nucklehead Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/130-imams-refuse-to-perform-funeral-prayer-for-london-bridge-terrorists/ar-BBC7DYM?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp Quote More than 100 imams and religious leaders have refused to perform the traditional Islamic prayer for the London Bridge attackers. The leaders said they would not carry out the ritual that is normally performed for every Muslim, regardless of their actions. In a statement on social media, the group said: “Consequently, and in light of other such ethical principles which are quintessential to Islam, we will not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer over the perpetrators and we also urge fellow imams and religious authorities to withdraw such a privilege. The statement added: “This is because such indefensible actions are completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam.” Religious leaders of all backgrounds have condemned the attack which killed seven and injured 47 on Saturday evening when three men rammed a rental van into pedestrians then randomly stabbed revellers in bars and restaurants near Borough Market. A panel of speakers at the East London Mosque said they would work to combat extremists’ “twisted narrative and their perversion” of religion. ”Once again we come together, to stand united against those who try to divide us,” said the chairman of East London Mosque and London Muslim Centre, Muhammad Habibur-Rahman. “The cold-blooded murder of innocent people in London on Saturday evening will not succeed in driving us apart. ”I have a clear message to those who perpetrate terrorism: you are against the very core teaching of Islam and of our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. “Your misguidance will lead you to destruction, and God willing you will utterly fail in your evil aims. ”We stand apart from you and your corruption of the religion of Islam. Terrorism has no faith.“ The sentiment was echoed by Theresa May on Sunday morning, who said the terrorists were “perverting the truth” of Islam. She declared that “enough was enough” and pledged to reform legislation around internet activity. The Prime Minister also said there should be “embarrassing conversations” about Muslim communities in the UK that have failed to integrate, but did not specify further detail, despite of many Muslim leaders condemning the attacks. Police have named two of the attackers as Khuram Shazad Butt and Rachid Redouane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Good on them. Time for that community to not only denounce but to ex-communicate members who espouses radical beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lancaster said: Good on them. Time for that community to not only denounce but to ex-communicate members who espouses radical beliefs. They already do. It's not like they endorse them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, PunjabiCanucks said: They already do. It's not like they endorse them. I mean the entire community. There always seems to be a few out there that seems to be a bit sympathetic to jihadis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Good on them. Prayers and condolences do absolutely nothing. Instead, combat the problem and actually do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 There's always a few messed up ones, but that goes for every religious community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaManbeast Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 minute ago, PunjabiCanucks said: There's always a few messed up ones, but that goes for every religious community. It's not really the same though is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Why not? Caucasian do something, the media portrays it in a whole different way? That goes for a lots of crimes...Black kid gets a mug shot, turns out to be innocent, gets shot. Caucasian does something, media/ world says they are mentally ill, but won't call it a terrorist attack, gets a nice picture of them in a dress shirt, gets interviews on how nice of a kid they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 At the end spread peace, love your neighbour. All I can say. Now out of here before people flame me ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duds Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 This is a great statement, I'm glad they did it in a public way. It sends a message to both the extremists and others who assume all Muslims condone extremist views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 31 minutes ago, PunjabiCanucks said: Why not? Caucasian do something, the media portrays it in a whole different way? That goes for a lots of crimes...Black kid gets a mug shot, turns out to be innocent, gets shot. Caucasian does something, media/ world says they are mentally ill, but won't call it a terrorist attack, gets a nice picture of them in a dress shirt, gets interviews on how nice of a kid they were. Racist much? Radical Islamic terror doesn't have anything to do with race, for either side. Are you saying that people wouldn't be upset if it was white Muslims cutting people's heads off on TV? The biggest victims of terror are other Muslims, are they racist too for being upset about radical Islam? Get out of here with this racist garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Racist much? Radical Islamic terror doesn't have anything to