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4 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

I'm just saying if OJ cant make the show Before he's 25 is say it's time to move on from him. I know defenseman tale longer to develop and that we need to be patient with a player like him but 25 is a little overkill. 

 

How many defenseman that began their nhl career at 25 or later turned out to have an impact in the nhl? 

 

Also why are we talking about olli in the petterson  thread?

No no man I meant Gudbranson not OJ lol

 

As in replying to your initial comment about Guddy not Juolevi

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16 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

If Gaudette can become a second line NHL centre, I'd have no problem running with Horvat and Gaudette as our 1-2 Cs, and some combination of Pettersson, Lind, Dahlén, Boeser, Goldobin, Baertschi (if he's still here), Gadjovich, FA signings (maybe Kane), and possibly Virtanen, Lockwood, Palmu, etc. filling out those wing spots. 

 

Plus we're going to win the lottery and draft Jack Hughes in 2019. ;) 

Now all we need is defence 

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5 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Once again, I never "wrote him off" as a center. Turris and Trochek are examples of lighter players surviving as centers in the NHL. I literally said it's still a possibility that he could end up as a center in the NHL as well. 

 

Just because I think that the chances are higher of Pettersson being a winger in the NHL than a center means I'm writing this kid off? In the same post that I said he could be a part of a pretty good NHL first line?

I was saying don’t write him off as a centre.

 

I know you said he could end up there, but the majority of your post was you thinking he’s going to be a winger.  Which is silly to claim for such a young player and to which I say: it’s way too early to tell.

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5 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Once again, I never "wrote him off" as a center. Turris and Trochek are examples of lighter players surviving as centers in the NHL. I literally said it's still a possibility that he could end up as a center in the NHL as well. 

 

Just because I think that the chances are higher of Pettersson being a winger in the NHL than a center means I'm writing this kid off? In the same post that I said he could be a part of a pretty good NHL first line?

Those are the two best examples you could come up with? Come on, try a little harder. 

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1 hour ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

Those are the two best examples you could come up with? Come on, try a little harder. 

The guy does have a point though.  Most of the top Cs in the NHL are in the +200lb range.  There are guys like Turris, Trochet, Krejci and Giroux, but even those 4 are in the 185lb range.

 

Really hoping size won't be an issue for Elias, but I think he needs at least another 20lbs on his frame to be an effective #1C in the NHL.

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20 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

The guy does have a point though.  Most of the top Cs in the NHL are in the +200lb range.  There are guys like Turris, Trochet, Krejci and Giroux, but even those 4 are in the 185lb range.

 

Really hoping size won't be an issue for Elias, but I think he needs at least another 20lbs on his frame to be an effective #1C in the NHL.

No that's fine. I can totally see EP functioning in the NHL around the 180 range. There are plenty of quality centres at that weight class. It's nothing to be ashamed of. 

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2 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

I was saying don’t write him off as a centre.

 

I know you said he could end up there, but the majority of your post was you thinking he’s going to be a winger.  Which is silly to claim for such a young player and to which I say: it’s way too early to tell.

 

I don't think it's a ridiculous thought. Look at players like Keller, Nylander, Marner, Teravainen, Reinhart, Mi. Granlund, Jost, etc. They're all young, skilled, physically unimposing players that have spent a considerable amount of time on the wing for the most part. In fact, given Pettersson's current physical build, it would be more silly to think he would start as a center in the NHL (unless he takes another 2-3 years of development, which I don't think is very likely). 

 

I agree that it's too early to tell, but it's not too early to be realistic in his chances and look at the most probably outcome. 

 

46 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

The guy does have a point though.  Most of the top Cs in the NHL are in the +200lb range.  There are guys like Turris, Trochet, Krejci and Giroux, but even those 4 are in the 185lb range.

 

Really hoping size won't be an issue for Elias, but I think he needs at least another 20lbs on his frame to be an effective #1C in the NHL.

