Blömqvist Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 To Tampa LW Sven Baertschi 5th overall pick To Vancouver LW Jonathan Drouin 14th overall pick At the draft... 14th overall pick + Columbus 2nd to move up towards the top-10 and draft C Elias Pettersson +sign Drouin and Horvat to whatever they want because they will be the offensive leaders of this franchise for the next decade The Lightning are faced with a very tough decision due to their cap woes. GM Yzerman has $17.5M in cap space to sign at minimum three forwards, two defensemen, and one goaltender. Notable players still to sign are RFAs Jonathan Drouin, Ondrej Palat, and Tyler Johnson. Drouin scored 21 goals and 53 points this past year and by all accounts is due for a big raise. Many believe Yzerman can not sign all three of Drouin, Palat, and Johnson and still have enough cap to fill out the rest of his roster. Sven Baertschi, a scoring left winger like Drouin, had 18 goals and 35 points in 68 games last year and is signed for 1 more season at $1.85M. He should be able to score 20+ goals and 40+ points next season and at a bargain cost. Baertschi won't replace the offense that Drouin will likely produce, but he can score and should improve his offensive numbers at a much lower cost, thereby allowing Yzerman to re-sign Palat and Johnson and still fill out the rest of his roster.The intriguing part here for the Lightning is that they will jump up to the 5th overall pick and will be able to draft a very good player who will, in a few years time, be able to contribute while on an ELC. The Canucks drop down to the 14th overall spot due to the difference in talent and ceiling between Baertschi and Drouin (Top-6 LW vs legitimate 1st line LW), but a good player will still be available for the Canucks there. According to Bob McKenzie, who surveyed 23 NHL scouts to get a consensus ranking, he has this from 10-15: 10. Martin Necas 11. Elias Pettersson 12. Timothy Liljegren 13. Klim Kostin 14. Lias Andersson 15. Kristian Vesalainen It is plausible that at 14 the Canucks can draft the remaining playmaking centres Necas or Pettersson or even offensive defenseman Liljegren if they are available at that spot or they can use the Columbus second to move up to draft their choice of Necas, Pettersson, or Liljegren or possibly even get into the top 10. In this case, I propose that the Canucks trade the 14th overall pick and the Columbus second to move up and draft C Elias Pettersson, whom they are reported to be interested in. We won't have a Crosby or Ovechkin or McDavid, but we will have scoring depth and centre depth (in addition to the defense and goaltending that Benning has improved). Having Horvat, Pettersson, and Gaudette down the middle allows us to compete with the best teams in the league. Being lauded for their 200-ft games, they will smother the opposing offensive centres while still being able to score and produce. If Horvat becomes his own Bergeron, Pettersson becomes his own Zetterberg, and Gaudette becomes his own Kesler, our centre depth could be one of the best in the league. There are also several offensive gamebreakers on the wing who can create offense at any given moment in Drouin, Boeser, Dahlen, and Goldobin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 But my Sven... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Tampa says no. We add Hutton and maybe it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, ItsMillerTime said: But my Sven... I like Sven especially after he improved his game this year, but Drouin looks to be a bonafide 1st line, PPG LWer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Tanev and CBJ 2nd for Drouin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: Tampa says no. We add Hutton and maybe it works. The 14th overall pick up to 5th overall pick not enough to account for the difference between Baertschi and Drouin? Even if this trade allows Yzerman to sign both Palat and Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I still love the idea of keeping Baertschi as he works with Horvat... In the future if we trade Tanev for Drouin I can see this down the road: Drouin - ( #1c we draft this year)- Boeser / Virtanen Baerstchi- Horvat - Virtanen/ Boeser Goldobin- Sutter - Dahlen *just approximate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Blömqvist said: The 14th overall pick up to 5th overall pick not enough to account for the difference between Baertschi and Drouin? Even if this trade allows Yzerman to sign both Palat and Johnson? Tampa needs young defensemen and Drouin is a lot better then Sven already and being 2 years younger. In this draft its not necessarily worth it to be paying big too move up especially when Tampa needs defensemen, plus theres good quality D where they're drafting. I think a deal with Tampa could work but it would have to involve one of our D. To Tampa 1st Baer Hutton To Van 1st Drouin 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, PunjabiCanucks said: I still love the idea of keeping Baertschi as he works with Horvat... In the future if we trade Tanev for Drouin I can see this down the road: Drouin - ( #1c we draft this year)- Boeser / Virtanen Baerstchi- Horvat - Virtanen/ Boeser Goldobin- Sutter - Dahlen *just approximate. Im not as high on the Baer and Bo tandem as others. Honestly I think Bo needs more of a playmaker that can feed him a pass with speed etc. Drouin would be good for that, but Goldy has my eyes currently with our prospects. He could be a real offensive stud for us. Hopefully his D game gets polished up this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 we'd need to add but this is intriguing for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtieCanuck Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Chemistry > Individual Skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckmen84 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 10 hours ago, Blömqvist said: To Tampa LW Sven Baertschi 5th overall pick To Vancouver LW Jonathan Drouin 14th overall pick At the draft... 