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29 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

Can someone please explain to me:

 

1. Why is Elias not playing centre ? i gathered that was his natural position growing up.

2. Why is it easier for smaller forwards to play centre than winger ? i'd gather your size/reach become more of an issue during board battles,which wingers are more prone to getting into than Centres, no ?

 

He is not playing centre because the coaches are trying to protect him somewhat playing against men. Centres need to play the entire 200 ft game including battling in front of your own net.....that takes a toll on a 165 lb body.

Playing wing is less skating. Playing wing on the larger Europen ice surface is less physical than in North America because there is less play along the boards.

Your statement " Why is it easier for smaller forwards to play centre than winger ?" is wrong as it is actually the opposite, particularly at the NHL level.

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56 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

 

 

And this is why teams that really do tank, end up stunting their youth's development, ala Edmonton and its 'lost generation'. 

 

Again, horvat is doing just fine after two terrible years of losing. You see horvat losing confidence or having his growth stunted? He's an example of why that line of thinking is a myth. Taylor hall is doing fine in New Jersey. Yakupov was just the top pick in a weak draft year and wasn't actually that great. Talent will win out in the end. Losing affecting a players development is just making excuses for the player for not succeeding. I don't like it because it's pulling a Matt Murray and giving 0 accountability to the player. 

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10 minutes ago, FireGillis said:

Again, horvat is doing just fine after two terrible years of losing. You see horvat losing confidence or having his growth stunted? He's an example of why that line of thinking is a myth. Taylor hall is doing fine in New Jersey. Yakupov was just the top pick in a weak draft year and wasn't actually that great. Talent will win out in the end. Losing affecting a players development is just making excuses for the player for not succeeding. 

oops, you must've forgotten his rookie year, 2014/15, when we had a winning record and made the playoffs

wonder how that may have affected his development...

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9 minutes ago, FireGillis said:

Again, horvat is doing just fine after two terrible years of losing. You see horvat losing confidence or having his growth stunted? He's an example of why that line of thinking is a myth. Taylor hall is doing fine in New Jersey. Yakupov was just the top pick in a weak draft year and wasn't actually that great. Talent will win out in the end. Losing affecting a players development is just making excuses for the player for not succeeding. 

You make some points that are hard to argue against.  I think in my mind the factor that makes tanking not work, at least in this market, is that this fanbase will not tolerate an additional X number of years languishing in the NHL basement while the team tries to accumulate top picks.  It is easy for you to be calling for a tank, but how does an owner swallow a tank when 1/4 of the stadium is empty?  This is a fickle market for many reasons.  Do you think we can pull the plug on all the vets and let the kids swim for 3-4 years while the gate suffers?  Also, the other factor in all this is that the lotto rules have changed (thanks to the coilers tank) and just because you finish bottom of the barrell doesnt mean you will get a top tier draft pick.

 

So my question to you is how many games will you pay face value for a ticket to watch in person if this is a 25th to 31st place team for the next 3 years.  Tankers like to talk about tanking, but in my opinion these same people are not the ones reaching for their wallet to support the team.

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1 hour ago, -AJ- said:

I feel that it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for Pettersson to carry his own top six line outside of the killer Bs. I'm sure he could do wonders for whoever is on his line. It's not like we need a strict first line. Two "top 6" lines that play an equal amount sounds exciting to me.

I actually think Pettersson and Dahlén flanking Gaudette would be a pretty fun line to watch.

 

Not that I necessarily project them as the answer to our future top-6. Just something I'd love to see tried out.

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4 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I actually think Pettersson and Dahlén flanking Gaudette would be a pretty fun line to watch.

 

Not that I necessarily project them as the answer to our future top-6. Just something I'd love to see tried out.

I don't know if Dahlen makes the team next season. A year in Utica would probably be good for him, getting used to the NHL sized ice. One could say the same for Pettersson, but I imagine it's gonna be pretty damn hard to keep him out of the lineup.

 

I actually wouldn't mind seeing a line of Pettersson, Gaudette and Eriksson next year. Pettersson and Gaudette could even share some of the faceoff duties, easing them both into the role, and Eriksson could provide the veteran presence on that line.

