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33 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

 

Well that poses a problem. A big one for the Canucks. 

Because if Pettersson is too small to play centre, we end up having 3 top line LWs in the system : Baer, Elias and Dahlen, with only one top level centre (Horvat) between them.

Now, one of those 3 LW/potential LWs is going to be wasted on the third line. 
So it'd seem, we have a very good reason to make Elias stick as a centre-man and if not, trade one of these three to get a top flight centre-man.

 

I'm sure it is still the Canucks' intent to have Pettersson play centre in the NHL although he may initially play on the wing. Prior to the draft the Canucks had brought Pettersson into Vancouver and part of that visit included an assessment from the Canucks' medical and training staff to determine if they believed Pettersson could fill out to a size suitable for playing in the NHL. I believe the results of that assessment were positive or the Canucks would have likely passed on him at the draft.

Your post only mentions LW but he has been primarily a RW so far playing in the SHL.

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12 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Not sure how having "three top-line LWs" could ever be considered a "big problem".  Wish we had 4-5 more of those kind of problems.

The 'Phil Kessel in Toronto' effect. Having three top-line LWs or in this case, potentially 3 top line RWs if Peterson plays RW (it'd be Boeser, Petterrsson and Lind) while having only 1 top line centre, is a big problem. 

 

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49 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

 

Well that poses a problem. A big one for the Canucks. 

Because if Pettersson is too small to play centre, we end up having 3 top line LWs in the system : Baer, Elias and Dahlen, with only one top level centre (Horvat) between them.

Now, one of those 3 LW/potential LWs is going to be wasted on the third line. 
So it'd seem, we have a very good reason to make Elias stick as a centre-man and if not, trade one of these three to get a top flight centre-man.

 

Pettersson is playing RW at the moment. If he doesn’t make it as a C in the NHL I’m sure he would stick at RW.

 

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19 hours ago, Rick Blight said:

You know, I will even give you that one.

In the past 10 drafts (2008 - 2017) the following teams have had the most top 5 picks.

1. Edmonton - 6

2. Islanders - 5

3. Colorado - 4

4. Toronto - 4

5. Florida - 4

6. Winnipeg/Atlanta - 3

7. Columbus - 3

8. Tampa - 3

 

How many Stanley Cups are in there?

That’s a very missleading post skewed by cherry picking numbers though. You include 2017 yet all the players in 2017 have haven’t even been in the league for over 30 games. How are they supposed to win a cup in that time frame. I don’t think anyone expects a team to go from bottom of the league to cup winner over night. So listing the players drafted in in the last few years doesn’t really help the point either. 

 

Pull those same numbers from 2001-10 draft years. 

Only 9 teams had 3 or more top 5 picks and they represent 9 of the last 12 Stanley cups won. 

 

But in the end, Drafting in the top 5 doesn’t guarantee you a cup but it does produce you the highest odds of landing a key piece to building a cup contender.  A peice like Pettersson is the result of a top 5 draft pick. Hes going to be a very important piece for us into turning this team into a cup contender.

 

How many any people here would be willing to replace pettersson with someone taken in the 15-29 range last draft. anyone who would prefer to keep pettersson and is against obtaining top 5 picks is a hypocrite. 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Just want to point out that Morrison was never considered to be a top NHL Center and wasn’t 200lbs but Morrison, Bert and Naslund were dominant until ‘the incident’. 

Kyle Turris reminds me a lot of Morrison. Will never be an elite center, but still a very solid 1st liner in his own right. It helped Morrison that he had 2 of the top 5 wingers in the game on his line. All he had to do was set them up.

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6 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

That’s a very missleading post skewed by cherry picking numbers though. You include 2017 yet all the players in 2017 have haven’t even been in the league for over 30 games. How are they supposed to win a cup in that time frame. I don’t think anyone expects a team to go from bottom of the league to cup winner over night. So listing the players drafted in in the last few years doesn’t really help the point either. 

 

Pull those same numbers from 2001-10 draft years. 

Only 9 teams had 3 or more top 5 picks and they represent 9 of the last 12 Stanley cups won. 