14th overall pick + Columbus 2nd to move up towards the top-10 and draft C Elias Pettersson +sign Drouin and Horvat to whatever they want because they will be the offensive leaders of this franchise for the next decade Reveal hidden contents The Lightning are faced with a very tough decision due to their cap woes. GM Yzerman has $17.5M in cap space to sign at minimum three forwards, two defensemen, and one goaltender. Notable players still to sign are RFAs Jonathan Drouin, Ondrej Palat, and Tyler Johnson. Drouin scored 21 goals and 53 points this past year and by all accounts is due for a big raise. Many believe Yzerman can not sign all three of Drouin, Palat, and Johnson and still have enough cap to fill out the rest of his roster. Sven Baertschi, a scoring left winger like Drouin, had 18 goals and 35 points in 68 games last year and is signed for 1 more season at $1.85M. He should be able to score 20+ goals and 40+ points next season and at a bargain cost. Baertschi won't replace the offense that Drouin will likely produce, but he can score and should improve his offensive numbers at a much lower cost, thereby allowing Yzerman to re-sign Palat and Johnson and still fill out the rest of his roster.The intriguing part here for the Lightning is that they will jump up to the 5th overall pick and will be able to draft a very good player who will, in a few years time, be able to contribute while on an ELC. The Canucks drop down to the 14th overall spot due to the difference in talent and ceiling between Baertschi and Drouin (Top-6 LW vs legitimate 1st line LW), but a good player will still be available for the Canucks there. According to Bob McKenzie, who surveyed 23 NHL scouts to get a consensus ranking, he has this from 10-15: 10. Martin Necas 11. Elias Pettersson 12. Timothy Liljegren 13. Klim Kostin 14. Lias Andersson 15. Kristian Vesalainen It is plausible that at 14 the Canucks can draft the remaining playmaking centres Necas or Pettersson or even offensive defenseman Liljegren if they are available at that spot or they can use the Columbus second to move up to draft their choice of Necas, Pettersson, or Liljegren or possibly even get into the top 10. In this case, I propose that the Canucks trade the 14th overall pick and the Columbus second to move up and draft C Elias Pettersson, whom they are reported to be interested in. We won't have a Crosby or Ovechkin or McDavid, but we will have scoring depth and centre depth (in addition to the defense and goaltending that Benning has improved). Having Horvat, Pettersson, and Gaudette down the middle allows us to compete with the best teams in the league. Being lauded for their 200-ft games, they will smother the opposing offensive centres while still being able to score and produce. If Horvat becomes his own Bergeron, Pettersson becomes his own Zetterberg, and Gaudette becomes his own Kesler, our centre depth could be one of the best in the league. There are also several offensive gamebreakers on the wing who can create offense at any given moment in Drouin, Boeser, Dahlen, and Goldobin. Baertschi and our 5th is probably more like what it will take to land Drouin, he was after all a 3rd overall pick. Trade Tanev to get back into the top 10 afterwards would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 10 hours ago, Blömqvist said: The 14th overall pick up to 5th overall pick not enough to account for the difference between Baertschi and Drouin? Even if this trade allows Yzerman to sign both Palat and Johnson? I don't think so. It does depend on how the perceive Baertschi, but I'm sure TB would prefer to dump Callahan on someone and give up a little elsewhere. Look at it this way, if they could get a little more defensive help and give up Callahan and their 1st, or give up Drouin in exchange for a lesser version of him and a draft pick not significantly better than the one they move to solve their cap problems, which would you choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Tampa is not trading Drouin unless it's for a D. Rumours is that they could maybe use him as a trade chip to get a top-4 D. They have been scouting Vatanen and Dumba. They wanted to acquire Shattenkirk at the TDL but they couldn't agree on term. Yzerman told the Tampa Bay Times last week that he had spoken to the agents of Drouin, Palat and Johnson and remains confident that he can sign all three. AGM Brisebois was on a Montreal radio last month and said that they hope to keep Drouin for a long time. They were trying to move Coburn and Garrison at the TDL - guess they'll try that again to free cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 3 hours ago, mll said: Tampa is not trading Drouin unless it's for a D. Rumours is that they could maybe use him as a trade chip to get a top-4 D. They have been scouting Vatanen and Dumba. They wanted to acquire Shattenkirk at the TDL but they couldn't agree on term. Yzerman told the Tampa Bay Times last week that he had spoken to the agents of Drouin, Palat and Johnson and remains confident that he can sign all three. AGM Brisebois was on a Montreal radio last month and said that they hope to keep Drouin for a long time. They were trying to move Coburn and Garrison at the TDL - guess they'll try that again to free cap space. Yeah, TB is a contending team that really needs to get to the finals in the near future and Drouin is an important piece. I still think they are a good trading partner for Vancouver as they have some good prospects, high 1st, need cap room and could use a guy like Tanev for a cup run. TB gets Tanev + maybe a 3rd? Van gets Garrison (cap dump), 14th overall, and Brent Howden I am doubting that Callahan would waive to come to Van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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