev (whom would look amazing with Hedman as a top pair right-side D) for the bolts allowing the Bolts to in essence go 7-4-1. They also get a very good shut down center who thrived in the Eastern Conference. The Canucks give up a lot, however, they are rebuilding and Drouin's becomes a piece we can build around, and another first round pick is exactly what the doctor ordered for this club. we're still going to need Sutter or a guy like Sutter for shutdown minutes. Plus I don't think TB wants the additional salary. Tanev for Drouin straight up maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: we're still going to need Sutter or a guy like Sutter for shutdown minutes. Plus I don't think TB wants the additional salary. Tanev for Drouin straight up maybe? If we could get either Drouin or Sam Reinhart for Tanev, which would be best for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: If we could get either Drouin or Sam Reinhart for Tanev, which would be best for us? I think SR, but Drouin is probably the cheaper of the two to get. Its bye bye Baer tho in that case, so Maybe Tanev, Baer, 2nd rounder for Drouin and Tampa's 14th? Still doesn't seem like enough tho when the 1st round pick is thrown in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, S'all Good Man said: I think SR, but Drouin is probably the cheaper of the two to get. Its bye bye Baer tho in that case, so Maybe Tanev, Baer, 2nd rounder for Drouin and Tampa's 14th? Still doesn't seem like enough tho when the 1st round pick is thrown in there. Agreed. Doesn't feel like it hurts us enough. That's Tavev for the 14th, which feels painful enough to be fair. But the Baer and a second for Drouin doesn't get my pain sensors going. Maybe getting Sam R. for that package would be better, with no picks coming back our way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: Agreed. Doesn't feel like it hurts us enough. That's Tavev for the 14th, which feels painful enough to be fair. But the Baer and a second for Drouin doesn't get my pain sensors going. Maybe getting Sam R. for that package would be better, with no picks coming back our way? according to @SabreFan1 Sam is happy in Buffalo so i just can't see it. Of course he could be lying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, S'all Good Man said: according to @SabreFan1 Sam is happy in Buffalo so i just can't see it. Of course he could be lying... Ya, Sam was really happy sitting on the bench. I doubt anyone is happy in Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Ya, Sam was really happy sitting on the bench. I doubt anyone is happy in Buffalo? Where is the coach now that sat him during that game again? Oh, that's right, the unemployment line... So players would be happier on the 2nd worst team in the league rather than the fifth worse team? The Russian that we just signed to an ELC chose Buffalo over Chicago, Calgary, Columbus, and Pittsburgh. The city is doing an ok job of selling itself to NHL players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milk and honey Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 If we add a 2nd and take a bit of cap back. I think it wouldn't be to bad. Have a feeling tampa fans would want tanev, sutter, 2nd for drouin alone though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksfan3322 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 On 5/30/2017 at 10:48 AM, captaincowbasher said: Tanev (Canucks protect for bolts in Expansion Draft) + Sutter to TB for Drouin + 2017 1st(14th overall) to Vancouver Why TB does this; The bolts are in big trouble with the expansion draft as Callahan and Filppula have to be protected, which means the Bolts will have to go 7-3-1 ratio, leaving the back end rather exposed. The upside to this deal would be that the Canucks protect Tanev (whom would look amazing with Hedman as a top pair right-side D) for the bolts allowing the Bolts to in essence go 7-4-1. They also get a very good shut down center who thrived in the Eastern Conference. The Canucks give up a lot, however, they are rebuilding and Drouin's becomes a piece we can build around, and another first round pick is exactly what the doctor ordered for this club. I like it, I'm guessing we need to add though. Toss in a pick or take back a contract (which frees up some cash to allow then to sign their rfas) I'm all in for Druin to come to town and fill the roll with horvat/boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayner Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I think its a bit overvalued here. I like the concepts but it will more follow this logic if anything surrounding Drouin To Vancouver: Drouin, Jason Garrison, 6th rd pick 2017 To Tampa Tanev, Baertschi, 2nd rd pick 2017 (CBJ's) Tanev is not the best offensive D-man but Drouin is not the best defensive forward, Tanev is a analytics junkies Dream but Drouin can put up points and would immediately be the best LW talent we have (not saying D. Sedin isnt a talented LWer but Drouin is a dynamic player on his own) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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