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3 hours ago, alfstonker said:

Having watched 7 or 8 full games now this is what I have said elsewhere on these boards.

 

"Listed at 6-foot-2 and 165 pounds, he struggles physically and needs to rely entirely on his puck skills. But without the extra room of a man advantage, getting through isn’t easy – and the smaller North American ice surface won’t help."

 

That is a fact and there is no point denying it. In fact the more it is denied the less time and work will be spent correcting and coaching it out of his game.

And i was talking about the article cherry picking on his defensive lapses which is a load of horse $&!#. Most of the time he is solid from the 20 games i watched this year. However, you are right that he needs to gain weight in order to engage better.

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2 hours ago, Ihatetomatoes said:

It's so odd to use a not only a player that played in a completely different era but also the best player of all time by far as a good example as why Pettersson can thrive as a skinny kid.  

 

Also Kane and Gaudreau are absolutely the best of the best when it come to edgework and stickhandling allowing them to play at such small statures.  At least lets use more realistic comparables like the Sedins or Turris,  tall skinny guys that have done well in this era without being absolutely elite skaters like most of the other small players that thrive in the NHL.   

If you watched Gretztky ...at all ....you would see the comparisson.  I personally saw way too much of Gretzky back when he was tooling us big time...

 

EP has some of the same magic...god forbid we end up coaching it out of him by sending him to the AHL to learn how to grind and take a hit....with no-one to pass too....

 

I will say it again EP with out perform Nico H.'s current year ...and he will do it next year...

 

It's a lock people....

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10 minutes ago, Isam said:

And i was talking about the article cherry picking on his defensive lapses which is a load of horse $&!#. Most of the time he is solid from the 20 games i watched this year. However, you are right that he needs to gain weight in order to engage better.

Juolevi weighed around 180 lbs at the end of last season, now he's up to 200 lbs.

 

With the trainers and diets these guys have nowadays it's very possible he could put on 15 lbs over the summer, which would put him at about 180. That's a weight that should allow him to handle the NHL.

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3 hours ago, alfstonker said:

Having watched 7 or 8 full games now this is what I have said elsewhere on these boards.

 

"Listed at 6-foot-2 and 165 pounds, he struggles physically and needs to rely entirely on his puck skills. But without the extra room of a man advantage, getting through isn’t easy – and the smaller North American ice surface won’t help."

 

That is a fact and there is no point denying it. In fact the more it is denied the less time and work will be spent correcting and coaching it out of his game.

...What's a fact...?   that he is 6' 2" ?....that he is 165 Lbs. ?  That he relies on his puck skills ?   And then you want to coach that out of him.....

 

I am very tempted to use a facepalm here....

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1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

With the trainers and diets these guys have nowadays it's very possible he could put on 15 lbs over the summer,

Even an anabolically enhanced individual would be lucky to put on 2-3 pounds of muscle per month. 15 pounds over an off-season wouldn’t be much of a good thing. 

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4 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Juolevi weighed around 180 lbs at the end of last season, now he's up to 200 lbs.

 

With the trainers and diets these guys have nowadays it's very possible he could put on 15 lbs over the summer, which would put him at about 180. That's a weight that should allow him to handle the NHL.

Agree. It would put him close to hischier allowing him to engage more physically with the forwards and d over here. It would be almost beneficial to bring over after his s3ason ends to get to work with our trainers.

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2 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

Even an anabolically enhanced individual would be lucky to put on 2-3 pounds of muscle per month. 15 pounds over an off-season wouldn’t be much of a good thing. 

Players do it all the time.

 

We're also talking about a 19 year old who's going to naturally pack on the lbs anyways.

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4 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Juolevi weighed around 180 lbs at the end of last season, now he's up to 200 lbs.

 

With the trainers and diets these guys have nowadays it's very possible he could put on 15 lbs over the summer, which would put him at about 180. That's a weight that should allow him to handle the NHL.

EP is supposed to be 168 right now...I think he only needs 7 more pounds of muscle to play at a high and safe level in the NHL... at 175 Lbs.

That is almost a given weight gain if he tries at all....