 

Even Giroux was shifted to the wing this year in favour of the bigger, more defensively minded Couturier. This is why I would like another top flight center in one of the next two drafts, as insurance. Probably a defenseman this year and a center next year. 

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1 hour ago, higgyfan said:

The guy does have a point though.  Most of the top Cs in the NHL are in the +200lb range.  There are guys like Turris, Trochet, Krejci and Giroux, but even those 4 are in the 185lb range.

 

Really hoping size won't be an issue for Elias, but I think he needs at least another 20lbs on his frame to be an effective #1C in the NHL.

good thing he just turned 19yrs old 2 days ago.  hes 6"2 and has several years still to fill out and get his man strength.  he will be close to 180 by next season at least.  im guessing he will play around 195 may be even a little heavier.  petr Forsberg weighed the same when he was drafted. i would give him time to show us.

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5 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

good thing he just turned 19yrs old 2 days ago.  hes 6"2 and has several years still to fill out and get his man strength.  he will be close to 180 by next season at least.  im guessing he will play around 195 may be even a little heavier.

Well, you know...genetics aren't always the predictor, but they may be a better prediction over your guess.

 

His brother Emil, will be 24yrs old in 2 months and he weighs in at 176 lbs.  Mind you, after struggling for a few years, he is having a great year in the AHL and is the Admirals #1 scorer AND #1C.  Elias, being the far better player, may be able to do the same thing, but at the NHL level. 

 

Whatever the case; W or C, he will be an exceptional player.

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40 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

good thing he just turned 19yrs old 2 days ago.  hes 6"2 and has several years still to fill out and get his man strength.  he will be close to 180 by next season at least.  im guessing he will play around 195 may be even a little heavier.  petr Forsberg weighed the same when he was drafted. i would give him time to show us.

He did? I searched far and wide and saw nothing about Forsberg weighing 165lbs at the draft. All I could find was this pick. Looks pretty solid to me

 

forsberg-1991-draft

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6 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

Even Giroux was shifted to the wing this year in favour of the bigger, more defensively minded Couturier. This is why I would like another top flight center in one of the next two drafts, as insurance. Probably a defenseman this year and a center next year. 

Stating the obvious here, but I think it's going to be up to Pettesson and Green (or whoever coach we have).

 

I honestly don't think 18 games of Giroux not being a centre is much of an argument against the 10 years of him playing centre in the NHL, including one year being only 1 point behind a much larger Ryan Getzlaf and 3rd in the league in points. Teams experiment all the time.

 

Personally, I think too much focus is put on weight on this forum. While it obviously can help, speed and skill seem to be where it's at these days. If you don't believe me, ask Derian Hatcher. ;)

 

Btw, I'm not going to say you're wrong or right with Pettersson as I realise it's a prediction and you're not 100% one way or another, I just felt your comparison with Giroux seemed a little jumping at the gun something to back what you've said up. ;)

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5 hours ago, Ihatetomatoes said:

He did? I searched far and wide and saw nothing about Forsberg weighing 165lbs at the draft. All I could find was this pick. Looks pretty solid to me

 

forsberg-1991-draft

I didn't realize he was that light when drafted either, but after some searching it does seem to be the case.

 

This draft card lists him at 5'10" 161 lbs:

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewCard.cfm/sid/59580/cid/3343446/1991-Ultimate-Draft-5-Peter-Forsberg

 

This draft card lists him at 5'11" 167lbs:

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewCard.cfm/sid/14193/cid/1579995/1991-Classic-Draft-Picks-5-Peter-Forsberg

 

(Sorry, I don't know how to embed an image)

 

So Forsberg seems to have been somewhere between 161lbs and 167lbs when drafted. Forsberg was shorter than Pettersson when drafted though which is probably why he looks a bit more solid despite similar weight. I don't think Pettersson ends up heavier than 200lbs but I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up in the 190lbs range.

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