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2 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

To tankers it's easy.  Flip a switch and lose to collect elite talent.  Simply flip that switch again to let the wins roll in 'cause Pittsburgh...Chicago.  Never mind that the Penguins almost lost their franchise and Chicago had to have an owner die before turning things around.

Shhhh. You'll break their fragile little narratives with your facts.  

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10 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

To tankers it's easy.  Flip a switch and lose to collect elite talent.  Simply flip that switch again to let the wins roll in 'cause Pittsburgh...Chicago.  Never mind that the Penguins almost lost their franchise and Chicago had to have an owner die before turning things around.

So are you implying for us to become as successful as the recent Hawks and Pens we need to be so bad that our team might relocate?  That sounds like a tanker philosophy, no?  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

So are you implying for us to become as successful as the recent Hawks and Pens we need to be so bad that our team might relocate?  That sounds like a tanker philosophy, no?  

Was implying there are other possible side effects that go along with tanking.  It's not all high draft picks and guaranteed wins.

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4 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

Was implying there are other possible side effects that go along with tanking.  It's not all high draft picks and guaranteed wins.

I think JB is showing he's able to find elite talent outside of the top picks: Boeser for one.  Maybe Gaudette too and Lind too:)

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47 minutes ago, Darius71 said:

and just because you finish bottom of the barrell doesnt mean you will get a top tier draft pick.

Actually it does. See Pettersson and juolevi. Finishing as low as you can prevents you from dropping too far. Lost lotto twice and got 2 top 5 picks still. I call that a successful tank. Also, gets you a high 2nd round pick and Kole Lind! 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, FireGillis said:

Actually it does. See Pettersson and juolevi. Finishing as low as you can prevents you from dropping too far. Lost lotto twice and got 2 top 5 picks still. I call that a successful tank. Also, gets you a high 2nd round pick and Kole Lind! 

 

 

Citing Botchford in this context isn't going to go over well :lol:

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1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Citing Botchford in this context isn't going to go over well :lol:

Sure it does because even if you don't like Botchford you can't argue with facts. Finishing last guarantees you at least 4th overall, 2nd last 5th overall, etc. It's just objective facts and not an opinion. 

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11 minutes ago, FireGillis said:

Actually it does. See Pettersson and juolevi. Finishing as low as you can prevents you from dropping too far. Lost lotto twice and got 2 top 5 picks still. I call that a successful tank. Also, gets you a high 2nd round pick and Kole Lind! 

 

 

Thats fine, but you did not answer the question.  Say it takes 3 years to complete your tank plan, who is going to pay to watch a bottom 5 team?  Would you buy season tickets? How many games would you go to?  Its easy to talk about a tank when you are not eating the bill.  

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Just now, FireGillis said:

Sure it does because even if you don't like Botchford you can't argue with facts. Finishing last guarantees you at least 4th overall, 2nd last 5th overall, etc. It's just objective facts and not an opinion. 

There's still the matter of creating a losing culture to contend with. People can dispute it all they want, but the Oilers seem to be having one helluva time escaping it. The Coyotes too. If you're bad for too long, it becomes a nearly inescapable hole to crawl out of. 

 

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1 minute ago, FireGillis said:

Sure it does because even if you don't like Botchford you can't argue with facts. Finishing last guarantees you at least 4th overall, 2nd last 5th overall, etc. It's just objective facts and not an opinion. 

Botchford is an idiot Troll.  However, on this point, he's certainly correct.  The lower the team finishes, the higher the guaranteed draft pick.  Moreover, the higher the pick, the more likely selection of an impact player.  The wrench in the gears of this concept though is Benning.  He's proving he can get impact players (Boeser) outside the top picks.  

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3 minutes ago, Darius71 said:

Thats fine, but you did not answer the question.  Say it takes 3 years to complete your tank plan, who is going to pay to watch a bottom 5 team?  Would you buy season tickets? How many games would you go to?  Its easy to talk about a tank when you are not eating the bill.  

True, but who wins any Cups in this new Cap era without collecting elite players from top picks?  

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Just now, 48MPHSlapShot said:

There's still the matter of creating a losing culture to contend with. People can dispute it all they want, but the Oilers seem to be having one helluva time escaping it. The Coyotes too. If you're bad for too long, it becomes a nearly inescapable hole to crawl out of. 

 

Add Buffalo, Islanders and Panthers to that list as well.

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