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On 10/02/2018 at 3:31 PM, cory40 said:

EP played fie at center. But with his one timer from the right side it makes sense to have him on the right side. Unbelievable how good his one timer is. Something you want him doing during a game. When he comes to Vancouver he will be as good as player as their is. Franchise players havn't existed since Mario or Wayne. Its pretty sad when we call franchise players a player who is top ten in NHL scoring or wins the scoring race by 3 points. When a player wins it by 30 or 40 then you have a franchise player. McDavid is an elite player. Matthews is an elite player Crosby is an elite player as with many more. Teams hope a franchise player comes their way, but it seldom happens. Then as soon as they get a player whom they dee as a franchise player they over pay them they try to trade them away as soon as they realize that they are just a lil better than the other teams player but not worth 4 million more. Just wait Edmonton will be offering McDavid in a couple years. And my bet is you wouldn't trade EP straight up for him. Both not franchise players. Maybe Subban is a franchise player, Look at how Montreal is doing without him.

Did you just say that McDavid, Matthews, and Crosby are not franchise players but Subban might be? 

A franchise player is someone that you build your franchise around. Nearly every team in the league has a one. We all hope that EP can be franchise player.

Now with that being said I think a generational talent is a totally different thing. There are very few generational players. (one per generation?) Wayne, Mario, Crosby, Ovi? and with this new generation possibly McDavid and Matthews. 

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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

And Horvat did it and he was a beast after.

 

It all depends how and where the muscle is being added.

Have you seen Juolevi? It’s not like he put on nightclub mass, he simply put on mass. 

 

To to put on size EP would have to eat in a caloric surplus. The problem is he’s only capable of utilizing so many calories before he starts storing fat, and the level of surplus he’s in will make no difference with that. Short of anabolic/androgenic steroids you can’t jump the line on muscle gain. If he put on 5-6 pounds of muscle he’d be lucky. 

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4 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

Have you seen Juolevi? It’s not like he put on nightclub mass, he simply put on mass. 

 

To to put on size EP would have to eat in a caloric surplus. The problem is he’s only capable of utilizing so many calories before he starts storing fat, and the level of surplus he’s in will make no difference with that. Short of anabolic/androgenic steroids you can’t jump the line on muscle gain. If he put on 5-6 pounds of muscle he’d be lucky. 

with the way the game is played now, he will be fine.......excel probably.

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Just now, Sean Monahan said:

Which is what I’m thinking. If he only gained say 7 pounds and 4-5 of it was muscle I think he’d look fine and perform great. I’m not concerned with the size. 

agreed.......I think any more than that and it changes his game.

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2 hours ago, alfstonker said:

How many full games have you watched him in Alf?

 

I will repeat Pettersson is nowhere near as shifty as Johnny Gudreau, nor does he play a similar game to Kane - as for WG come on now, apart from being a different era where touching WG lightly on the leg was like booking your taxi to the A&E he was far more adept at dodging checks on a smaller ice against older players, having grown up in Ontario and Toronto Canada playing against bigger Canadian players who play a far heavier game.

 

You also have to remember the average size when Gretzky (160 lbs) came into the NHL was 189lbs.  Pettersson is 165lbs and the average size of a hockey player in the NHL is now over 200lbs.

Anyway stats aside we will just have to wait and see how he copes. However I hope he is being supervised by trainers/nutritionists who are actively helping him to boost his weight/muscle mass for his own sake.

Interesting that several commentators in Europe have directly compared his playing style to Kane in how he can work in such tight spaces.   I don't know about Johnny G (hopefully he is far less selfish with the puck than the diminutive Flame) but the Kane comparisons seem somewhat logical if you watch EP enough and followed Kane at all when he was similar age.

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1 hour ago, RogersTowell said:

The discussion of EP's weight is very reminiscent of similar discussions by leafs fans over Mitch Marner.

And the way Canucks fans talked about Ehlers and Nylander.

 

They only weigh 165 lbs! They would get killed in the western conference! "These smaller players can dominate junior but won't be as effective in the NHL."

 

Pettersson could be playing in the NHL this year and be putting up 50-60 points as a rookie regardless of how much he weighs.

 

 

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