 

But in the end, Drafting in the top 5 doesn’t guarantee you a cup but it does produce you the highest odds of landing a key piece to building a cup contender.  A peice like Pettersson is the result of a top 5 draft pick. Hes going to be a very important piece for us into turning this team into a cup contender.

 

How many any people here would be willing to replace pettersson with someone taken in the 15-29 range last draft. anyone who would prefer to keep pettersson and is against obtaining top 5 picks is a hypocrite. 

 

 

 

18 hours ago, Rick Blight said:

We need to let this go. This is the Elias Pettersson thread and not the tankards thread.

You're not going to drag me back into this.

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29 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

The 'Phil Kessel in Toronto' effect. Having three top-line LWs or in this case, potentially 3 top line RWs if Peterson plays RW (it'd be Boeser, Petterrsson and Lind) while having only 1 top line centre, is a big problem. 

 

At very worst it would be fantastic trade chips to get what you would be looking for. Don't see a problem.

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1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said:

Not sure how having "three top-line LWs" could ever be considered a "big problem".  Wish we had 4-5 more of those kind of problems.

 

1 hour ago, canuckistani said:

The 'Phil Kessel in Toronto' effect. Having three top-line LWs or in this case, potentially 3 top line RWs if Peterson plays RW (it'd be Boeser, Petterrsson and Lind) while having only 1 top line centre, is a big problem. 

 

How much of a problem was it for the Pens when Kessel was playing 3LW on Bones line when they won a Cup?

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1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

What position was pettersson drafted at? I guess drafting top 5 isn’t all that bad. 

Well...if you want to be technical

 

here is a history of NHL draft #s at the 5th seed.  If we're going by historical data we're going to be hoping to Howe that Juolevi and Petterson do in fact pan out lol

 

http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/5th-overall/50509/

 

Although in all honesty it would be serendipitous to see the universe gift the NHL with 2 quality NHL players at the 5 slot as we haven't seen a purely generational talent since Jagr and arguably one of the best since Jagr at 5 is a toss up between Vanek/Wheeler/Kessel and Price

 

Edit** Not to say a Price type player at another position wouldn't be great, but even top 5 in general sure isn't a guarantee but obviously having a solid amount of picks in the top 5 helps :)

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1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

That’s a very missleading post skewed by cherry picking numbers though. You include 2017 yet all the players in 2017 have haven’t even been in the league for over 30 games. How are they supposed to win a cup in that time frame. I don’t think anyone expects a team to go from bottom of the league to cup winner over night. So listing the players drafted in in the last few years doesn’t really help the point either. 

 

Pull those same numbers from 2001-10 draft years. 

Only 9 teams had 3 or more top 5 picks and they represent 9 of the last 12 Stanley cups won. 

 

But in the end, Drafting in the top 5 doesn’t guarantee you a cup but it does produce you the highest odds of landing a key piece to building a cup contender.  A peice like Pettersson is the result of a top 5 draft pick. Hes going to be a very important piece for us into turning this team into a cup contender.

 

How many any people here would be willing to replace pettersson with someone taken in the 15-29 range last draft. anyone who would prefer to keep pettersson and is against obtaining top 5 picks is a hypocrite. 

 

 

Exactly.

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56 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

 

How much of a problem was it for the Pens when Kessel was playing 3LW on Bones line when they won a Cup?

Not very, because they already got a generational talent as 1C and another top-10 guy as 2C. 

Phil Kessel is good for the Pens, but Phil Kessel is also a waste of a talent buried so far down the lineup or atleast, when he is not on the PP with Crosby/Malkin.

 

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5 hours ago, Warhippy said:

3rd line LW while playing behind two top lines anchored by Crosby and Malkin.  

 

4 hours ago, canuckistani said:

Not very, because they already got a generational talent as 1C and another top-10 guy as 2C. 

Phil Kessel is good for the Pens, but Phil Kessel is also a waste of a talent buried so far down the lineup or atleast, when he is not on the PP with Crosby/Malkin.

 

The point is, even if EP plays left wing for the Canucks and bumps Baer down to the third line, having such depth of talent that a Kessel (or a Baer) is playing on your third line is not exactly a recipe for disaster.

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