do with race, for either side. Are you saying that people wouldn't be upset if it was white Muslims cutting people's heads off on TV? The biggest victims of terror are other Muslims, are they racist too for being upset about radical Islam? Get out of here with this racist garbage. LOL, first of all I know that biggest victims of muslim terrorists are muslims. But general society doesn't understand that. They think the victims of ISIS are americans/ white people. My point was if it was a non muslim people don't label them as a terrorist. I never said the Caucasians committing the acts were muslim..people would react the same if the terrorist was white/ black/ brown/ yellow as long as they hear it was a muslim And as soon as you hear of something happen, people just jump onto the wagon and go these muslims are terrorizing, before any facts come in of who did it. Going back to the main point of the story, I expect nothing less for the imams refusing to perform the prayers. Muslims don't condone violence and terrorism. But everyone goes 'hmm I wonder why muslims don't stop other muslims for committing these acts" . It is not my point to be racist by all means, and I apologize if it sounds like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, PunjabiCanucks said: Why not? Caucasian do something, the media portrays it in a whole different way? That goes for a lots of crimes...Black kid gets a mug shot, turns out to be innocent, gets shot. Caucasian does something, media/ world says they are mentally ill, but won't call it a terrorist attack, gets a nice picture of them in a dress shirt, gets interviews on how nice of a kid they were. Don't mean to nitpick but there are plenty of Caucasian Muslims. In fact the majority of the people in the actual Caucasus region are probably Muslims. It's not a race you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 51 minutes ago, Bo053 said: Do you seriously not understand the difference you racist moron? White guy suddenly snapping and shooting people and then himself is clearly a case of mental illness. The attackers in London knew exactly what they were doing and were completely lucid, it was a planned attack with the sole intention of killing as many people as possible. One of the stab victims who survived told the media that the guy said "this is for Islam" before stabbing him. They may be brainwashed but they aren't unhinged or out of control, they know exactly what they're doing before they do it. Just want your opinion (a healthy debate) Why is the white guy labelled mentally ill? He came in with a plan, he brings a gun makes a choice to walk in and shoot people? He doesn't say in the name of christianity or anything, but he still does something wrong and terrorizes people? What about the people that go around, shoot someone as they shout go back to your country? - is that a terrorist? someone who is mentally ill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, Salmonberries said: Don't mean to nitpick but there are plenty of Caucasian Muslims. In fact the majority of the people in the actual Caucasus region are probably Muslims. It's not a race you know. I wasn't implying the caucasian was a muslim in my scenario... race / religion/ culture are all different things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Anyways, sorry for taking away from the original post. Goodnight everyone and take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, PunjabiCanucks said: I wasn't implying the caucasian was a muslim in my scenario... race / religion/ culture are all different things No but when you were contrasting Caucasian violence with Muslim violence I guess I became confused. I wasn't quite sure what you meant by that because it's apples and kumquats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck001 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 16 minutes ago, PunjabiCanucks said: Just want your opinion (a healthy debate) Why is the white guy labelled mentally ill? He came in with a plan, he brings a gun makes a choice to walk in and shoot people? He doesn't say in the name of christianity or anything, but he still does something wrong and terrorizes people? What about the people that go around, shoot someone as they shout go back to your country? - is that a terrorist? someone who is mentally ill? I don't really understand what you're trying to say? Wasn't the guy who shot up the Mosque in Quebec quickly labelled a terrorist? And yes, terrorists are mentally ill, anyone who murders innocent people are mentally ill. Also, Caucasians can be Muslim as well, in fact the largest Muslim country in the world is Asian. As a Muslim I can tell you we come in all shapes and size and colours. Take me for example, I'm a Kosovar Albanian and defiantly way more pale compared to other Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksHomer Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 hours ago, PunjabiCanucks said: Why not? Caucasian do something, the media portrays it in a whole different way? That goes for a lots of crimes...Black kid gets a mug shot, turns out to be innocent, gets shot. Caucasian does something, media/ world says they are mentally ill, but won't call it a terrorist attack, gets a nice picture of them in a dress shirt, gets interviews on how nice of a kid they were. GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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